Jose Bautista "I’d like to be a Toronto Blue Jay for life"

[Jimcanuck]

They are already rich. If it's about money then it's only about ego, not about being rich.

 

Silly. There is a yacht with a cost of $1Billion+. Rich folk always need more money for the bigger, better things on their wish list.

[Stangstag]

4-5 years at 14-15m per seems competitive to me.

 

Not close even close dude. Gotta be at least 20 million a year.

[flafson]

Not close even close dude. Gotta be at least 20 million a year.

 

If he wants to stay he will make it work.

Cespedes took a paycut to stay with the Mets after only 3 months there, should be much more compelling for Joey if his comments are genuine.

[crazy47larry]

I think the best most realistic chance for the Jays to keep Jose is to do one of those deferred deals that are all the rage right now. If we can sign him to something like a 4 year $70m deal with, say, $14m deferred I think thats a deal everyone can be happy with. I could even see pushing for $80m if management could defer the difference. I dont know if he could get $20m per season in 2017 dollars but the market is kind of messed up. Sluggers have been severely devalued and pitchers have been cashing in. I think the market will stay that way but it could/should correct itself eventually though.

[Stangstag]

If he wants to stay he will make it work.

Cespedes took a paycut to stay with the Mets after only 3 months there, should be much more compelling for Joey if his comments are genuine.

 

Cespedes did not take a paycut

[Stangstag]

I think the best most realistic chance for the Jays to keep Jose is to do one of those deferred deals that are all the rage right now. If we can sign him to something like a 4 year $70m deal with, say, $14m deferred I think thats a deal everyone can be happy with. I could even see pushing for $80m if management could defer the difference. I dont know if he could get $20m per season in 2017 dollars but the market is kind of messed up. Sluggers have been severely devalued and pitchers have been cashing in. I think the market will stay that way but it could/should correct itself eventually though.

 

Still lowballing. I think discussion STARTS at 4yrs/80mil

[BigCecil]

4-5 years at 14-15m per seems competitive to me.

 

Unless something dramatically changes on a major injury front or the world economy collapses, the FA signing comps don't remotely come close to this AAV for Jose. Its way low.

 

The term is likely.

[Stangstag]

Unless something dramatically changes on a major injury front or the world economy collapses, the FA signing comps don't remotely come close to this AAV for Jose. Its way low.

 

The term is likely.

 

Some people in this thread are quite delusional

[crazy47larry]

Still lowballing. I think discussion STARTS at 4yrs/80mil

 

man thats tough. david ortiz has earned about $15m annually for the last 4-5 seasons (give or take). ortiz is 5 years older than bautista so those are basically the bautista years we are paying for. taking into account 3 things in bautistas favor... 1) bautista plays an actual position 2) ortiz probably left money on the table 3) inflation + baseball revenue increase... do you think that is enough to bump that $15m salary up by 33%? he's also got negatives too. the obvious one being age. say what you will but he's 35 now and 36 next offseason. i am curious to see how many active 35 year old players make $20m and over. does anyone know how to easily find that out?

[flafson]

Cespedes did not take a paycut

 

He is 5 years younger than Bautista, just provided a 6.7WAR season, excellent corner outfielder, 30+ homers power and no qualified offer on him and only signed for a 3 years deal.

I'm sorry but that's a serious pay cut.

[Cyborg]

He is 5 years younger than Bautista, just provided a 6.7WAR season, excellent corner outfielder, 30+ homers power and no qualified offer on him and only signed for a 3 years deal.

I'm sorry but that's a serious pay cut.

 

It can't be a paycut if there were no better offers.

[GD]

He is 5 years younger than Bautista, just provided a 6.7WAR season, excellent corner outfielder, 30+ homers power and no qualified offer on him and only signed for a 3 years deal.

I'm sorry but that's a serious pay cut.

 

It's not really a 3 year deal

[BTS]

He is 5 years younger than Bautista, just provided a 6.7WAR season, excellent corner outfielder, 30+ homers power and no qualified offer on him and only signed for a 3 years deal.

I'm sorry but that's a serious pay cut.

 

Cespedes took the best contract he was offered. 1/27.5 and the option to either re-enter the weakest market in years next offseason or stay on for two more years @ 25M per year is not a bad deal.

[burlingtonbandit]

man thats tough. david ortiz has earned about $15m annually for the last 4-5 seasons (give or take). ortiz is 5 years older than bautista so those are basically the bautista years we are paying for. taking into account 3 things in bautistas favor... 1) bautista plays an actual position 2) ortiz probably left money on the table 3) inflation + baseball revenue increase... do you think that is enough to bump that $15m salary up by 33%? he's also got negatives too. the obvious one being age. say what you will but he's 35 now and 36 next offseason. i am curious to see how many active 35 year old players make $20m and over. does anyone know how to easily find that out?

 

Yeah but if you are looking at the Ortiz contract you have to look at the Cabrera, Cano and Pujols contracts as well. They all are for 24 Million+ and run through their age 40 seasons.

[Stangstag]

man thats tough. david ortiz has earned about $15m annually for the last 4-5 seasons (give or take). ortiz is 5 years older than bautista so those are basically the bautista years we are paying for. taking into account 3 things in bautistas favor... 1) bautista plays an actual position 2) ortiz probably left money on the table 3) inflation + baseball revenue increase... do you think that is enough to bump that $15m salary up by 33%? he's also got negatives too. the obvious one being age. say what you will but he's 35 now and 36 next offseason. i am curious to see how many active 35 year old players make $20m and over. does anyone know how to easily find that out?

 

Bautista is also in much better shape than Ortiz, and he can do more than just swing the bat.

[Jonn]

Bautista is also in much better shape than Ortiz, and he can do more than just swing the bat.

 

Hopefully not in RF for much longer.

[Stangstag]

He is 5 years younger than Bautista, just provided a 6.7WAR season, excellent corner outfielder, 30+ homers power and no qualified offer on him and only signed for a 3 years deal.

I'm sorry but that's a serious pay cut.

 

He put up a career season, and took a 3-year deal at 25 million annually with an opt out after the first year. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that he wants to build/strengthen his value in 2016 and opt-out in the hopes of getting a much larger contract, say 6yrs/130mil. At worst, he bombs in 2016 and then has 2 more years at 25 million to rebuild his value for a big contract after the 2018 season.

 

 

Bautista has been consistently elite for like 5 straight years now. He will get at least 20 million a year, mark my words.

[Stangstag]

Hopefully not in RF for much longer.

 

I would hope that if we re-sign Bautista, it would be contingent on him agreeing to move to 1B/DH with occasional starts in RF.

[Boxcar]

He put up a career season, and took a 3-year deal at 25 million annually with an opt out after the first year. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that he wants to build/strengthen his value in 2016 and opt-out in the hopes of getting a much larger contract, say 6yrs/130mil. At worst, he bombs in 2016 and then has 2 more years at 25 million to rebuild his value for a big contract after the 2018 season.

 

 

Bautista has been consistently elite for like 5 straight years now. He will get at least 20 million a year, mark my words.

 

You're wrong. He loved his half season with the Mets so much that he left a hundred million dollars on the table. Obviously this guy is committed to the fans.

 

E: idk wtf happened there

[Stangstag]

You're wrong. He loved his half season with the Mets so much that he left a hundred million dollars on the table. Obviously this guy is committed to the fans.

 

E: idk wtf happened there

 

Its funny, because Cespedes strikes me as one of the least likely players to take a paycut. Doesn't he have like gold teeth and crap?

[Jimcanuck]

Can't see Jays signing two 1B/DH types for > $20M each.

 

I want EE - younger, should be a bit cheaper, and is comfortable with the DH role. Have a hard time seeing Bautista accepting a DH role.

[crazy47larry]

Bautista is also in much better shape than Ortiz, and he can do more than just swing the bat.

 

better shape or not, its unlikely he ages as gracefully as ortiz has. i am using ortiz as an example because he seems like a best case scenario.

[crazy47larry]

Bautista is also in much better shape than Ortiz, and he can do more than just swing the bat.

 

I would hope that if we re-sign Bautista, it would be contingent on him agreeing to move to 1B/DH with occasional starts in RF.

 

train of thought seems kind of contradictory. how much more can he do with the glove when he's DHing or learning a new position? he has played 26 games at 1B his entire career (1300+ games total). he is not providing positive value with his glove at this point. u maximize him by using him at DH but you don't really maximize the roster by locking him in there. is it trully better to hide him at 1B than his more comfortable RF at this point? i dunno. i'd lean toward keeping him at his more natural RF position though (if he's not DHing of course).

[saskjayfan]

better shape or not, its unlikely he ages as gracefully as ortiz has. i am using ortiz as an example because he seems like a best case scenario.

 

Alex Rodriguez just had a productive year at his age 39 season after having hip surgery and missing an entire year. Age 39 would be Bautista's 4th year of his contract. i don't think Bautista is as big a gamble as some people are making him out to be. He's not a 25 mil aav player, but he's certainly a 20 mil aav player for 4 years.

[Boxcar]

Alex Rodriguez just had a productive year at his age 39 season after having hip surgery and missing an entire year. Age 39 would be Bautista's 4th year of his contract. i don't think Bautista is as big a gamble as some people are making him out to be. He's not a 25 mil aav player, but he's certainly a 20 mil aav player for 4 years.

 

And at 37 he was washed up trash. So are you arguing that a (should be) first ballot hall of farmer's age 39 season is what you can reasonably expect from any good player at age 39?

 

If so, lol

[saskjayfan]

And at 37 he was washed up trash. So are you arguing that a (should be) first ballot hall of farmer's age 39 season is what you can reasonably expect from any good player at age 39?

 

If so, lol

 

I'm saying that a guy who relied on steriods, had hip surgery and missed a year has nothing to do with a the alex rodriguez that played in his early 30s so why are you bringing up the hall of fame. Alex rodriguez obviously has talent, but is not what he once was. Everyone expected nothing out of him prior to last year. He played way better than what everyone expected. He's just the extreme example to highlight why there's no reason to believe Bautista can't play well at age 36 or 37 or 38 or the 39 season that a broken down arod just played at.

[Boxcar]

I'm saying that a guy who relied on steriods, had hip surgery and missed a year has nothing to do with a the alex rodriguez that played in his early 30s so why are you bringing up the hall of fame. Alex rodriguez obviously has talent, but is not what he once was. Everyone expected nothing out of him prior to last year. He played way better than what everyone expected. He's just the extreme example to highlight why there's no reason to believe Bautista can't play well at age 36 or 37 or 38 or the 39 season that a broken down arod season just played at.

 

Do you understand why that is a dangerously optimistic way to think?

[BTS]

I'm saying that a guy who relied on steriods, had hip surgery and missed a year has nothing to do with a the alex rodriguez that played in his early 30s so why are you bringing up the hall of fame. Alex rodriguez obviously has talent, but is not what he once was. Everyone expected nothing out of him prior to last year. He played way better than what everyone expected. He's just the extreme example to highlight why there's no reason to believe Bautista can't play well at age 36 or 37 or 38 or the 39 season that a broken down arod just played at.

 

Now comment on al of the absolute studs that fell off a cliff between 35 and 37. I hope they keep him, but there's inherent risk here.

[glory]

Bautista is going to decline from age 36-39. It's just a matter of how big of a drop it ends up being. The Jays would be taking a huge risk with that contract.

 

You can find exceptions of players who still have elite seasons in their late-30's, but they are exceptions for a reason. The Jays would be taking a chance that Bautista is an exception and not a norm.

[BTS]

Bautista is going to decline from age 36-39. It's just a matter of how big of a drop it ends up being. The Jays would be taking a huge risk with that contract.

 

You can find exceptions of players who still have elite seasons in their late-30's, but they are exceptions for a reason. The Jays would be taking a chance that Bautista is an exception and not a norm.

 

Whay hitters have made it through, say, 37 without a huge decline recently? Ortiz and Bonds. I'm probably missing a few.