2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[Daniel Labude]

Of course you'd send Stroman the other way. The point of contention is what other players they'd want.

 

Lol

[Cbert]

Cleveland is generally a pretty good org. If they're trading Carrasco it's probably going to be for a huge haul.

 

Well I feel like the Donaldson trade is a good comparable (though I don't know which FO would be considered the better at trade acquisition), but that trade came out of nowhere and netted us a guy who competes for the AL MVP. Now that trade costed us our starting 3B basemen at the time, which would probably mean Cleveland would go a similar route and ask for someone like Stroman. I absolutely would not do that, but do you think something like Hoffman, Norris and Pompey would go ignored by Cleveland? Seems like a pretty strong offer.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Starting Marwin Gonzalez every day at SS is the kind of poor planning that costs you a playoff spot and moving Correa is the type of move that gets a GM fired

 

Leap who said anything about starting Marwin at ss

[RealAccountant]

Why don't we trade Bautista and Encarnacion and such now and maybe we will get the next carrasco in return or the next Archer

 

These two's values will decline now.

[Cbert]

Sorry, no. Forgot to write Stroman in that list, lol.

 

I included him as part of my 4/5 controllable starters in the rotation, just left him off the list.

[BTS]

Lol

 

Are you in here arguing that Stroman is not significantly less valuable than Carrasco?

[DuckDuckGose]

Puig available "at the right price".

 

 

Puig + Seager please.

[BTS]

Well I feel like the Donaldson trade is a good comparable (though I don't know which FO would be considered the better at trade acquisition), but that trade came out of nowhere and netted us a guy who competes for the AL MVP. Now that trade costed us our starting 3B basemen at the time, which would probably mean Cleveland would go a similar route and ask for someone like Stroman. I absolutely would not do that, but do you think something like Hoffman, Norris and Pompey would go ignored by Cleveland? Seems like a pretty strong offer.

 

I think that's a pretty weak offer. Hoffman and Norris are showing huge red flags right now. I imagine that Cleveland probably wanted Stroman or Travis as the centerpiece, and then a prospect or two added. They have no real reason to move Carrasco now, so they'd have to be blown away.

[glory]

I just don't see what the Jays could offer Cleveland w/o Stroman involved that would entice them to trade Carrasco. If the Jays had a blue chip hitting prospect, then I could see it, but they don't, unless the Indians love Pompey. I think Davidi is full of s*** when he says it was close.

[ElNik2013]

Of course you'd send Stroman the other way. The point of contention is what other players they'd want.

 

 

Speak for yourself, although I do understand that Cleveland would ask for the moon. No doubt Carrasco has been great the last 2 years, but prior to that doesn't seem like he was that great and is 28.

[BTS]

Speak for yourself, although I do understand that Cleveland would ask for the moon. No doubt Carrasco has been great the last 2 years, but prior to that doesn't seem like he was that great and is 28.

 

You could say the same about Kluber. And Keuchel. No real reason to think all three aren't legit aces at this point. Things change.

[DuckDuckGose]

Are you in here arguing that Stroman is not significantly less valuable than Carrasco?

 

Stroman + 2 very good prospects (Sanchez + Alford?) and you'd be bidding against a bunch of other teams at that point.

[BTS]

Stroman + 2 very good prospects (Sanchez + Alford?) and you'd be bidding against a bunch of other teams at that point.

 

Yeah, I imagine that's more or less what the ask was. Probably more.

[DuckDuckGose]

Yeah, I imagine that's more or less what the ask was. Probably more.

 

And taking Swisher's contact

[ElNik2013]

You could say the same about Kluber. And Keuchel. No real reason to think all three aren't legit aces at this point. Things change.

 

 

What do you think of Stroman's performance last year? Is it comparable to Carrasco's 2014? If so, I just don't see the point of adding anything freakin' Travis who's at 2.3 WAR so far. Carrasco is at 2.7.

 

Regardless, I agree that Cleveland would and should ask for the moon. Just doesn't make sense for Jays.

[BTS]

What do you think of Stroman's performance last year? Is it comparable to Carrasco's 2014? If so, I just don't see the point of adding anything freakin' Travis who's at 2.3 WAR so far. Carrasco is at 2.7.

 

Regardless, I agree that Cleveland would and should ask for the moon. Just doesn't make sense for Jays.

 

Stroman's 130 innings of major league time are less impressive than what Carrasco has done over 250 innings in the last two years. And then you consider that Carrasco is healthy this year. That's huge. That's like 2 wins over Stroman in a year where two wins might matter. Given that Carrasco is actually controllable for 5.5 years, the age difference is immaterial to me. I don't care about 6 years down the road, and I'd prefer to have Carrasco for the next 5.5.

[Cbert]

I think that's a pretty weak offer. Hoffman and Norris are showing huge red flags right now. I imagine that Cleveland probably wanted Stroman or Travis as the centerpiece, and then a prospect or two added. They have no real reason to move Carrasco now, so they'd have to be blown away.

 

I agree that Cleveland probably did ask for one of those guys, and luckily AA said no. Red flags are definitely popping up with Norris, but I think he's still got quite a bit of value. I know Hoffman's K rate is down right now, but he's working his way back from TJ. The progress seems to be pretty good so far, so I'd hope teams would see him as having a lot of value still. My original suggestion may not be enough, but would Cleveland go for a package with one or two elite prospects or four or more solid prospects? Toronto seems to have a lot of solid prospects, but not really any elite.

[ElNik2013]

Stroman's 130 innings of major league time are less impressive than what Carrasco has done over 250 innings in the last two years. And then you consider that Carrasco is healthy this year. That's huge. That's like 2 wins over Stroman in a year where two wins might matter. Given that Carrasco is actually controllable for 5.5 years, the age difference is immaterial to me. I don't care about 6 years down the road, and I'd prefer to have Carrasco for the next 5.5.

 

 

So we'll agree to disagree. I did ask about Stroman vs Carrasco in 2014. I guess we'll find out next year if Stroman's 2014 was a fluke. I won't even get into adding Travis. Fair to say you were/are not high on Travis at all and so far been wrong?

[BTS]

So we'll agree to disagree. I did ask about Stroman vs Carrasco in 2014. I guess we'll find out next year if Stroman's 2014 was a fluke. I won't even get into adding Travis. Fair to say you were/are not high on Travis at all and so far been wrong?

 

I never said I'd trade Stroman and Travis for him. I wouldn't.

[ElNik2013]

I never said I'd trade Stroman and Travis for him. I wouldn't.

 

 

Fair enough. Basically, as I said above, I can see why Cleveland would ask for the moon, just not a match with Blue Jays.

[saskjayfan]

Stroman's 130 innings of major league time are less impressive than what Carrasco has done over 250 innings in the last two years. And then you consider that Carrasco is healthy this year. That's huge. That's like 2 wins over Stroman in a year where two wins might matter. Given that Carrasco is actually controllable for 5.5 years, the age difference is immaterial to me. I don't care about 6 years down the road, and I'd prefer to have Carrasco for the next 5.5.

 

so you're not the least bit concerned about Carrasco's arm injuries? Sometimes pitchers pitch until they are 38 with tremendous success, sometimes they verlander or CC sebathia out and are done at 30 or 31. Maybe the age difference isn't immaterial to all gms..

[BTS]

so you're not the least bit concerned about Carrasco's arm injuries? Sometimes pitchers pitch until they are 38 with tremendous success, sometimes they verlander or CC sebathia out and are done at 30 or 31. Maybe the age difference isn't immaterial to all gms..

 

That's kind of what I was getting at when I said I didn't care that Carrasco was 5 years older than Stroman. We'd have both for the next 5 years at a palatable price, and aside from the 100% certainty that Carrasco is healthier now, I don't have any information that one is more likely than the other to be healthy over the rest of that 5 year span.

[RealAccountant]

Why would the Indians want Travis, they have a better second baseman under control for the next five years

 

This is why Davidi and company tweeting that Jays almost acquired Carrasco is so hard to believe. Really what do we have to offer the Indians. Why exactly would they want a package built around Stroman, when they already have the ace Stroman can only hope to be. So why exactly would they do it? For Norris, well they already have 3 aces. They can acquire a couple of average pitchers, they dont need frontline pitchers. Which leaves offsense. Since Travis is staying put, what can the Jays offer. Donaldson? Indians wouldn't want Bautista or Encarnacion or Reyes, Maybe Pillar, but Pillar would only be the 2nd or 3rd piece.

 

Really if you seriously think about it there is no conversation between Indians and Jays. The whole thing is f***ing manufactured bullcrap, Unless it was Donaldson who AA was offering.

 

Its stupid there isn't enough for Indians and Jays to talk about.

[Caper]

Ok how about this.

 

To Toronto.

Carrasco

 

To Cleveland

Ezequiel Carrera

Chris Colabello

Matt Boyd

Scott Copeland

Chad Jenkins

Roemon Fields

Taylor Cole

Jonathan Diaz

Andy Burns

J.D. Davis

Dickie Joe Thon

Brady Dragmire

Ryan McBroom

Dawel Lugo

DJ McKnight

Dalton Rodriguez

Earl Burl III

Evan Smith

Jose Nova

Osman Gutierrez

Anderson Green

Jesus Navarro

 

That's one guy for like 22 guys. How could they say no to that?

[Caper]

Wtf

[Mikeleelop]

How about Tulo?..

[RealAccountant]

Lol anyone have a picture of Jesus Navarro.

[TheHurl]

I happen to have heard a juicy rumour tonight. The Jays have inquired about Dan Haren. He is actually free of payroll as the Dodgers are paying 100% of it, so it fits the Jays M.O. perfectly. Chase dat ERA and Vetrin Presents AA

[RealAccountant]

I happen to have heard a juicy rumour tonight. The Jays have inquired about Dan Haren. He is actually free of payroll as the Dodgers are paying 100% of it, so it fits the Jays M.O. perfectly. Chase dat ERA and Vetrin Presents AA

 

I bet on Indians, they better win now.

[baloojayz]

Nice pick up on Tulo. Hope he has healthy years in front of him.