Blue Jays will make offer to Sandoval in next 24 hours :(

[TwistedLogic]

AA doesn't have to worry about funds in 2019, because he won't be around. The next GM can take over a team with 3 ~35+ players getting paid $60 million combined.

 

Glossing over the fact that Reyes won't even be on the roster in 2019 (his guaranteed contract ends after '17), you realize that in 2019, three players making 60M is barely going to be considered an albatross, right? It's hardly crippling even now. The Jays have a swarm of talent in the farm that will be making it up in waves and will cost them nothing, and by the time they have to give free agent contracts to guys like Hoffman, Norris, Pompey, Sanchez, even Stroman, all of the big contracts that are currently on the ticket will be off the books.

 

AA has a golden track record when it comes to negotiating contracts. Complain all you want about anything else this club does, but there's two areas in which it's very hard to fault the Jays: amateur scouting, and contract negotiations. Until they completely s*** the bed and hand out a downright atrocious contract, you won't have any legs to stand on, no matter how much you want to rant and complain about it.

[Terminator]

what I don't get is in a pitching rich FA market AA seems focussed on position players

 

two things about Jays SP in 2014:

 

- an argument could be made that every SP, from MB to Happ, outperformed their true talent level

- Jays got lucky health wise with the SP

 

Anyone expecting a repeat of 2014 from the same group of 5 needs their heads examined

 

Who on the market is a clear improvement though? Lester (who the Jays are in on apparently) but who else? A lot of the guys out there aren't much better than what we have.

 

Also, it's clear why he's focused on position players. He's trying to get replacement level players like Navarro and Goins out of the lineup.

[Terminator]

Glossing over the fact that Reyes won't even be on the roster in 2019 (his guaranteed contract ends after '17), you realize that in 2019, three players making 60M is barely going to be considered an albatross, right? It's hardly crippling even now.

 

And some of those guys may not be on the team (see Vernon Wells) and players signed in 2019 can also be signed to backloaded contracts.

 

There is a reason almost every contract signed is backloaded; it's the smart thing to do.

[Nox]

what I don't get is in a pitching rich FA market AA seems focussed on position players

 

two things about Jays SP in 2014:

 

- an argument could be made that every SP, from MB to Happ, outperformed their true talent level

- Jays got lucky health wise with the SP

 

Anyone expecting a repeat of 2014 from the same group of 5 needs their heads examined

 

Stop narrowly framing the problem, Jim.

 

An upgrade at 3B/2B might be the easiest, most efficient way to add wins to this roster as currently constructed.

[Chappy]

Who on the market is a clear improvement though? Lester (who the Jays are in on apparently) but who else? A lot of the guys out there aren't much better than what we have.

 

Also, it's clear why he's focused on position players. He's trying to get replacement level players like Navarro and Goins out of the lineup.

 

As much as I was hoping we would get Headly, a Panda signing would be pretty exciting even with the concerns.

[Jimcanuck]

Who on the market is a clear improvement though? Lester (who the Jays are in on apparently) but who else? A lot of the guys out there aren't much better than what we have.

 

Also, it's clear why he's focused on position players. He's trying to get replacement level players like Navarro and Goins out of the lineup.

 

Lester, Shields, and Scherzer are clear upgrades on any of the starting 5. Several others are clear upgrades on Happ.

[Frenchsoup]

AA is going to back load the contract and offer him 100+mill. If we do get Panda i hope he trades Lawrie for a nice piece or 2. Maybe a Grandal?

[Terminator]

As much as I was hoping we would get Headly, a Panda signing would be pretty exciting even with the concerns.

 

Oh for sure. Everyone shits on him because he's fat but at least he's young and he's also pretty damn good.

[Terminator]

Lester, Shields, and Scherzer are clear upgrades on any of the starting 5. Several others are clear upgrades on Happ.

 

Yeah I knew I'd forget some people. Jays apparently in on some of them.

 

But my second point still stands.

[Chappy]

Lester, Shields, and Scherzer are clear upgrades on any of the starting 5. Several others are clear upgrades on Happ.

 

And Sandoval is an overwhelming upgrade over an Izturis/Goins platoon.

[Jimcanuck]

Stop narrowly framing the problem, Jim.

 

An upgrade at 3B/2B might be the easiest, most efficient way to add wins to this roster as currently constructed.

 

Nah, in a pitching rich FA market, signing Shields and moving one of the current 5 SP for a 2B would upgrade both SP and 2B at the same cost of signing Panda and upgrading only 1

[Chappy]

Oh for sure. Everyone shits on him because he's fat but at least he's young and he's also pretty damn good.

 

Funny thing is that he isn't even a bad defender. People look at him and think he will be terrible defensively which is far from the truth.

[flafson]

Why would we got for Sandoval for 100 mil when we can get Headley for 50 mil?

Is it possible AA is looking for players who got their teams to the playoffs?

[Angrioter]

AA is going to back load the contract and offer him 100+mill. If we do get Panda i hope he trades Lawrie for a nice piece or 2. Maybe a Grandal?

 

 

You're so funny or idiota

[Nox]

Nah, in a pitching rich FA market, signing Shields and moving one of the current 5 SP for a 2B would upgrade both SP and 2B at the same cost of signing Panda and upgrading only 1

 

Why on earth would this team be trading away cheap pitching depth? Awful idea.

 

Unless you're of the laughable position that Buerhle is tradeable. Which he's not.

[Jimcanuck]

Why on earth would this team be trading away cheap pitching depth? Awful idea.

 

Unless you're of the laughable position that Buerhle is tradeable. Which he's not.

 

Sure maybe MB alone doesn't have much value in trade. Dickey+, Hutch alone, and Happ+ brings an above average 2B.

 

As for cheap pitching depth, have you looked at Jays farm lately?

 

And please, don't be throwing insults.

[Nox]

Sure maybe MB alone doesn't have much value in trade. Dickey+, Hutch alone, and Happ+ brings an above average 2B.

 

As for cheap pitching depth, have you looked at Jays farm lately?

 

And please, don't be throwing insults.

 

 

Oh, Jim.

 

Can't even follow your own arbitrary guidelines. For the record, none of what I said was ad hominem. The ideas were stupid and labled as such. We all have bad ideas. This was a bad idea. Get over it.

 

Trading Hutch for a league average 2B (who probably make more $) is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

[TwistedLogic]

Who on the market is a clear improvement though? Lester (who the Jays are in on apparently) but who else? A lot of the guys out there aren't much better than what we have.

 

Also, it's clear why he's focused on position players. He's trying to get replacement level players like Navarro and Goins out of the lineup.

 

Probably above Lester is Scherzer, but I don't see either of them living up to the contract they'll get, and they're both probably out of the price range. Someone who I think does have a strong case for such a contract, and won't cost as much, is Shields. He'd be a significant upgrade on practically everyone on the Jays staff right now.

 

I also like Harang, and really like McCarthy, both of whom should at least be substantially better than Happ, and probably over Buerhle, who I don't see breaking much higher than 1.5-2 wins next year. Now is it a smart investment to put that much money into a pitcher of that mould when you do have passable SP and glaring holes elsewhere on the diamond? That's another question. But yes, there are guys that would significantly improve what we've got right now, and at least provide some injury insurance, something that we probably should consider, after how lucky the rotation was last year.

 

Outside of the conversation of strictly SP's, I think you have to at least call Villanueva in regards to a reunion. He's always been a very decent long relief/swingman type and he'd be one of my preferences for the role.

[Spanky99]

Well AA isn't going to offer anything more than a 5 year deal which would lock him up from his Age 28-32 seasons. I know he's fat but it's not like he's also old.

 

This^^^

 

It really isn't a bad thing.

[burlingtonbandit]

Lester, Shields, and Scherzer are clear upgrades on any of the starting 5. Several others are clear upgrades on Happ.

 

Id say Shields isn't a clear upgrade on Stroman at all. I'd rather have Stroman next season than Shields.

[Nox]

Id say Shields isn't a clear upgrade on Stroman at all. I'd rather have Stroman next season than Shields.

 

Even Scherzer doesn't project to be much better. Stroman is solid.

[Laika]

Driving up the price for Boston maybe, while using the 'five year policy' to maintain ostensible honesty but limit actual exposure?

[reedjohnsonfan]

This is great news. You can do worse than giving Sandoval a bunch of money, and at least the Jays are serious about adding another bigger free agent.

[jayswin11]

Trade Dick and Thole, sign Scherzer.

[Frenchsoup]

You're so funny or idiota

 

 

I am pretty sure last year i said to trade Rasmus ass and got ripped for saying that. So we'll see how this one turns out...

[TwistedLogic]

I am pretty sure last year i said to trade Rasmus ass and got ripped for saying that. So we'll see how this one turns out...

 

I wouldn't be surprised if I was one of the rippers, so I apologize if I was. I can admit that. I was very much against trading Rasmus because I felt he still had a lot of under-appreciated value, but it turns out I was wrong at the time.

[jayswin11]

would anyone want Rasmus back to play LF for let's say 1 year at $5mil?

 

Hypothetically of course

[GD]

would anyone want Rasmus back to play LF for let's say 1 year at $5mil?

 

Hypothetically of course

 

this would be nice

[jayswin11]

avg obp slg

.264 .327 .375

.289 .374 .399

250 .347 .400

.243 .328 .372

 

 

These are Headley's last 4 season's minus his one monster year.

Why is everyone so high on him?

[jayswin11]

$5M would be really nice. That is never happening though.

 

Don't think it would happen either, just making convo