Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[2lowitzki]

Tweet from Boston Globe Reporter

If Mark Shapiro wants a build-from-within approach in Toronto with Anthopoulos out, development-oriented Ben Cherington is available.

 

Are you fxxxin kidding me?? He is a guy who messed up the BoSox

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

AA traded two bluechip prospects for a guy that was close to 40 years old.

The Marlins deal, JJ was always a gamble, similar to when AJ Burnett was signed. Of course if he was lights out he could have helped us forget about what a bad trade in was.

AA tried high valued prospects for backloaded free agent contracts that could have been signed in free agency a year earlier.

 

My post was a response to a poster who absolved the Indians decision on signing Swisher and Bourn because their play fell short of expectations, I was trying to use balance saying that AA gets criticism because the play of Dickey and the Ex marlins fell short of expectations.

 

Please do not take my post out of context, in no way do I think they were good trades especially the Dickey one.

[Frenchsoup]

This is a pretty ruthless move by Shapiro.

[admin]

My post was a response to a poster who absolved the Indians decision on signing Swisher and Bourn because their play fell short of expectations, I was trying to use balance saying that AA gets criticism because the play of Dickey and the Ex marlins fell short of expectations.

 

Please do not take my post out of context, in no way do I think they were good trades especially the Dickey one.

My mistake.

[JaysAllMighty]

This is a pretty ruthless move by Shapiro.

 

This is on AA, he turned down the job. Shapiro is the boss.

[fatcowxlive]

Yeah, above average ones for a pretty low payroll. He also would have traded Wells at the peak of his value had he been allowed. Godfrey's meddling was a big reason why JPR ultimately was unsuccessful IMO.

Ricciardi was a good GM. You were like 5 when he left.

 

Overall as a GM he wasn't that good though. His drafting ability was very subpar

 

Riccardi was stubborn and the worst person to give a mic to as you knew he'd say something stupid...but he did a good job at value hunting. He signed Wells to one great extension (and one horrible one, but that was long rumoured to be Godfrey against JP's wishes), and Halladay to two. He flipped an unhappy Glaus for Rolen. Flipped Rolen for Stewart and EE. He was good at making moves and keeping guys around for as long as they were valuable. Completely not a fan friendly GM though. The role he holds with the Mets now is the one that he should have always had.

 

You're right he's good at finding value at cheap prices and building good value clubs, but if you're building a team that way then your drafting game better be good. JP's wasn't. What are the top 3 players he's drafted? Hill, Lind, and Cecil?

 

I was one of the few that always stuck up for JP. He wasn't great, but he wasnt' terrible. When I asked people why they hated him so much, they could never give a solid answer that I couldn't correct them on. Sure he didn't do any big moves, but he didn't make many bad moves either. And I compare him to AA. They both were given a longer leash and some payroll, and they both panicked, and spent it as fast as they could (AA with his terrible Marlins trade). He didn't draft high potential players, he drafted league ready players, that was his philosophy. He drafted Adams, Jenkins Romero, as they were supposed to be able to come up to the Majors very quickly. They weren't expected to be stars, but provide value. Obviously many of them failed. But there was a time, don't quote me on it, that the Jays had more talent coming out of our system than any other team. It wasn't the best system, but wasn't the worst. I think AA did a much better job but JP could have done a lot worse.

Bringing up Trout, drafted at #25, and blaming JP for not drafting him? Really?

 

I agree with your statement, I am going hard at JP but he wasn't too bad but at the same time he wasn't that good too. My problem at drafting players that 'provide value' is it never worked out for him in the 8 years he was there. Especially with like 6 of the 8 drafts were top 15 picks you'd expect for him to have changed his philosophy a little bit. I think JPR was just mediocre. Nothing too special, he was good at some things but he was lacking in other things. IMO AA did a much better job, especially when it came to drafting.

[Grant77]

Tweet from Boston Globe Reporter

If Mark Shapiro wants a build-from-within approach in Toronto with Anthopoulos out, development-oriented Ben Cherington is available.

 

Are you fxxxin kidding me?? He is a guy who messed up the BoSox

 

I don't say this to criticize the move with AA and Shapiro, but it's hard to imagine any established executive wanting to come here. The couple of times that I have been recruited for jobs, I ask around to see how employees are treated and the answers from Toronto certainly won't be positive. My guess is we get someone inexperienced or someone from within the organization to act as a puppet for contract negotiations and things of that nature.

[BTS]

I don't say this to criticize the move with AA and Shapiro, but it's hard to imagine any established executive wanting to come here. The couple of times that I have been recruited for jobs, I ask around to see how employees are treated and the answers from Toronto certainly won't be positive. My guess is we get someone inexperienced or someone from within the organization to act as a puppet for contract negotiations and things of that nature.

 

I get this impression too. This is Shapiro's show, and I think it will be an inexperienced hire who will have very little autonomy.

[Grant77]

This is on AA, he turned down the job. Shapiro is the boss.

 

It seems extremely unlikely that he was 'offered the job'. He was offered a significant demotion with the same title. You always see GM's step down and remain in an advisory role, but we all know they were fired.

[fatcowxlive]

The Ryan signing and his draft record were both awful, granted.

 

Rios put on waivers was a dumb move too

[fatcowxlive]

I get this impression too. This is Shapiro's show, and I think it will be an inexperienced hire who will have very little autonomy.

 

I think with that Tinnish might have a shot at becoming GM. Would be a good hire IMO

[admin]

I agree with your statement, I am going hard at JP but he wasn't too bad but at the same time he wasn't that good too. My problem at drafting players that 'provide value' is it never worked out for him in the 8 years he was there. Especially with like 6 of the 8 drafts were top 15 picks you'd expect for him to have changed his philosophy a little bit. I think JPR was just mediocre. Nothing too special, he was good at some things but he was lacking in other things. IMO AA did a much better job, especially when it came to drafting.

 

Yeah it wasn't the best philosophy, but at the same time, look att he top 15 picks of any draft and look how they turned out. You get maybe two guys that turn into something. Look at Jenkins draft, aside from Trout, there's been very little return on anyone drafted after him. It's still early but no one has really stood out.

[BlueJayWay]

Rogers never fails to screw up and disappoint.

[Travis_Snider]

Anthopoulos to hold media conference call at 1 p.m

[admin]

Shapiro mad he traded for Price and not Carrasco. Teach him a lesson!

[fatcowxlive]

Anthopoulos to hold media conference call at 1 p.m

 

Its confirmed to be AA? I stepped away from the radio but last I heard they have no idea who it was and were speculating it was Beeston and Shapiro lol

[Grant77]

Interesting question posed on the radio. If Rogers starts negotiating with Shapiro in September instead of April or May (presumably), do they still give him the autonomy to make this decision? Do they even hire him?

[Travis_Snider]

Its confirmed to be AA? I stepped away from the radio but last I heard they have no idea who it was and were speculating it was Beeston and Shapiro lol

 

John Lott tweeted it, not sure lol

[fatcowxlive]

Interesting question posed on the radio. If Rogers starts negotiating with Shapiro in September instead of April or May (presumably), do they still give him the autonomy to make this decision? Do they even hire him?

 

I don't think that would have changed at all with the negotiation of him or anyone else. If you're hiring Shapiro you know that he's going to take more power from AA which will result in AA leaving. If they told him "We're offering you a position but you have to give AA the same power he has right now" he probably wouldn't have signed up

[TheHurl]

Interesting question posed on the radio. If Rogers starts negotiating with Shapiro in September instead of April or May (presumably), do they still give him the autonomy to make this decision? Do they even hire him?

 

I think there was some damage done before the Shapiro hiring but that probably could have been salvaged. I think if Shapiro was not hired that AA would be handed President and Tinnish would be GM

[Trouba95]

Gotta hope this doesn't mark the start of a full-fledged rebuild. I hate Rogers!

[fatcowxlive]

I think there was some damage done before the Shapiro hiring but that probably could have been salvaged. I think if Shapiro was not hired that AA would be handed President and Tinnish would be GM

 

Do you think this is still a possibility? Shapiro probably wants to hire someone who doesn't have too much experience and will let Shapiro have a lot of control. Tinnish fits that bill. Plus he's been with this organization for a while.

[BTS]

Do you think this is still a possibility? Shapiro probably wants to hire someone who doesn't have too much experience and will let Shapiro have a lot of control. Tinnish fits that bill. Plus he's been with this organization for a while.

 

He'll probably just pluck Cleveland's version of Tinnish, whoever that might be.

[BigCecil]

I get this impression too. This is Shapiro's show, and I think it will be an inexperienced hire who will have very little autonomy.

 

I have no problem with this. Shapiro is pissing in all four corners and will put his mark on this org. Lets hope he does a good job.

 

AA's choice to leave and I don't blame him. No hard feelings.

[glory]

Shapiro with a top 10 payroll vs. Shapiro with a bottom 10 payroll might yield completely different results. At least we know his philosophy is sound. Just need to execute it properly.

 

I guess those who hate Sanchez will get their wish. Can't see a saber friendly team valuing him at all.

[Krylian]

I have no problem with this. Shapiro is pissing in all four corners and will put his mark on this org. Lets hope he does a good job.

 

AA's choice to leave and I don't blame him. No hard feelings.

 

He has every right to do that as a President. It's a ballsy move...and he's basically putting a bullseye on himself before he has even started his first day.

 

If success continues, everyone will forget pretty quickly. But we all know perfectly well that anything...ANYTHING doesn't go the Jays way...ie. Price signing elsewhere...Estrada going elsewhere...not landing a big arm to replace Price...any FA that slips through our fingers...any dip in performance next year...any mediocre draft picks...any prospects halting their development...and it's gonna be a "This wouldn't have happened under AA" kind of thing...

[fatcowxlive]

He'll probably just pluck Cleveland's version of Tinnish, whoever that might be.

 

lol poor Tinnish. Hurl mentioned Derek Falvey who's Cleveland's new Assistant GM (apparently hired out of school by Shapiro) and Indians beat writer Paul Hoynes said he has a 'hunch' that Indians director of player personnel, Ross Atkins, would be an option too. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

 

I just hope that Tito exercises his opt-out and signs here, I like Gibbons as a person but Tito is light years ahead as a manager.

[BigCecil]

He has every right to do that as a President. It's a ballsy move...and he's basically putting a bullseye on himself before he has even started his first day.

 

If success continues, everyone will forget pretty quickly. But we all know perfectly well that anything...ANYTHING doesn't go the Jays way...ie. Price signing elsewhere...Estrada going elsewhere...not landing a big arm to replace Price...any FA that slips through our fingers...any dip in performance next year...any mediocre draft picks...any prospects halting their development...and it's gonna be a "This wouldn't have happened under AA" kind of thing...

 

1000% agree. Ballsy as hell and I like it whatever happens. He isn't stupid and knows he just took it all on himself.

[admin]

My biggest concern is the drafting and draft strategies. AA built a great farm, depleted it, but built a great one. But I think more credit is due to Tinnish LaCava and the rest of the guys below. So hopefully for the most part that remains the same. With what those guys have done, it would be stupid to try and remove them or let them walk

[BTS]

I'm really looking forward to information on payroll. Would Shapiro have come here without an indication that he'd have better support than he did in Cleveland? I doubt it.