Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[Boxcar]

Again, you seem to find it hilarious that Goins 'hot streak' didn't continue so some posters could be proved wrong. smh

 

Re. this thread I suggest you take a look back after his poorer starts, and i'm sure you will find plenty of 'I told you so' posts from the other side of the fence. Didn't tercet once post before the first inning was through.

 

Surely all fans want their teams to succeed over points scoring on an internet forum.

 

Tercet is a bit of an abrasive moron though. I think it's human nature to enjoy being right, however fleeting.

 

Goins, unlike Sanchez, was never anything. He's a trash player who doesn't belong in the big leagues. The worst thing that could have happened was him having a fluky little streak and buying himself a bunch of rope to piss away at bats as one of the worst hitters in baseball. So with him, unless you're an idiot like theblujay, there was never any hope of good performance and thus no point in holding our breaths waiting for it.

[Boxcar]

You're posts are consistently garbage and are all about" I told you so". and making broad generalizations about a group of posters, a troll basically.. Can you prove it is the same posters posting the things you arer saying? I await your research.

 

Nope I'm a troll. Brilliant work, master sleuth.

[RealAccountant]

Offense and defense are very different. You can only make 3 positive contributions (outs) on defense per half inning, but on offense, you can continue, theoretically, infinitely, provided you don't make 3 outs. There's no limit, so you want as many good hitters as possible. Hope I'm explaining this well, it's really JFaS' point and he originally explained it far better than I have.

 

If JFaS made that distinction then he is one of the smartest people I know of. Thats a downright beautiful point. Amazing

[Jimcanuck]

You can't lump Tercet in with us. Boxcar wants Sanchez and Goins to succeed and so do I. That sentiment has been well-documented.

 

We are all Blue Jays fans (even BTS) and are not explicitly trying to score points; the more informed fans are simply trying to help the Sanchez and Goins believers understand the game better. It's a beautiful game.

 

Arrogant comment. Who are these less informed fans you speak of? If you include me, note that I have a master's degree in engineering, 25 yrs experience working as a P.Eng, and been watching the game of baseball since 1975 and the Big Red Machine. I'm aware and understand the advanced statistics. They aren't the end all and be all, they have considerable limitations.

 

There are a fair number of quite knowledgeable posters on here. But don't assume you know who is more informed.

Edited June 7, 2015 by Jimcanuck

[Jimcanuck]

Tercet is a bit of an abrasive moron though. I think it's human nature to enjoy being right, however fleeting.

 

Goins, unlike Sanchez, was never anything. He's a trash player who doesn't belong in the big leagues. The worst thing that could have happened was him having a fluky little streak and buying himself a bunch of rope to piss away at bats as one of the worst hitters in baseball. So with him, unless you're an idiot like theblujay, there was never any hope of good performance and thus no point in holding our breaths waiting for it.

 

Not true. He is an viable AAAA player, up and down between AAA and the bigs.

[Caper]

Goins, unlike Sanchez, was never anything. He's a trash player who doesn't belong in the big leagues. The worst thing that could have happened was him having a fluky little streak and buying himself a bunch of rope to piss away at bats as one of the worst hitters in baseball. So with him, unless you're an idiot like theblujay, there was never any hope of good performance and thus no point in holding our breaths waiting for it.

 

Being one of the best defenders in the league is a thing. So you're wrong

[MunenoriKawasakiMVP]

Goins will always be a bench player but his bat can at least be around ,600 ops and he'll find a job

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

I really enjoy watching him make some great defensive plays, he reminds me of JohnnyMac.

 

With his fielding skills if he had an average bat he would be an everyday player but he hasn't that's why he's only playing due to Travis' (or Reyes before him) injury.

[Boxcar]

Not true. He is an viable AAAA player, up and down between AAA and the bigs.

 

Based on what?

[Boxcar]

Being one of the best defenders in the league is a thing. So you're wrong

 

He more than makes up for that with his bat.

[RealAccountant]

He more than makes up for that with his bat.

 

The offense is good enough to carry 1 poor hitter.

[Zaun of the Dead]

do you guys ever get tired of arguing about the same 3 players everyday?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

It's not necessary fans who aren't well-versed in advanced statistics that I was speaking to, it's the subset of fans who think Goins and Sanchez are 'fixed' whenever they put together a few good games in a row. Really bad players have been fluking their way into good stretches for over 100 years; the mountain of prior evidence suggests the good stretches are meaningless. This is the message we try to spread to others who are consistently fooled.

 

Yup cause those paper Thin stats gave us the World Series Champs last year! Reality is a bitch that slapped your numbers in the face and said " That's why we play the games" fysmc

[GD]

The offense is good enough to carry 1 poor hitter.

 

What happened to you being in love with the exponential offense idea

[Caper]

What happened to you being in love with the exponential offense idea

 

 

 

I think aiming to put a team together where you attempt to stay at the plate for infinity, is a bit ridiculous.

 

Goins has played in more games then he hasn't this year and despite that the Jays have put up more offense then most any other team.

[GD]

I think aiming to put a team together where you attempt to stay at the plate for infinity, is a bit ridiculous.

 

Yes, because this is the actual objective. Ok.

[Caper]

Yes, because this is the actual objective. Ok.

 

Ok. Correct. I was being flippant.

 

But still. I think you greatly underestimate the value of great defense.

[GD]

I think there's more value to be gleamed from a high-powered offense. I'll look into it.

[Caper]

I think there's more value to be gleamed from a high-powered offense. I'll look into it.

 

I'm sure there is. Then again, Ive looked at TB's offense over the years and wondered how they managed to win games. Pitching obviously, but great D as well.

[Boxcar]

I'm sure there is. Then again, Ive looked at TB's offense over the years and wondered how they managed to win games. Pitching obviously, but great D as well.

 

From 2008-2013, TB had the highest position player WAR in all of baseball. Pitching was average-slightly above. Another myth about the Rays that never seems to go away.

 

E: actually, you can change that to just "since 2008" since it still applies currently. Around 10 WAR ahead of the Red Sox. Good hitting, great defense and excellent baserunning.

[bendera3]

I'm sure there is. Then again, Ive looked at TB's offense over the years and wondered how they managed to win games. Pitching obviously, but great D as well.

 

Tampa won games because their entire organization used statistics to get the maximum production out of their players. Their GM acquired players who could supplement others, and their manager followed through using the correct platoons and shifts that the information given to him suggested he do.

[Maahfaace]

Tampa won games because their entire organization used statistics to get the maximum production out of their players. Their GM acquired players who could supplement others, and their manager followed through using the correct platoons and shifts that the information given to him suggested he do.

 

^

 

Pretends he knows someone in the T.B organization

[Dick_Pole]

TIL walking 3 guys in 6 innings is something to be applauded.

 

Why do you fools have to make it SO difficult to cheer for particular players on the Bluejays? You're so quiet on guys like Goins, who you were defending vigorously with chest beating and all (turns out you were incredibly wrong - shocker) so quiet on Arencibia and now Sanchez is showing signs of maybe becoming a poor man's Jarred Cosart and you're rubbing it in the face of people who never made a definitive judgment in the first place? NO one said Aaron Sanchez is guaranteed garbage, NO one said that it is impossible he will become a somewhat valuable starting pitcher. They said "all signs point to Sanchez being one of the worst pitchers in baseball" or "Sanchez's past would indicate he's probably not going to continue pitching with a low ERA going forward" and all of those things still hold true. The only people making definitive claims (with heaping amounts of ignorance on the side) are you and your ill-educated ilk.

 

What the f*** is wrong with you?

 

Oh this guy...most of his posts are cheerleading or aping BTS or Nox then he starts to fall apart and call everyone fools when he's got to start thinking for himself. It's funny because those guys only tolerate him because he's such an easy mark for their fantasy pools. Last place out of how many teams? Hahahaha

 

I was about to chime in about how does supporting Sanchez have anything to do with supporting Goins, but then some f***ing guys actually had to take that bait. Sanchez has a potential MLB skill set. Goins would be very marginal at best.

[Dick_Pole]

Where is BTS? No sign of him for the last few days

 

Could be, you know, enjoying life. Its almost summer time and lots of people like to go outside, take vacations etc..

 

That seems unlikely

 

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/members/25-BTS

 

Total Posts: 8,198

Posts Per Day: 10.73

[Atothe]

Dick pole beating DAT ass!!!!!

[Boxcar]

Oh this guy...most of his posts are cheerleading or aping BTS or Nox then he starts to fall apart and call everyone fools when he's got to start thinking for himself. It's funny because those guys only tolerate him because he's such an easy mark for their fantasy pools. Last place out of how many teams? Hahahaha

 

I was about to chime in about how does supporting Sanchez have anything to do with supporting Goins, but then some f***ing guys actually had to take that bait. Sanchez has a potential MLB skill set. Goins would be very marginal at best.

 

I actually don't know how to respond to this since it's 95% nonsense, so I'll just say I completely agree with you.

[TwistedLogic]

That seems unlikely

 

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/members/25-BTS

 

Total Posts: 8,198

Posts Per Day: 10.73

 

BTS has way more posts than that. The majority of his posts were accidentally deleted by a mod when he was banned.

[GD]

and very few of them come in the main board

[theblujay]

Aaron Sanchez is very, very bad at being a starting pitcher.

 

Since this comment: 3.70 xFIP

[SpeedyGose]

Since this comment: 3.70 xFIP

 

How many starts does this time frame encompass?