Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[KingKat]

 

Gibbons being let off the hook by people here because "all managers are equally bad" is so false.

 

They are not equally bad. Many are worse. I think there are probably more worse ones than better ones but that doesn't make him exactly "good". He might be above average but he's far, far from being above criticism. Tactically I like Gibbons more than Farrell or Cito but his thinking is still kind of antiquated. He understands the basics of Earl Weaver baseball, platoon advantages, big ball better than small ball, that sort of thing but he doesn't apply those principles consistently. His lineups are mostly good but then he does weird stuff like fetishizing Navarro's bat and he doesn't seem to have a good grasp on run prevention at all. He's very unimaginative on that side of the ball. There's more to run prevention than just assigning bullpen roles. Pitch tendencies, park factors, defense and leverage all matter and don't seem to factor too much in his thinking. The fact that he's probably not even assigning his overly rigid bullpen roles optimally doesn't help either. I vaguely remember the bullpen being an issue in first tenure as well but I guess may of us started to look at his tenure with rose-tinted glasses because unlike Cito, he was at least pro-active with pitching changes. His reputation kind of grew and grew from there until he developed this reputation as a perfect manager of bullpens, a reputation he only gained retro-actively. Much like Cito's second tenure and Beaston's second tenure, Gibbons second tenure has exposed a lot of overlooked flaws.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Damn do I ever love Mark Buehrle.

 

If Mark Retires this year, does anyone think he would be up to being a Roving pitching Instructor for the Jays?

 

Kids are going to respect and listen to him, Papa buehrle!

 

And the s*** he could teach would be valuable as well to helping launch careers as pitches!

[Nafro]

MB's also got the whole rubber arm thing going for him. Aren't his mechanics basically ideal as well?

 

I think it has to do with keeping his walks down, as well as holding runners on and picking runners off if they do reach first. These along with being a fifth infielder have all helped.

 

Anyone believe that Buehrle has been instrumental in Estrada's success? Marco has a fabulous change up, I think he would benefit from MB's perspective.

[DuckDuckGose]

If Mark Retires this year, does anyone think he would be up to being a Roving pitching Instructor for the Jays?

 

Kids are going to respect and listen to him, Papa buehrle!

 

And the s*** he could teach would be valuable as well to helping launch careers as pitches!

 

If Buehrle wants a coaching gig he'll have his pick of all 30 MLB teams. He could coach for the Jays but it's unlikely

[GD]

Buehrle's defense and holding runners are very important yeah, absolutely.

[RealAccountant]

Elite Reliever

[HERPDERP]

Fun fact:

 

Ever since Aaron Sanchez returned to the bullpen on July 25, he has walked a total of 1 batter.

 

ONE batter.

 

That is one batter in roughly 14 2/3 innings, or 16 appearances. In that same time frame, he has K'd 11.

[FFantasy]

Fun fact:

 

Ever since Aaron Sanchez returned to the bullpen on July 25, he has walked a total of 1 batter.

 

ONE batter.

 

That is one batter in roughly 14 2/3 innings, or 16 appearances. In that same time frame, he has K'd 11.

 

The dude belongs in the pen, obvious is obvious.

[GD]

Fun fact:

 

Ever since Aaron Sanchez returned to the bullpen on July 25, he has walked a total of 1 batter.

 

ONE batter.

 

That is one batter in roughly 14 2/3 innings, or 16 appearances. In that same time frame, he has K'd 11.

 

almost like he's a better reliever than starter...

[FFantasy]

Here's a crazy stat. I suspected it before checking...

 

In the last 2 seasons no reliever has induced less hard contact than Aaron Sanchez... out of 256 other relievers! And it's quite a large margin between the next guys.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=40&type=c,221,222,223&season=2015&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=5,a

[Jimcanuck]

23 yr old elite relievers should be stretched out to start

[burlingtonbandit]

Sanchez is a great reliever. Not sure why a couple of posters want to have Mark Lowe pitch instead of him. If the game is at the rogers centre I'd rather have Sanchez pitch in a one or 2 run game. His GBs on the turf and this infield defense are a great match. Now if there are 2 LHH due in the next 3 batters to start the 8th I'd rather have Cecil pitch.

 

I think Lowe is best used if you really need a strikeout in a key situation or in the 7th inning.

[Mac Outlaw]

23 yr old elite relievers should be stretched out to start

 

I agree with this. I'd like to see Sanchez get a chance at starting next year. He always has a pen job if it doesn't work out.

[Brownie19]

Sanchez is a great reliever. Not sure why a couple of posters want to have Mark Lowe pitch instead of him. If the game is at the rogers centre I'd rather have Sanchez pitch in a one or 2 run game. His GBs on the turf and this infield defense are a great match. Now if there are 2 LHH due in the next 3 batters to start the 8th I'd rather have Cecil pitch.

 

I think Lowe is best used if you really need a strikeout in a key situation or in the 7th inning.

 

Um - what if you need a big strikeout in the 8th inning?

[Followthelight]

Sanchez is a great reliever. Not sure why a couple of posters want to have Mark Lowe pitch instead of him. If the game is at the rogers centre I'd rather have Sanchez pitch in a one or 2 run game. His GBs on the turf and this infield defense are a great match. Now if there are 2 LHH due in the next 3 batters to start the 8th I'd rather have Cecil pitch.

 

I think Lowe is best used if you really need a strikeout in a key situation or in the 7th inning.

 

You are seeing things that don't exist...the complaints about lowe are how Lowe is being used, not that people want him over sanchez. Lowe for the most part has been a mop up guy for us which is laughable. After saying that lowe striikes guys out, Sanchez is a pitch to contact pitcher, late in ball games in tight spots that's dangerous.

[Deadpool]

Here's a crazy stat. I suspected it before checking...

 

In the last 2 seasons no reliever has induced less hard contact than Aaron Sanchez... out of 256 other relievers! And it's quite a large margin between the next guys.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=40&type=c,221,222,223&season=2015&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=5,a

 

Pfft, I've got a higher hard% than that!

[GD]

I agree with this. I'd like to see Sanchez get a chance at starting next year. He always has a pen job if it doesn't work out.

 

didn't we just go through this

[Atothe]

didn't we just go through this

 

Shapiro

[GD]

Shapiro

 

Shapiroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[BTS]

Sanchez as never been effective as a starter, not an A, AA, AAA, or the majors. He has shown to be an effective major league reliever. It probably has something to do with only having one reliable pitch. I think the SP ship has pretty much sailed at this point.

[GD]

here we go again

[Jimcanuck]

Sanchez as never been effective as a starter, not an A, AA, AAA, or the majors. He has shown to be an effective major league reliever. It probably has something to do with only having one reliable pitch. I think the SP ship has pretty much sailed at this point.

 

LOL.... keep digging

[BTS]

LOL.... keep digging

 

Everything I said is 100% accurate. I'm not sure what you could even take issue with.

[Sparky12]

Sanchez as never been effective as a starter, not an A, AA, AAA, or the majors. He has shown to be an effective major league reliever. It probably has something to do with only having one reliable pitch. I think the SP ship has pretty much sailed at this point.

 

Seems pretty accurate

[Jimcanuck]

Everything I said is 100% accurate. I'm not sure what you could even take issue with.

 

"I think the SP ship has pretty much sailed at this point."

 

He's 23 yrs old. Plenty of time to develop another pitch and improve command.

[jays_fever]

Aaron Sanchez has been a horrible starter at every level, but sure let's waste 10 more starts on him next year just to watch him fail again

[Daniel Labude]

Aaron Sanchez has been a horrible starter at every level, but sure let's waste 10 more starts on him next year just to watch him fail again

 

Wrong

[Ambassador Ch0n]

Sanchez as never been effective as a starter, not an A, AA, AAA, or the majors. He has shown to be an effective major league reliever. It probably has something to do with only having one reliable pitch. I think the SP ship has pretty much sailed at this point.

 

 

Unless we enter 2016 with a stacked rotation, you give him the chance to establish himself as at the very least a serviceable 4/5.

 

Osuna is the bigger conundrum now methinks when it comes to this particular issue. Still, it's a good problem to have.

[jays_fever]

Wrong

 

Are you still babbling on about Sanchez being a better pitcher than Syndergaard lol

[GD]

Are you still babbling on about Sanchez being a better pitcher than Syndergaard lol

 

lmfao