Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Laika]

Listening to the mlb pipeline and they did some off the cuff rankings of the NL and AL east farm systems. We were 5th ahead of the yanks and red sox. Kind of surprising.

 

The impression im getting from a lot of different prospect guys is that they seem to like whatÂ’s coming up from A ball and below.

 

makes sense

 

phillies and braves are not good

 

toronto is clearly worse than baltimore, tampa bay, washington

 

prooooobably worse than the yankees IMO but I dunno, maybe not. kind of just a middle tier that is five teams thick if you are only thinking of the 10 teams in the east divisions.

[Laika]

Listening to the mlb pipeline and they did some off the cuff rankings of the NL and AL east farm systems. We were 5th ahead of the yanks and red sox. Kind of surprising.

 

The impression im getting from a lot of different prospect guys is that they seem to like whatÂ’s coming up from A ball and below.

 

makes sense

 

phillies and braves are not good

 

toronto is clearly worse than baltimore, tampa bay, washington

 

prooooobably worse than the yankees IMO but I dunno, maybe not. kind of just a middle tier that is five teams thick if you are only thinking of the 10 teams in the east divisions.

[Spanky__99]

Listening to the mlb pipeline and they did some off the cuff rankings of the NL and AL east farm systems. We were 5th ahead of the yanks and red sox. Kind of surprising.

 

The impression im getting from a lot of different prospect guys is that they seem to like whatÂ’s coming up from A ball and below.

 

Is this what you're talking about, seems right? https://www.mlb.com/news/pipeline-podcast-american-league-east-national-league-east-farm-systems?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

[Dagagad]

Is this what you're talking about, seems right? https://www.mlb.com/news/pipeline-podcast-american-league-east-national-league-east-farm-systems?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

 

Yup, that’s it.

[Dagagad]

makes sense

 

phillies and braves are not good

 

toronto is clearly worse than baltimore, tampa bay, washington

 

prooooobably worse than the yankees IMO but I dunno, maybe not. kind of just a middle tier that is five teams thick if you are only thinking of the 10 teams in the east divisions.

 

Yea, it seems like they have us, the yanks and red sox, and mets in a middle group after those three.

[Grant77]

Listening to the mlb pipeline and they did some off the cuff rankings of the NL and AL east farm systems. We were 5th ahead of the yanks and red sox. Kind of surprising.

 

The impression im getting from a lot of different prospect guys is that they seem to like whatÂ’s coming up from A ball and below.

 

Boston has a better top end with Mayer, Casas, and Rafaela, but their depth is pretty awful. They might have the worst pitching prospects in baseball.

 

New York has better high end prospects and better depth than us in my opinion, but I can understand the argument for the Jays.

[Dagagad]

Boston has a better top end with Mayer, Casas, and Rafaela, but their depth is pretty awful. They might have the worst pitching prospects in baseball.

 

New York has better high end prospects and better depth than us in my opinion, but I can understand the argument for the Jays.

 

I fully expected the yankees to be above us

[Daniel Labude]

 

Rank Name

1 Ricky Tiedemann

2 Orelvis Martinez

3 Brandon Barriera

4 Addison Barger

5 Gabriel Martinez

6 Rainer Nunez

7 Damiano Palmegiani

8 Yosver Zulueta

9 Nate Pearson

10 Enmanuel Bonilla

11 Dahian Santos

12 Manuel Beltre

13 Tucker Toman

14 Adam Macko

15 Cade Doughty

16 Josh Kasevich

17 Spencer Horwitz

18 Dasan Brown

19 Alex De Jesus

20 Leo Jimenez

21 Estiven Machado

22 Sem Robberse

23 Eric Pardinho

24 Miguel Hiraldo

25 Adrian Pinto

26 Hagen Danner

27 Adrian Hernandez

28 T.J. Brock

29 Cristian Feliz

30 CJ Van Eyk

31 Yhoangel Aponte

32 Yeuni Munoz

33 Hayden Juenger

34 Irv Carter

35 Luis Meza

36 Rafael Ohashi

37 Robert Robertis

38 Nolan Perry

39 Chad Dallas

40 Kendry Rojas

 

Top 15 writeups

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KRBWRfm2fYC_SsyeNrwtmf2Cn18ga7hxoTecnzwhe4A/edit?usp=drivesdk

[Spanky__99]

lol

[Spanky__99]

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Rank Name

1 Ricky Tiedemann

2 Orelvis Martinez

3 Brandon Barriera

4 Addison Barger

5 Gabriel Martinez

6 Rainer Nunez

7 Damiano Palmegiani

8 Yosver Zulueta

9 Nate Pearson

10 Enmanuel Bonilla

11 Dahian Santos

12 Manuel Beltre

13 Tucker Toman

14 Adam Macko

15 Cade Doughty

16 Josh Kasevich

17 Spencer Horwitz

18 Dasan Brown

19 Alex De Jesus

20 Leo Jimenez

21 Estiven Machado

22 Sem Robberse

23 Eric Pardinho

24 Miguel Hiraldo

25 Adrian Pinto

26 Hagen Danner

27 Adrian Hernandez

28 T.J. Brock

29 Cristian Feliz

30 CJ Van Eyk

31 Yhoangel Aponte

32 Yeuni Munoz

33 Hayden Juenger

34 Irv Carter

35 Luis Meza

36 Rafael Ohashi

37 Robert Robertis

38 Nolan Perry

39 Chad Dallas

40 Kendry Rojas

 

Top 15 writeups

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KRBWRfm2fYC_SsyeNrwtmf2Cn18ga7hxoTecnzwhe4A/edit?usp=drivesdk

 

Terrible try?

[Daniel Labude]

Terrible try?

 

Its my rankings on the Jays prospects from a fantasy centric viewpoint with writeups on the top 15. You don't have to read it if you don't want to

[WryNGinger]

Terrible try?

 

Dude...he put some effort in and is allowed his opinion on a Blue Jay's discussion board. Better than many around here. (me included...lol)

 

Don't be a dick spanky.

 

edit...do emojis work for anyone here? Tried to put in laughing emoji and it came up as question mark symbols...oy vey...

[Spanky__99]

Dude...he put some effort in and is allowed his opinion on a Blue Jay's discussion board. Better than many around here. (me included...lol)

 

Don't be a dick spanky.

 

edit...do emojis work for anyone here? Tried to put in laughing emoji and it came up as question mark symbols...oy vey...

 

lol... I like LTBF, just busting balls, mate!

[Krylian]

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Rank Name

1 Ricky Tiedemann

2 Orelvis Martinez

3 Brandon Barriera

4 Addison Barger

5 Gabriel Martinez

6 Rainer Nunez

7 Damiano Palmegiani

8 Yosver Zulueta

9 Nate Pearson

10 Enmanuel Bonilla

11 Dahian Santos

12 Manuel Beltre

13 Tucker Toman

14 Adam Macko

15 Cade Doughty

16 Josh Kasevich

17 Spencer Horwitz

18 Dasan Brown

19 Alex De Jesus

20 Leo Jimenez

21 Estiven Machado

22 Sem Robberse

23 Eric Pardinho

24 Miguel Hiraldo

25 Adrian Pinto

26 Hagen Danner

27 Adrian Hernandez

28 T.J. Brock

29 Cristian Feliz

30 CJ Van Eyk

31 Yhoangel Aponte

32 Yeuni Munoz

33 Hayden Juenger

34 Irv Carter

35 Luis Meza

36 Rafael Ohashi

37 Robert Robertis

38 Nolan Perry

39 Chad Dallas

40 Kendry Rojas

 

Top 15 writeups

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KRBWRfm2fYC_SsyeNrwtmf2Cn18ga7hxoTecnzwhe4A/edit?usp=drivesdk

 

Not as high on Zulueta as most others?

[Grant77]

Not as high on Zulueta as most others?

 

Seeing Zulueta behind Palmegiani and Nunez, both of whom probably aren't even in our top 20, was the first thing that stood out to me.

 

It seems that he's more concerned with raw statistics than age/level. I'm not saying that's wrong, but you see it reflected in several ratings.

[Krylian]

Seeing Zulueta behind Palmegiani and Nunez, both of whom probably aren't even in our top 20, was the first thing that stood out to me.

 

It seems that he's more concerned with raw statistics than age/level. I'm not saying that's wrong, but you see it reflected in several ratings.

 

Tucker Toman at 13 was another one that I found interesting.

[Grant77]

Tucker Toman at 13 was another one that I found interesting.

 

I try to be more open minded about recent draftees, but it's certainly lower than most people have him.

[Terminator]

Its my rankings on the Jays prospects from a fantasy centric viewpoint with writeups on the top 15. You don't have to read it if you don't want to

 

Love the aggressive ranking with Orelvis considering this is a fantasy writeup. The bar to be fantasy relevant is so much higher than being big league relevant and he has a chance to be a 30 homer guy with SS eligibility.

[Daniel Labude]

Not as high on Zulueta as most others?

Yes and no. I think he is Pearson at this point. Back end reliever most likely

Seeing Zulueta behind Palmegiani and Nunez, both of whom probably aren't even in our top 20, was the first thing that stood out to me.

 

It seems that he's more concerned with raw statistics than age/level. I'm not saying that's wrong, but you see it reflected in several ratings.

 

Actually age/level is a big factor.

 

I think Rainer and Palmegiani are extremely undervalued compared to what they have done and what they can do.

 

Tucker Toman at 13 was another one that I found interesting.

 

Toman has big potential and can move quickly up. Along with Santos, Macko, Doughty, Brown, and De Jesus I think. I think right now all have a lot of questions. Biggest thing I see with Toman is the difference between his LH swing and his RH swing. The RH one needs a lot of work I think. Love that he is a switch hitter though

 

In fantasy I think its a fine line between age/level, actual numbers, underlying numbers, statcast, projection

[Spanky__99]

lol... settle down bro.

[Ray]

Baseball-America Farm System Rankings came out the other day. Anybody mind posting them?

[Olerud363]

Its my rankings on the Jays prospects from a fantasy centric viewpoint with writeups on the top 15. You don't have to read it if you don't want to

 

Interesting that you have Barger and Damiano Palmegiani higher than most.

 

Is that stats based or watching them?

 

Barger had great stats last year, on the surface Palmegiani did not. However I saw a while ago a projection system had him already at 100+ wRC in the majors. A couple of guys rolled their eyes at that because he just hit .239 in the minors at age 23. Though he has good walk rates and some power so maybe the projection system is picking up something (k/bb may be better than Barger, don't have time to look it up right now)

[Daniel Labude]

Interesting that you have Barger and Damiano Palmegiani higher than most.

 

Is that stats based or watching them?

 

Barger had great stats last year, on the surface Palmegiani did not. However I saw a while ago a projection system had him already at 100+ wRC in the majors. A couple of guys rolled their eyes at that because he just hit .239 in the minors at age 23. Though he has good walk rates and some power so maybe the projection system is picking up something (k/bb may be better than Barger, don't have time to look it up right now)

 

From stats and watching

 

So 5 sites I just looked at have Barger 2, 2, 4, 4, 4, 6. So avg just better than 4th. I'm actually a little lower than that. His swing to me is more of a Bo Bichette violent swing and Biggio's overly high launch angle and upper cut. Should be a great low ball hitter, but seems he could be bad in the upper part of the zone. That hole and possible platoon risk have me down at 4 for him. I think he becomes more of a full utility type of bat, but 2B could be his down the line. More of a needing to show more confirmation of the changes he made and that he can do it vs good pitchig consistently. I really didnt like his AZ Fall league numbers, but SSS. The big shift is whether he keeps his K% under 30% or goes back up over 30%

 

With Palmegiani, this is part of what I have in his writeup

 

Damiano was an above average player at A Ball (141 wRC+) and A+ (116 wRC+) as a 22 year old. Damanio paired good exit velocities (87.4 avg and 109.2 max) at Dunedin with great launch angles (18 degrees) to help produce his home runs. The drop off between A and A+ production was fueled by an abnormally low BABIP (0.239) given the rest of his metrics remained relatively the same including his BB%, K%, LD%, GB%, FB%, and hits to pull, center, and oppo

 

Pretty much everything was the same between A and A+ except the BABIP, which I think is more of a clear bad luck type scenario

 

Just naturally if Palmegiani continues with the 10+ BB% and 20 K%, the ability to hit the ball hard and often should see his AVG come up

 

I think the biggest difference I had from most was Rainer Nunez. Most have him unranked or sub 25th

[Spanky__99]

Baseball-America Farm System Rankings came out the other day. Anybody mind posting them?

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/5548-Official-MiLB-Prospects-Thread?p=1675569&viewfull=1#post1675569

[Daniel Labude]

From stats and watching

 

So 5 sites I just looked at have Barger 2, 2, 4, 4, 4, 6. So avg just better than 4th. I'm actually a little lower than that. His swing to me is more of a Bo Bichette violent swing and Biggio's overly high launch angle and upper cut. Should be a great low ball hitter, but seems he could be bad in the upper part of the zone. That hole and possible platoon risk have me down at 4 for him. I think he becomes more of a full utility type of bat, but 2B could be his down the line. More of a needing to show more confirmation of the changes he made and that he can do it vs good pitchig consistently. I really didnt like his AZ Fall league numbers, but SSS. The big shift is whether he keeps his K% under 30% or goes back up over 30%

 

With Palmegiani, this is part of what I have in his writeup

 

Damiano was an above average player at A Ball (141 wRC+) and A+ (116 wRC+) as a 22 year old. Damanio paired good exit velocities (87.4 avg and 109.2 max) at Dunedin with great launch angles (18 degrees) to help produce his home runs. The drop off between A and A+ production was fueled by an abnormally low BABIP (0.239) given the rest of his metrics remained relatively the same including his BB%, K%, LD%, GB%, FB%, and hits to pull, center, and oppo

 

Pretty much everything was the same between A and A+ except the BABIP, which I think is more of a clear bad luck type scenario

 

Just naturally if Palmegiani continues with the 10+ BB% and 20 K%, the ability to hit the ball hard and often should see his AVG come up

 

I think the biggest difference I had from most was Rainer Nunez. Most have him unranked or sub 25th

 

More of why I like Rainer so much lol

 

[Eat My Shatkins]

I know it's just spring training but FU Rays!

[Laika]

Gotta admit, Rainer Nunez looks "hitterish"

 

Maybe the hit tool is good enough to carry him, despite being a RBH 1B without good K-BB numbers.

 

His DOWL performance was no joke, given his age. At 21 he was the 7th youngest hitter down there and he outperformed tons of big league veterans.

The only players down there under 24 years old with a better OPS were Oneil Cruz, Ronny Mauricio, and Elly De La Cruz and they are all top 100 prospects. But they also ALL K'd more often than Nunez in the DOWL.

 

Rowdy Tellez in 2015 between A and A+

.289/.347/.454

103 games, 38 walks, 84 Ks

 

Nunez 2022 in A and A+

.304/.340/.484

121 games, 24 walks, 109 Ks

 

It's like if late career Salvador Perez was re-born as a 1B prospect.

 

He was a year older than Rowdy. But, Nunez also lost a critical development year to the Covid season so that kind of cancels out?

[Laika]

 

rainer nunez vs sal perez

[Terminator]

Nunez doesn't really look like a 1B only guy to me but I'm basing that entirely on that video and the fact that he's played some 3B before.

 

Can he really not play LF or RF?

[Terminator]

 

rainer nunez vs sal perez

 

He looks a little more thin today than he does in that picture above.