Offseason Roster Thread

DuckDuckGose · December 18, 2015

That's the one. And no, that doesn't look very impressive. My point was that Ortiz could easily have smashed that ball 500 feet (but probably guessed fastball) and no one would have made a GIF. The drop was not very impressive and there was very little horizontal movement PLUS that ball is right in Ortiz's wheelhouse.

Ya, but he wasn't expecting it at all and it just catches the plate. If Ortiz is sitting CB then he crushes that pitch

Governator · December 18, 2015

Bob McCowan has to stfu and accept Shapiro. I usually like candid talk, but he sounds like the city's biggest cry baby *******.

All he has to say is omg look at his win loss record, Shapiro is such a loser. So sick of him.

z3r0s · December 18, 2015

Bob McCowan has to stfu and accept Shapiro. I usually like candid talk, but he sounds like the city's biggest cry baby *******.

All he has to say is omg look at his win loss record, Shapiro is such a loser. So sick of him.

That and, 'why couldn't he bring people out to the park!'

THANOS · December 18, 2015

Bob McCowan has to stfu and accept Shapiro. I usually like candid talk, but he sounds like the city's biggest cry baby *******.

All he has to say is omg look at his win loss record, Shapiro is such a loser. So sick of him.

I've felt bad for Arash in that roundtable. It seems he's the only sensible one, arguing with a table of buffoons. When Bob was arguing that Shapiro never won anything in Cleveland, Arash called him on it and sited that Cleveland has been to the playoffs under Shapiro's watch with that low payroll. Bob argued that it's only been once, and Arash countered with, "how many times has Alex got the Jays to the playoffs, with this payroll?". Bob then changed the subject..

Swervin81 · December 18, 2015

I can see not-Fausto Carmona (aka Hernandez) getting the long man role and Hutch in AAA to start.

Spanky99 · December 18, 2015

I've felt bad for Arash in that roundtable. It seems he's the only sensible one, arguing with a table of buffoons. When Bob was arguing that Shapiro never won anything in Cleveland, Arash called him on it and sited that Cleveland has been to the playoffs under Shapiro's watch with that low payroll. Bob argued that it's only been once, and Arash countered with, "how many times has Alex got the Jays to the playoffs, with this payroll?". Bob then changed the subject..

Excellent point, Bobcat is so subjective to show he's always right, others whom do this is, Don Cherry and Gregg Zaun, etc, etc, because it's SUBJECTIVE!!!

Spanky99 · December 18, 2015

Well played... lol.

Inklink · December 19, 2015

Ziggyy108 · December 19, 2015

It's absolutely hilarious to listen to grown ass men like Grange and such get bullied on mocked on the regular by Bob McCowan.

Every single one of them just f***ing takes it. None of them ever have the balls to stand up for themselves or argue with that old man.

Spanky99 · December 19, 2015

Kinda funny one of Shapiro's biggest problems was our AAA rotation was empty and then he just signs a bunch of trash in one day to fill it. I'm not saying there was any alternative. But this is what it was always going to be. You just dig in a dumpster and find guys for AAA.

When you have parameters that are apparent, I think he has done well.

SAAviour · December 19, 2015

Brad penny as a one inning reliever could work...maybe...possibly....right???

Abomination · December 19, 2015

Brad penny as a one inning reliever could work...maybe...possibly....right???

I'd have to think it's at least worth exploring. A fastball in the mid to upper 90's combined with that good changeup could work well.

glory · December 19, 2015

Brad penny as a one inning reliever could work...maybe...possibly....right???

I read he's still throwing 94, so maybe. Give it a shot. Worst case he eats up innings in AAA.

Hernandez might be a decent long relief option if Hutchison goes down to AAA and Chavez remains the 5th starter.

Thomas Malthus · December 19, 2015

So I guess Sanchez and Osuna won't be stretching out in AAA. I know some on here said that they'd like that while others said that whatever you're going to do with them you should do it at the major level. Looks like they'll be kept in the same roles or as starters in the majors?

L54 · December 19, 2015

They'll both be in the pen and that's where they should be. Sanchez should never start for this team and AA made the bed for Shaprio with Osuna.

SAAviour · December 19, 2015

With what relievers are getting paid these days I'm fine with those two in the pen.

KingKat · December 19, 2015

There might be benefits to Sanchez and Osuna as starters long term but we don't know for sure how that would work out and 2016 is the last Bautista/EE year. I don't think the team has the option of moving contributing players back down to the minors to experiment with them when this could very well be the last year for this lineup.

Jimcanuck · December 19, 2015

There might be benefits to Sanchez and Osuna as starters long term but we don't know for sure how that would work out and 2016 is the last Bautista/EE year. I don't think the team has the option of moving contributing players back down to the minors to experiment with them when this could very well be the last year for this lineup.

Yes. Although long term they should be starters, I doubt the Jays waste 2016 arm mileage of two of their better relievers in Buffalo.

glory · December 19, 2015

AA was so terrible with prospects, which is a shame because his scouting team was pretty good at identifying them. Strapping a rocket to Sanchez's ass and rocketing him from Double A to the Majors (with a stop in AAA) in 2014 when nothing in his performance proved worthy of it was ridiculous. Now he hasn't developed as a starter and isn't even a great reliever. Then Osuna gets the A-ball to MLB jump when he lacked innings to begin with and now has to stay in the pen because he likely won't be able to last even 1/2 of a season as a starter due to his innings. Now the Jays pretty much have to use them in relief, short and possibly long term.

Grant77 · December 19, 2015

AA was so terrible with prospects, which is a shame because his scouting team was pretty good at identifying them. Strapping a rocket to Sanchez's ass and rocketing him from Double A to the Majors (with a stop in AAA) in 2014 when nothing in his performance proved worthy of it was ridiculous. Now he hasn't developed as a starter and isn't even a great reliever. Then Osuna gets the A-ball to MLB jump when he lacked innings to begin with and now has to stay in the pen because he likely won't be able to last even 1/2 of a season as a starter due to his innings. Now the Jays pretty much have to use them in relief, short and possibly long term.

Sanchez is really pretty great as a reliever. Even those who don't like him can admit that. Enough strikeouts, not many walks, and a ton of groundballs.

BTS · December 19, 2015

Sanchez is really pretty great as a reliever. Even those who don't like him can admit that. Enough strikeouts, not many walks, and a ton of groundballs.

He looks like a Brad Ziegler clone as a reliever. Below-average K-rate, tons of ground balls, and possibly some FIP-beating skills maybe. Not what we all hoped for when he was coming up, but a reliable 1-win reliever isn't a terrible outcome. I'd just leave him there.

BigCecil · December 19, 2015

Sanchez is really pretty great as a reliever. Even those who don't like him can admit that. Enough strikeouts, not many walks, and a ton of groundballs.

He is ok but his numbers against LHH will keep him from becoming an arm I like to see in high leverage. Ok with him staying in the pen.

Boxcar · December 19, 2015

He is ok but his numbers against LHH will keep him from becoming an arm I like to see in high leverage. Ok with him staying in the pen.

I agree with this. I really don't mind having a guy like Sanchez in the pen but it sucks when your manager is too stupid to use him properly.

Atothe · December 19, 2015

I agree with this. I really don't mind having a guy like Sanchez in the pen but it sucks when your manager is too stupid to use him properly.

We can agree on two things. Sanchez is very limited and Gibby has been exposed as a bullpen manager the past few years.

BigCecil · December 19, 2015

I agree with this. I really don't mind having a guy like Sanchez in the pen but it sucks when your manager is too stupid to use him properly.

Biggest complaint I had all year against Gibby was his over reliance on Sanchez and under utilization of Hendriks. I think it was a concern shared by many.

glory · December 19, 2015

Even if Osuna was only going to throw 100 IP in 2015 had he stayed in the minors, it would have been fine as long as he was an SP for those innings. He was only 20. There was no rush to bring him up and he could have worked on his secondary stuff during that time. Give him 100 IP in 2015, bump that up in 2016, and then maybe by 2017 he would have been a legit rotation option at age 22 if all went well. Worst case, they could have always turned him into a reliever anyway down the road. Now they have no choice. They won't demote him as he's a cheap bullpen piece which they lack, an option of his has already been burned, and his service clock has started. There was no reason to put Osuna in this position. Very short-sighted of AA.

Sanchez is a reliever based on his current skill set, and I think he's a reliever long-term if he doesn't develop a plus 2nd pitch and improve his control, but I'm not that impressed with him as a reliever ATM. Granted, some of that could be because of the way he was used as others have mentioned. Bringing him into games with runners on base and less than 2 outs is basically handing the other team a run since the ball has a high percentage of being put in play. Gibbons being a moron should not be held against Sanchez. However, we're still looking at a guy with a decent/not spectacular K rate and so far a heavy platoon split. Even as a reliever he needs to improve. The potential is there. I just wish he would have spent 2014 and possibly 2015 in the minors as a starter so he maybe could have developed something down there. He has a great fastball and his GB rates are excellent, but he's not a finished product, and unfortunately he may not have time to develop into one given the team's current needs.

Terminator · December 19, 2015

So possible AAA rotation:

Hernandez
Diamond
Penny
Copeland
Leblanc

Dat scrap heap.

I'd like to see Hutch in there instead and perhaps Hernandez or Penny in the bullpen as the longman. If we grab another longman which I would prefer I wouldn't mind trying out Penny in a one inning relief role.

Terminator · December 19, 2015

That Hernandez signing isn't half bad. He projects to be a half win player next year in just 21 starts. That's actually a nice little improvement over whoever else was supposed to be our 7th starter.

eastcoastjaysfan · December 19, 2015

Carmona still induces groundballs like a boss. Throw in the apparent slower turf/elite defense in JD, Tulo, and Goins/Travis and we might have a useful pitcher next year.

burlingtonbandit · December 19, 2015

Interesting that Hernandez gets 1.25 Million and up to 2 Million total with incentives if he makes the team. Opt out on March 28. Wonder if they'll put him in the bullpen and see if the stuff players a bit better. He's always had a substantial platoon split so might be better in the pen.