Report: Price interested in Cubs; Jays covet Davis

[THANOS]

You almost never see players like Pillar traded. Players with 5 years of control and on rookie contracts coming off a 4 WAR season is extremely valuable to the team and you never would get full value in a trade.

 

That's true, maybe he would demand a better package if he repeated another 4 WAR season, but it's more likely he regresses due to his terrible offensive approach, so it would be smart to sell high this off-season.

[KingKat]

Tulo could likely play an elite 3rd, I think that's a non-issue.

 

a non-issue? The only way Tulo lives up to his contract is IF he plays SS. You want Cleveland to take on that contract and then immediately torpedo his value? Where do you come up with this stuff?

[thatoneguy]

Salazar is not quite as good as Carrasco.

 

He is certainly has some high quality pitches though and is also significantly younger than Cookie. Him + Stroman would make a great tandem at the top of the rotation.

[burlingtonbandit]

That's true, maybe he would demand a better package if he repeated another 4 WAR season, but it's more likely he regresses due to his terrible offensive approach, so it would be smart to sell high this off-season.

 

What is the point of "selling high" if you only get back 75% of his value? I think there is potential in the bat, he looked better in the last couple months. Pillar is the perfect high floor CF the team needs. If you trade him and Pompey falters then you are stuck with no CF which would be a huge risk to take.

 

I hate the notion on here that just because a player had a great season we have to "sell high" and trade them for an outstanding package that might not even exist. Donaldson probably had the best year he will ever have in his career. Should the Blue Jays sell high on him? Of course not.

[Cyborg]

What is the point of "selling high" if you only get back 75% of his value? I think there is potential in the bat, he looked better in the last couple months. Pillar is the perfect high floor CF the team needs. If you trade him and Pompey falters then you are stuck with no CF which would be a huge risk to take.

 

I hate the notion on here that just because a player had a great season we have to "sell high" and trade them for an outstanding package that might not even exist. Donaldson probably had the best year he will ever have in his career. Should the Blue Jays sell high on him? Of course not.

I don't understand why you think you would only get back 75%?

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't understand why you think you would only get back 75%?

 

I probably shouldn't of used a number. Just think that players players with on rookie salaries with long term control rarely get traded anymore. So if you do trade him then you might not get his "full value" back.

[FrozenRopes]

We can all agree we need pitching. Trade or sign but get it done.

[burlingtonbandit]

Going back to 2012 the only player I found to get traded in a similar situation as Pillar was Ben Revere to the Phillies from the Twins. And he didn't have nearly as good of a season as Pillar did.

[Laika]

Going back to 2012 the only player I found to get traded in a similar situation as Pillar was Ben Revere to the Phillies from the Twins. And he didn't have nearly as good of a season as Pillar did.

 

What are your "filters?"

 

The f***ing A's traded Donaldson with four years of control left, coming off of like a 7 win season.

 

Teams trade young, good, controllable players quite often. They don't particularly like to because they recognize the value of them - which is also precisely why Pillar would have good trade value.

 

You're falling into a bit of a WAR trap though, to be honest. War is a descriptive, not a predictive, statistic. Kevin Pillar isn't a 4.3 win player. Illustration: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5223&position=OF#fielding Illustration 2: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2578&position=OF

[burlingtonbandit]

What are your "filters?"

 

The f***ing A's traded Donaldson with four years of control left, coming off of like a 7 win season.

 

Teams trade young, good, controllable players quite often. They don't particularly like to because they recognize the value of them - which is also precisely why Pillar would have good trade value.

 

You're falling into a bit of a WAR trap though, to be honest. War is a descriptive, not a predictive, statistic. Kevin Pillar isn't a 4.3 win player. Illustration: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5223&position=OF#fielding Illustration 2: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2578&position=OF

 

Had up to age 26 so that'd be why I didn't see Donaldson. Still should of realized that though lol. I'd still say players with long term control coming off that good of a season hardly ever get traded. Teams value cheap years of control more than ever now.

 

Obviously Pillar projected to be an annual 4 Win player because of the likelihood of him replicating the defense he produced. Still, I don't see him being traded.

[Frenchsoup]

Had up to age 26 so that'd be why I didn't see Donaldson. Still should of realized that though lol. I'd still say players with long term control coming off that good of a season hardly ever get traded. Teams value cheap years of control more than ever now.

 

Obviously Pillar projected to be an annual 4 Win player because of the likelihood of him replicating the defense he produced. Still, I don't see him being traded.

 

The defense will regress a bit no doubt, he's still a stud defender. The offense is coming along nicely, which most of this board disregards because they see him chase a couple of bad pitches.

[Krylian]

Maybe we should find 8 more Pillar's

[Maahfaace]

The defense will regress a bit no doubt, he's still a stud defender. The offense is coming along nicely, which most of this board disregards because they see him chase a couple of bad pitches.

 

lol, a couple of bad ones eh? The kid makes his mind up hes swinging before the catcher drops a sign to the pitcher, as illustrated by his paltry 4.5% BB rate. He hasnt improved his plate discipline one bit since he's been in the majors, with his only caveat being able to make contact at an elite level even on pitches out of the zone. If he ever does figure it out though, he'd be a solid hitter.

[dineke]

Maybe we should find 8 more Pillar's

 

We would have the most handsome team in the mlb. I could get on board with that.

[Jimcanuck]

Had up to age 26 so that'd be why I didn't see Donaldson. Still should of realized that though lol. I'd still say players with long term control coming off that good of a season hardly ever get traded. Teams value cheap years of control more than ever now.

 

it is quite possible to trade Pillar for cost controlled pitching. always trade from a position of strength to fill weaknesses.

[Frenchsoup]

lol, a couple of bad ones eh? The kid makes his mind up hes swinging before the catcher drops a sign to the pitcher, as illustrated by his paltry 4.5% BB rate. He hasnt improved his plate discipline one bit since he's been in the majors, with his only caveat being able to make contact at an elite level even on pitches out of the zone. If he ever does figure it out though, he'd be a solid hitter.

 

There you go. All Pillar has to do is use the whole field and he should have a .320-.330 babip. He's probably an easy 4 WAR player if he does that.

[burlingtonbandit]

it is quite possible to trade Pillar for cost controlled pitching. always trade from a position of strength to fill weaknesses.

 

I'd rather take the position player. Less injury risk.

[Jimcanuck]

I'd rather take the position player. Less injury risk.

 

Jays need pitching. The injury risk is a given.

[baloojayz]

When Michael Saunders went down in ST (and even in the offseason), we had huge question marks in our outfield, especially LF and CF (we had Pompey back then too). Yet for some reason, after we make the playoffs, many people feel we can trade Revere, Pillar, and move Bautista to 1B.

[Maahfaace]

There you go. All Pillar has to do is use the whole field and he should have a .320-.330 babip. He's probably an easy 4 WAR player if he does that.

 

It has nothing to do with spraying the ball all over the field, he needs to learn to lay off pitches that are terrible, which he's shown no ability to do up to this point in his career.

[mur_phy]

Interesting in all the talk of the composition of the outfield has found nothing mentioned of FA Cespedes. Not sure how his clubhouse demeanor is but certainly has tools that fit with the Jays. Add him along with Chris Davis. Keep Saunders as 4th OF and let Pompey develop.

 

Rogers have good businessmen involved and have seen what a winning team can do for ticket sales and TV viewership and likely will approve a significant growth in payroll even with all the guessing being done on how little it might be. There is a tremendous opportunity right now to put together a major team for some years to come and there are FA pitchers and ones to be traded for that could be great fits with the team. FA's like the idea of being on a potential winner and they certainly can see what is happening in TO.

 

Add Davis + Cespedes and there will be lots of interest. Save the money unless the bank vault really opens and pass on Price. Try to keep Navarro also if possible and it could easily be accomplished as one more years has passed and likely he can't find a full time catching position and may very well enjoy the possibility of actually being able to be in post season and maybe a WS champ.

 

It will be fun to watch what actually happens during the next few months and if the right moves are made be a lot of fun for the season of 2016.

[thatoneguy]

Interesting in all the talk of the composition of the outfield has found nothing mentioned of FA Cespedes. Not sure how his clubhouse demeanor is but certainly has tools that fit with the Jays. Add him along with Chris Davis. Keep Saunders as 4th OF and let Pompey develop.

 

Rogers have good businessmen involved and have seen what a winning team can do for ticket sales and TV viewership and likely will approve a significant growth in payroll even with all the guessing being done on how little it might be. There is a tremendous opportunity right now to put together a major team for some years to come and there are FA pitchers and ones to be traded for that could be great fits with the team. FA's like the idea of being on a potential winner and they certainly can see what is happening in TO.

 

Add Davis + Cespedes and there will be lots of interest. Save the money unless the bank vault really opens and pass on Price. Try to keep Navarro also if possible and it could easily be accomplished as one more years has passed and likely he can't find a full time catching position and may very well enjoy the possibility of actually being able to be in post season and maybe a WS champ.

 

It will be fun to watch what actually happens during the next few months and if the right moves are made be a lot of fun for the season of 2016.

 

Lol why?

 

PITCHING. We need PITCHING.

[nonamejays]

Lol why?

 

PITCHING. We need PITCHING.

 

Because we want multiple games with 20 runs this season, that's why.

[venema20]

Interesting in all the talk of the composition of the outfield has found nothing mentioned of FA Cespedes. Not sure how his clubhouse demeanor is but certainly has tools that fit with the Jays. Add him along with Chris Davis. Keep Saunders as 4th OF and let Pompey develop.

 

Rogers have good businessmen involved and have seen what a winning team can do for ticket sales and TV viewership and likely will approve a significant growth in payroll even with all the guessing being done on how little it might be. There is a tremendous opportunity right now to put together a major team for some years to come and there are FA pitchers and ones to be traded for that could be great fits with the team. FA's like the idea of being on a potential winner and they certainly can see what is happening in TO.

 

Add Davis + Cespedes and there will be lots of interest. Save the money unless the bank vault really opens and pass on Price. Try to keep Navarro also if possible and it could easily be accomplished as one more years has passed and likely he can't find a full time catching position and may very well enjoy the possibility of actually being able to be in post season and maybe a WS champ.

 

It will be fun to watch what actually happens during the next few months and if the right moves are made be a lot of fun for the season of 2016.

 

Davis and Cespedes? What fairytale world are you living in?

[Krylian]

Lol why?

 

PITCHING. We need PITCHING.

 

No pitchers. Just field as team with 24 sluggers and RA Dickey. Have him pitch every inning.

[Boxcar]

Interesting in all the talk of the composition of the outfield has found nothing mentioned of FA Cespedes. Not sure how his clubhouse demeanor is but certainly has tools that fit with the Jays. Add him along with Chris Davis. Keep Saunders as 4th OF and let Pompey develop.

 

Rogers have good businessmen involved and have seen what a winning team can do for ticket sales and TV viewership and likely will approve a significant growth in payroll even with all the guessing being done on how little it might be. There is a tremendous opportunity right now to put together a major team for some years to come and there are FA pitchers and ones to be traded for that could be great fits with the team. FA's like the idea of being on a potential winner and they certainly can see what is happening in TO.

 

Add Davis + Cespedes and there will be lots of interest. Save the money unless the bank vault really opens and pass on Price. Try to keep Navarro also if possible and it could easily be accomplished as one more years has passed and likely he can't find a full time catching position and may very well enjoy the possibility of actually being able to be in post season and maybe a WS champ.

 

It will be fun to watch what actually happens during the next few months and if the right moves are made be a lot of fun for the season of 2016.

 

Cespedes is probably going to cost north of 20 million per year. He has a scary skillset, and is coming off a career year.

 

No thank you.

[Boxcar]

Lol why?

 

PITCHING. We need PITCHING.

 

Investing heavily in pitching almost always ends in regret.

[xposbrad]

No pitchers. Just field as team with 24 sluggers and RA Dickey. Have him pitch every inning.

 

To some posters, you just need to add WAR and it doesn't matter where it comes from lol

[Boxcar]

To some posters, you just need to add WAR and it doesn't matter where it comes from lol

 

The idea is that a team that scores lots of runs depends less on run prevention than a team with a s***** offense. This held true for this team. The idea is that I'd like is invest in an elite defensive RF who can hit (Heyward) and fill in the rotation with the Lackeys, Kennedys, Chens and Hills of the world. That is more than adequate with a lot less risk.

[xposbrad]

The idea is that a team that scores lots of runs depends less on run prevention than a team with a s***** offense. This held true for this team. The idea is that I'd like is invest in an elite defensive RF who can hit (Heyward) and fill in the rotation with the Lackeys, Kennedys, Chens and Hills of the world. That is more than adequate with a lot less risk.

 

I just think of the Rangers in the early 2000s that had amazing hitting but no pitching. There's always a balance. We have plenty of hitting, but we need starting pitching. We had plenty of hitting this year, but we didn't win it all. A lot of things happen in the playoffs that you can't just look at numbers and projections/predictions and say this is things we'll turn out.