2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[Orgfiller]

1. Henderson

2. Dimmagio

3. Bonds

4. Ruth

5. Aaron

6. Williams

7. Griffey Jr

8. Gehrig

9. Trout

 

Bench: Musial, Cobb, Thomas (pinch hitter only), Mays (defensive replacement only)

 

Wat

 

Willie Mays is a starter without a doubt. 3rd in career WAR...

[TilsonBritoFan]

1. Henderson

2. Dimmagio

3. Bonds

4. Ruth

5. Aaron

6. Williams

7. Griffey Jr

8. Gehrig

9. Trout

 

Bench: Musial, Cobb, Thomas (pinch hitter only), Mays (defensive replacement only)

 

Nice lineup but Mantle over Thomas on your bench. Also Miggy on the bench too. He'll go down as an all time great.

[TilsonBritoFan]

Bonds is the greatest ever, Griffey jr doesn't hold a candle to him

 

Not arguing your first point, but your second point is a bannable offense.

[Angrioter]

U trolling us, bro?

 

Nobody thinks he was. In his prime though, he wasn't much different than Mike Trout. Definitely not overrated...

 

The fans always compared Bonds and Griffey, but.................. Bonds was in another level.

[TilsonBritoFan]

Nobody said he wasn't great but he doesn't belong with those other names.

He sure does bud.

[jays_fever]

Wat

 

Willie Mays is a starter without a doubt. 3rd in career WAR...

 

lol Willie Mays is arguably the greatest player of all time. I know people will say Ruth this and Ruth that, Wille Mays actually competed against athletes, not drunken slobs

[TilsonBritoFan]

The fans always compared Bonds and Griffey, but.................. Bonds was in another level.

 

He was hall of fame calibre before roids, after roids he became greatest ever.

 

How good would griffey have been if he took same stuff as Barry? Griffey had better early career numbers...

[GD]

lol Willie Mays is arguably the greatest player of all time. I know people will say Ruth this and Ruth that, Wille Mays actually competed against athletes, not drunken slobs

 

don't talk about Hurl that way

 

Anyone who says Griffey isn't one of the best can fysmc

[reedjohnsonfan]

Also there's a *slight* problem that my lineup is pretty much all outfielders. That team could use Jeter. At 2B. LOL

 

I prefer Hornsby for 2B

[Angrioter]

U trolling us, bro?

 

He was hall of fame calibre before roids, after roids he became greatest ever.

 

How good would griffey have been if he took same stuff as Barry? Griffey had better early career numbers...

 

Best 5 season before 1999 fWAR

Griffey (9.7, 9, 8.4, 6.9, 6.6) = 8.1 fWAR avg

Bonds (10.5, 9.9, 9.6, 9.2, 8.9) = 9.6 fWAR avg

[GD]

Catcher hasn't had as much premium talent as other positions. Probably has to be Bench or Piazza though. Maybe in a decade and change it'll be Posey

[Dr. Dinger]

Griffey averaged 6 WAR for like a decade in his prime, with a couple 9s mixed in there. Unless you're calling him the greatest player of his generation, you're not overrating him.

[Angrioter]

Catcher hasn't had as much premium talent as other positions. Probably has to be Bench or Piazza though. Maybe in a decade and change it'll be Posey

 

Or Mike Trout.

 

oWAR 10 - dWAR 3 = 7 fWAR

[Angrioter]

Griffey averaged 6 WAR for like a decade in his prime, with a couple 9s mixed in there. Unless you're calling him the greatest player of his generation, you're not overrating him.

 

Is it fair compare him to Bonds?

[Atothe]

He was hall of fame calibre before roids, after roids he became greatest ever.

 

How good would griffey have been if he took same stuff as Barry? Griffey had better early career numbers...

 

How do you know he didn't?

[Atothe]

Griffey averaged 6 WAR for like a decade in his prime, with a couple 9s mixed in there. Unless you're calling him the greatest player of his generation, you're not overrating him.

 

People argue he's right up there with Willie Mays

[Atothe]

Why are there so many outfielders in this lineup? Gotta get guys like Honus Wagner and A-Rod in there.

 

Miggy probably doesn't make the team off the bench. Not a better hitter than guys like Jimmie Foxx, Mark McGwire, Tris Speaker.

 

At this point its pretty obvious he's a better player then McGwire

[z3r0s]

Ted Williams is a f***ing boss. I just wanted to a plug in for him with all the other discussion.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Catcher hasn't had as much premium talent as other positions. Probably has to be Bench or Piazza though. Maybe in a decade and change it'll be Posey

 

That's a really great point. If you were to go by fangraphs WAR, Jason Kendall is a top 25 catcher of all time!

[Orgfiller]

At this point its pretty obvious he's a better player then McGwire

 

It's arguable, Miggy has a slightly lower career wRC+. At their best McGwire is probably the better hitter, with a lot more power.

[Atothe]

That's a really great point. If you were to go by fangraphs WAR, Jason Kendall is a top 25 catcher of all time!

 

Is that a surprise to you? Kendall was truly a unique player

[Atothe]

It's arguable, Miggy has a slightly lower career wRC+. At their best McGwire is probably the better hitter, with a lot more power.

 

wRC+ takes into account run environment correct?

[GD]

wRC+ takes into account run environment correct?

 

yes

[Orgfiller]

wRC+ takes into account run environment correct?

 

Yes, it's park and league adjusted, so even if the offensive environment was more prevalent in McGwire's era, he was still that much better than league average.

[Atothe]

Is Miggy a better hitter if he sustains it over a period of 15 years as opposed to 12 full seasons?

[Atothe]

At his best McGwire hit 70 dingers while walking in nearly a quarter of his plate appearances. Take a seat, Miggy.

 

Excellent point

[reedjohnsonfan]

Is that a surprise to you? Kendall was truly a unique player

 

It is a surprise. When you think of hall of fame catchers, not too many guys come to mind. I never realized that.

[Laika]

It is a surprise. When you think of hall of fame catchers, not too many guys come to mind. I never realized that.

 

super hard to have a long and productive career behind the dish!

 

s***, Brian McCann is the 32nd best C in history. Russell Martin is 34th! They are both better ranked as catchers than Delgado and Giambi rank as 1B (and they still have plenty of time to add WAR).

 

Really when you compare careers with WAR, you sort of have to give catchers another positional adjustment... maybe. arguably.

[Atothe]

It is a surprise. When you think of hall of fame catchers, not too many guys come to mind. I never realized that.

 

lived in the shadow of Piazza, Posada and Varitek

[TilsonBritoFan]

Best 5 season before 1999 fWAR

Griffey (9.7, 9, 8.4, 6.9, 6.6) = 8.1 fWAR avg

Bonds (10.5, 9.9, 9.6, 9.2, 8.9) = 9.6 fWAR avg

 

They didnt both start in the same year so don't just pick 1999, it gives more Bonds seasons to cherry pick from.

 

Either way I'm not debating you on Bonds being better. You're the one saying Griffey doesn't even come close which is just ridiculous. We are talking about the 2 greatest OF of the 80's/90's.

 

They were both unbelievable. Bonds was a bit better.