Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

TIL walking 3 guys in 6 innings is something to be applauded.

 

Why do you fools have to make it SO difficult to cheer for particular players on the Bluejays? You're so quiet on guys like Goins, who you were defending vigorously with chest beating and all (turns out you were incredibly wrong - shocker) so quiet on Arencibia and now Sanchez is showing signs of maybe becoming a poor man's Jarred Cosart and you're rubbing it in the face of people who never made a definitive judgment in the first place? NO one said Aaron Sanchez is guaranteed garbage, NO one said that it is impossible he will become a somewhat valuable starting pitcher. They said "all signs point to Sanchez being one of the worst pitchers in baseball" or "Sanchez's past would indicate he's probably not going to continue pitching with a low ERA going forward" and all of those things still hold true. The only people making definitive claims (with heaping amounts of ignorance on the side) are you and your ill-educated ilk.

 

What the f*** is wrong with you?

 

This I just do not get

 

Why is it so difficult to cheer for YOUR team's players...... because you disagree with some people on an internet forum

 

What type of person/fan does it make you...

 

Someone who wants to be proved correct on an internet forum more than you want your team and its players being successful?

 

To quote 'What the F**k is wrong with YOU!'

[theblujay]

This I just do not get

 

Why is it so difficult to cheer for YOUR team's players...... because you disagree with some people on an internet forum

 

What type of person/fan does it make you...

 

Someone who wants to be proved correct on an internet forum more than you want your team and its players being successful?

 

To quote 'What the F**k is wrong with YOU!'

 

The answer is not a Blue Jays fan

[Caper]

Well, not much aside from the fact that he belongs in AA

 

His bat belongs in AA. His glove is one of the best in the Majors. With a team that can afford a bad bat, it's a perfect fit.

[Caper]

I follow the real minds in the game. Guys like Ron Washington or Hawk Harrelson.

[Atothe]

I follow the real minds in the game. Guys like Ron Washington or Hawk Harrelson.

 

To the IL you go

[GD]

His bat belongs in AA. His glove is one of the best in the Majors. With a team that can afford a bad bat, it's a perfect fit.

 

You don't just "afford" a bad bat. Offense is exponential.

 

Not getting into the rest of the Goins debate

[Spanky99]

I'm just happy Sanchize is trending in the right direction...the continuous bumping of this thread is mildly retarded, well, unless you have aspergers or are autistic like Tercet and dumnuck, seems to be.

[Orgfiller]

rt^^^

 

I hope he can get the K's back up a little bit now, the 0 walks in 8 innings are fantastic to see. Maybe there was something to the whole "competitive walks" thing lol

 

The Astros did have quite a few competitive 3-0 swings though lol.

[RealAccountant]

Where is BTS? No sign of him for the last few days

[theblujay]

Where is BTS? No sign of him for the last few days

 

4 game win streak...obviously he's MIA

[burlingtonbandit]

Where is BTS? No sign of him for the last few days

 

Could be, you know, enjoying life. Its almost summer time and lots of people like to go outside, take vacations etc..

[Boxcar]

This I just do not get

 

Why is it so difficult to cheer for YOUR team's players...... because you disagree with some people on an internet forum

 

What type of person/fan does it make you...

 

Someone who wants to be proved correct on an internet forum more than you want your team and its players being successful?

 

To quote 'What the F**k is wrong with YOU!'

 

Because when they get lucky but perform shittily, numb nuts like theblujay wet themselves. So you do some wet blanketing because, surprise, luck exists in baseball independently of skill. So now they think every time Sanchez improves, they have to "call people out" on stuff they never said or implied in the first place. For example, Sanchez goes six, walks 4, strikes out 3 gives up 1 ER. That is a shitacular start that was almost pure luck, but dumbasses see "Earned Runs" and "Wins" are indicators of skill, which is incorrect. Argument ensues and they get a bug up their asses, so every time Sanchez doesn't pitch terribly this thread gets bumped by the moron brigade.

 

Most hilariously, even though they were of course wrong about Ryan Goins since they judged him to be an average big league player after a 2 week BABIP fueled, unsustainable hot streak, they still maintain he belongs in the majors...for some reason.

[Captain Adama]

Because when they get lucky but perform shittily, numb nuts like theblujay wet themselves. So you do some wet blanketing because, surprise, luck exists in baseball independently of skill. So now they think every time Sanchez improves, they have to "call people out" on stuff they never said or implied in the first place. For example, Sanchez goes six, walks 4, strikes out 3 gives up 1 ER. That is a shitacular start that was almost pure luck, but dumbasses see "Earned Runs" and "Wins" are indicators of skill, which is incorrect. Argument ensues and they get a bug up their asses, so every time Sanchez doesn't pitch terribly this thread gets bumped by the moron brigade.

 

Most hilariously, even though they were of course wrong about Ryan Goins since they judged him to be an average big league player after a 2 week BABIP fueled, unsustainable hot streak, they still maintain he belongs in the majors...for some reason.

 

....and are now doing the same with Chris Colabello.

[Boxcar]

.468 BABIP Colabello, who projects as a replacement level player ROS?

[MunenoriKawasakiMVP]

Everybody need to stop with bushleague stats such as BABIP and FIP. As far as I'm concerned, Aaron Sanchez, right now, looks like a pitcher with solid control and a sinker that is Tim Hudson esque. A number 2 potential (maybe number 1 if he can find a wipeout pitch against lefties) and is a number 3-4 pitcher right now. And Collabello is hitting a bit over his head but this is what happens when you hit solid line drives like he does.

[Boxcar]

Everybody need to stop with bushleague stats such as BABIP and FIP. As far as I'm concerned, Aaron Sanchez, right now, looks like a pitcher with solid control and a sinker that is Tim Hudson esque. A number 2 potential (maybe number 1 if he can find a wipeout pitch against lefties) and is a number 3-4 pitcher right now. And Collabello is hitting a bit over his head but this is what happens when you hit solid line drives like he does.

 

^ Exactly what I was referring to

[Orgfiller]

^ Exactly what I was referring to

 

Easily a troll.

[Boxcar]

Easily a troll.

 

Was thinking that, but you never know these days. It took a long time and then therapy to accept that theblujay is not a troll.

[RealAccountant]

.468 BABIP Colabello, who projects as a replacement level player ROS?

 

Projections are not reality.

[saskjayfan]

Was thinking that, but you never know these days. It took a long time and then therapy to accept that theblujay is not a troll.

 

so when discussing Sanchez is fip and xfip the only numbers that matter? Should one ignore his ground ball rate, or line drive rate?

[theblujay]

so when discussing Sanchez is fip and xfip the only numbers that matter? Should one ignore his ground ball rate, or line drive rate?

 

Nah only FIP, since it's the worst. His XFIP is too similar to Estrada's who's the best option by far!!

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

Because when they get lucky but perform shittily, numb nuts like theblujay wet themselves. So you do some wet blanketing because, surprise, luck exists in baseball independently of skill. So now they think every time Sanchez improves, they have to "call people out" on stuff they never said or implied in the first place. For example, Sanchez goes six, walks 4, strikes out 3 gives up 1 ER. That is a shitacular start that was almost pure luck, but dumbasses see "Earned Runs" and "Wins" are indicators of skill, which is incorrect. Argument ensues and they get a bug up their asses, so every time Sanchez doesn't pitch terribly this thread gets bumped by the moron brigade.

 

Most hilariously, even though they were of course wrong about Ryan Goins since they judged him to be an average big league player after a 2 week BABIP fueled, unsustainable hot streak, they still maintain he belongs in the majors...for some reason.

 

Again, you seem to find it hilarious that Goins 'hot streak' didn't continue so some posters could be proved wrong. smh

 

Re. this thread I suggest you take a look back after his poorer starts, and i'm sure you will find plenty of 'I told you so' posts from the other side of the fence. Didn't tercet once post before the first inning was through.

 

Surely all fans want their teams to succeed over points scoring on an internet forum.

[ScientificReason]

Just checking in to see if Tercet had a total meltdown yet?

[ScientificReason]

Because when they get lucky but perform shittily, numb nuts like theblujay wet themselves. So you do some wet blanketing because, surprise, luck exists in baseball independently of skill. So now they think every time Sanchez improves, they have to "call people out" on stuff they never said or implied in the first place. For example, Sanchez goes six, walks 4, strikes out 3 gives up 1 ER. That is a shitacular start that was almost pure luck, but dumbasses see "Earned Runs" and "Wins" are indicators of skill, which is incorrect. Argument ensues and they get a bug up their asses, so every time Sanchez doesn't pitch terribly this thread gets bumped by the moron brigade.

 

Most hilariously, even though they were of course wrong about Ryan Goins since they judged him to be an average big league player after a 2 week BABIP fueled, unsustainable hot streak, they still maintain he belongs in the majors...for some reason.

 

You're posts are consistently garbage and are all about" I told you so". and making broad generalizations about a group of posters, a troll basically.. Can you prove it is the same posters posting the things you arer saying? I await your research.

[Captain Adama]

Again, you seem to find it hilarious that Goins 'hot streak' didn't continue so some posters could be proved wrong. smh

 

Re. this thread I suggest you take a look back after his poorer starts, and i'm sure you will find plenty of 'I told you so' posts from the other side of the fence. Didn't tercet once post before the first inning was through.

 

Surely all fans want their teams to succeed over points scoring on an internet forum.

 

People found it hilarious that people thought Goins' hot streak would continue even though his offensive history and his stats screamed otherwise. Not the other way around.

 

Sure, I bet that almost everyone wants to see Street Fighter Sanchez shoot Hadoken's that no one can hit perfectly aimed into teacups. But there's a thing such as being realistic. If he stops walking people, and we'll go from there.

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

You can't lump Tercet in with us. Boxcar wants Sanchez and Goins to succeed and so do I. That sentiment has been well-documented.

 

We are all Blue Jays fans (even BTS) and are not explicitly trying to score points; the more informed fans are simply trying to help the Sanchez and Goins believers understand the game better. It's a beautiful game.

 

Boxcar's recent posts suggest differently, finding the ending of Goins 'hot streak' to be hilarious for example.

 

As a relative newbie to the sport myself but not the field of statistics. I find it bizarre why any fan finds it difficult to cheer for their own club's players.

 

They are our players they may be poor but surely we should want them to succeed, if they wear our logo I can't understand why any fan would find any solace in their failings never mind hilarity.

[Caper]

You don't just "afford" a bad bat. Offense is exponential.

 

Not getting into the rest of the Goins debate

 

Sure you do. The same as if you afford Batista's sub bar right field defense for his great offense. It's about trade offs. Goins you trade his s***** bat for his great defense, with the assumption, you can still put enough runs on the board to beat your opponent. Mind you, with Goins it only makes a bench player. But his D is so good I believe he deserves a spot on the team... and as long as the rest of the lineup is good, I have no problem seeing him in there.

[GD]

Sure you do. The same as if you afford Batista's sub bar right field defense for his great offense. It's about trade offs. Goins you trade his s***** bat for his great defense, with the assumption, you can still put enough runs on the board to beat your opponent. Mind you, with Goins it only makes a bench player. But his D is so good I believe he deserves a spot on the team... and as long as the rest of the lineup is good, I have no problem seeing him in there.

 

Offense and defense are very different. You can only make 3 positive contributions (outs) on defense per half inning, but on offense, you can continue, theoretically, infinitely, provided you don't make 3 outs. There's no limit, so you want as many good hitters as possible. Hope I'm explaining this well, it's really JFaS' point and he originally explained it far better than I have.

 

As well, it's not really about trade offs; baseball is a zero-sum game. Some players' s***** defense outweighs the fantastic offense, and vice versa. You don't just tolerate one side of the coin for the other; you look at it as a lump-sum, and it is what it is.

[Boxcar]

so when discussing Sanchez is fip and xfip the only numbers that matter? Should one ignore his ground ball rate, or line drive rate?

 

Those are accounted for.

[Caper]

Offense and defense are very different. You can only make 3 positive contributions (outs) on defense per half inning, but on offense, you can continue, theoretically, infinitely, provided you don't make 3 outs. There's no limit, so you want as many good hitters as possible. Hope I'm explaining this well, it's really JFaS' point and he originally explained it far better than I have.

 

I get what you are saying. But there is something I think is wrong with that analysis, that I can't put my finger on. When you say you can only make 3 positive contributions per inning as oppose to offense where you can potentially make infinite contributions... isn't another way of saying that (and making the 3 outs on defense sound more important) that by making those 3 outs you are potentially stopping an infinite offense?