Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[Orgfiller]

21 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Fangraphs has its 40 man roster crunch article up. They don't seem to think we will have much trouble. 

"Toronto has several injured pitchers (Ricky Tiedemann, Connor Cooke, T.J. Brock) whose timelines for return might line up in such a way that it’s convenient for another club to use a Rule 5 pick on them. Outfielder Victor Arias might be the lone Jays position player who is added."

 

 

I doubt they give up on Tiedemann entirely although I could see it, but nobody could give less of a f*** about Cooke and Brock. Definitely think we retain Arias, although can't really see any team keeping him on the MLB roster for the full year. 21 and with only 150 bad PAs in AA or above.

[jmomcc]

6 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

I doubt they give up on Tiedemann entirely although I could see it, but nobody could give less of a f*** about Cooke and Brock. Definitely think we retain Arias, although can't really see any team keeping him on the MLB roster for the full year. 21 and with only 150 bad PAs in AA or above.

Brock's scouting report does sound like a good reliever though. 60 fastball, 70 slider. 

I'd roster tieddemann and brock and take a chance on arias. 

[Stangstag]

4 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

I doubt they give up on Tiedemann entirely although I could see it, but nobody could give less of a f*** about Cooke and Brock. Definitely think we retain Arias, although can't really see any team keeping him on the MLB roster for the full year. 21 and with only 150 bad PAs in AA or above.

Giving up on Tiedemann right now would be crazy IMO. He could probably be an impact reliever as soon as next year.

[Orgfiller]

27 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Giving up on Tiedemann right now would be crazy IMO. He could probably be an impact reliever as soon as next year.

I agree, but he could just be completely broken. The last time he even had a reliever's workload of innings was in 2022. He could come back throwing 93 with no command.

[Orgfiller]

32 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Brock's scouting report does sound like a good reliever though. 60 fastball, 70 slider. 

I'd roster tieddemann and brock and take a chance on arias. 

Yes, but he'll now be 26 coming off injury and hasn't sniffed AAA. It's hard to keep those guys in the 40-man even if they'd be nice to have in the minors as depth and they might pop up as guys elsewhere.

[mphenhef]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

Do we really need these responses to gruber's nonsense?  

We've beaten this horse to death over the past 2-3 years.  Atkins haters point to the lack of playoff success and love to wave the "waves of talent" quote in everyone's face.  

We finished 2 outs away from winning the world series and we're still giving these naysayers the time of day?  It's nonsense.  2020-2025 is CLEARLY the best stretch we've seen since the incredible 1983-1993 run (which was really remarkable).

You want to argue the payroll is the reason?  Well guess what?  It was a major factor in '92 & '93 - you want to discount that success too?

You want to focus on one quote - like everything a GM says must come true or they are failure?  That's moronic, but OK.  The list of homegrown talent that were drafted/developed by the Atkins regime is pretty substantial.

Vlad, Bo, Kirk, Barger, Schneider, Yesavage and Flu were all major contributors this year.  Add in prospects we've traded to bring in guys like Varsho, Berrios, Teo, Clement, Varland, Gimenez, Little, Fisher, Bieber, Sandlin, etc.

Obviously the FO isn't perfect, but you have to be one miserable c*nt to not give this FO some credit.  To keep repeating the same nonsense year after year is really embarrassing at this point.  If you haven't or can't enjoy the run we've been on and the current state of the team, than I feel bad for you.  It's really sad.  

There is something to be said about Shapiro making the business decisions that led to him getting Rogers to approve higher budgets.  That's quite firmly a win on his part.

[Jonn]

1 hour ago, jmomcc said:

Fangraphs has its 40 man roster crunch article up. They don't seem to think we will have much trouble. 

"Toronto has several injured pitchers (Ricky Tiedemann, Connor Cooke, T.J. Brock) whose timelines for return might line up in such a way that it’s convenient for another club to use a Rule 5 pick on them. Outfielder Victor Arias might be the lone Jays position player who is added."

 

 

They 100% keep Ricky. Should keep Brock. Fine with shedding Cooke. Arias stays but I personally think he’s nothing.

[jmomcc]

Keeping Tieddemann out of AFL could have been he wasn't ready but also, could be that they want him to get past rule 5. 

[mphenhef]

22 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

There is something to be said about Shapiro making the business decisions that led to him getting Rogers to approve higher budgets.  That's quite firmly a win on his part.

Quoting myself I know, But I also wanted to add all the hype about the facilities at Roger's Centre that is going to help attract free agents is directly attributable to Shapiro as well.  That's a big part of what he was brought in to do and by all accounts he knocked it out of the park.

[max silver]

49 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

I agree, but he could just be completely broken. The last time he even had a reliever's workload of innings was in 2022. He could come back throwing 93 with no command.

That's the kind of decision you make after seeing if Ricky is throwing 93 with no command.

[mphenhef]

1 hour ago, jmomcc said:

Fangraphs has its 40 man roster crunch article up. They don't seem to think we will have much trouble. 

"Toronto has several injured pitchers (Ricky Tiedemann, Connor Cooke, T.J. Brock) whose timelines for return might line up in such a way that it’s convenient for another club to use a Rule 5 pick on them. Outfielder Victor Arias might be the lone Jays position player who is added."

 

 

Did Longenhagen just get bored halfway through and decide to mail in 4 teams and completely forget about 3?

[Olerud363.354]

2 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Do we really need these responses to gruber's nonsense?  

Austin Martin and Spencer Horwitz are also both looking good enough to be 7th hitters on a playoff team (or a 2 hitter on Pirates/Twins). 

I mean we don't know yet how their careers go exactly, both are late bloomers, but showing 2-3 WAR potential. 

Martin especially was one of the reasons we hated Shatkins, for screwing up the 5th overall pick, but last year Martin kind of played well as a high on base speedy outfielder.   If somewhow Berrios and Martin both have 3 WAR next year it will make Shatkins look even better. 

[Orgfiller]

31 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Austin Martin and Spencer Horwitz are also both looking good enough to be 7th hitters on a playoff team (or a 2 hitter on Pirates/Twins). 

I mean we don't know yet how their careers go exactly, both are late bloomers, but showing 2-3 WAR potential. 

Martin especially was one of the reasons we hated Shatkins, for screwing up the 5th overall pick, but last year Martin kind of played well as a high on base speedy outfielder.   If somewhow Berrios and Martin both have 3 WAR next year it will make Shatkins look even better. 

Not sure what Austin Martin you're talking about, but the one on the Twins that lives on the injured list, has no power, and plays every position he's assigned poorly is most certainly not showing 2-3 WAR potential. If anything SWR is the one we'd like to have back from that deal the most.

Horwitz does seem like a decent piece who might carve out a nice career, but I don't think we should be crying about losing Lyle Overbay for our starting SS in the WS and next year and beyond.

[harvey16]

1 hour ago, mphenhef said:

Quoting myself I know, But I also wanted to add all the hype about the facilities at Roger's Centre that is going to help attract free agents is directly attributable to Shapiro as well.  That's a big part of what he was brought in to do and by all accounts he knocked it out of the park.

The upgrades at the Rogers Centre are a huge win. The stadium went from being bottom 5 in the league to now at least middle of the pack. The Renos have made the fan experience so much better! Seating has way better sightlines and all the social areas are awesome! They did a phenomenal job with the Renos! The GA tickets was a great addition too. The atmosphere since they've done the Renos is so much better too, actually feels like a baseball stadium now.

[Olerud363.354]

16 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

Not sure what Austin Martin you're talking about, but the one on the Twins that lives on the injured list, has no power, and plays every position he's assigned poorly is most certainly not showing 2-3 WAR potential.

He had 1 fWAR in 50 games.   I mean... c'mon.  I didn't say "he is showing consistent year to year 3 WAR performance".  

This board needs to shape up.  Just headed to the fate of the old board where no new posters will ever join because of the ridiculous negative vibe that goes on here.   

Proper way to respond to my comment "Dear Olerud363.354, while Martin did have 1 fWAR in 50 games, which would be 3 in 150 games, I do believe he will never reach that potential.  He will be injured.  He will regress.  He will be forever a dissapointment.  It is my hard held belief that the 3 WAR potential of Austin Martin will never be realized"

[Jonn]

2 hours ago, jmomcc said:

Keeping Tieddemann out of AFL could have been he wasn't ready but also, could be that they want him to get past rule 5. 

He would be taken first overall if not protected.

[bronson44]

Straw trying to recruit Tucker 😆

[SeranthonySantander]

20 minutes ago, bronson44 said:

Straw trying to recruit Tucker 😆

George played with him too

[Sorrow]

Nick Sandlin was outrighted to Buffalo on 11/14 according to MLB transactions

 

37/40 on the 40 man.

[jmomcc]

2 hours ago, Sorrow said:

Nick Sandlin was outrighted to Buffalo on 11/14 according to MLB transactions

 

37/40 on the 40 man.

I guess they thought his arb number was too high?

[Spanky__99]

32 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I guess they thought his arb number was too high?

That, or they didn't like what they saw during his rehab.

[Jonn]

I low key thought Sandlin would be a bigger part of the pen. Injuries suck.

Bruihl and Lucas can be dumped at any time.

Jiminez and Clase days are likely numbered as well.

[Spanky__99]

I'm guessing the Jays will protect Tiedemann, Kasevich and Pinango on the 40 at Tuesday's deadline. I believe Arias and Duran are safe from being selected with their age and level. What do you guys think? 

Oops... I see it was discussed earlier, Longenhagen never mentioned 2 of those guys? Hmm... maybe I'm wrong. IDK. Actually Steamer600 doesn't project them very well. I get it.

[jmomcc]

1 hour ago, Jonn said:

I low key thought Sandlin would be a bigger part of the pen. Injuries suck.

Bruihl and Lucas can be dumped at any time.

Jiminez and Clase days are likely numbered as well.

I'm definitely keeping Jimenez. I think he is like a 2.5 WAR player. Its worth keeping. 

[jmomcc]

21 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

I'm guessing the Jays will protect Tiedemann, Kasevich and Pinango on the 40 at Tuesday's deadline. I believe Arias and Duran are safe from being selected with their age and level. What do you guys think? 

Its usually less than you think, but i'll predict tieddemann, brock, kasevich. 

[Spanky__99]

1 minute ago, jmomcc said:

I'm definitely keeping Jimenez. I think he is like a 2.5 WAR player. Its worth keeping. 

Yeah, Jonn's out to lunch, he's projected as a 2.2 Win player by Steamer600.

[jmomcc]

Just listening to the latest Rates and Barrells pod. Eno has Okamoto as solidly a 3B. His profile really fits our style. He is a rightie and he would kind of block barger a bit at third. He has played left field too and obviously can play first. I think he'd be a solid add. Maybe get him for something like 4/70 or something. 

[Spanky__99]

2 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Its usually less than you think, but i'll predict tieddemann, brock, kasevich. 

I edit my post after looking at the projections. I'd be surprised if they protect a reliever at his age and injury history, we'll find out Tuesday.

[jmomcc]

3 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Yeah, Jonn's out to lunch, he's projected as a 2.2 Win player by Steamer600.

Even eye test wise, super smooth looking in the field, and he had a good eye. He makes decent contact as well. Its just a solid profile.. and if he can increase his bat speed more..: 

[Spanky__99]

15 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Just listening to the latest Rates and Barrells pod. Eno has Okamoto as solidly a 3B. His profile really fits our style. He is a rightie and he would kind of block barger a bit at third. He has played left field too and obviously can play first. I think he'd be a solid add. Maybe get him for something like 4/70 or something. 

This attempt would be after we miss out on bigger fish, right? Like Bo or Belli... I don't think Tucker's worth 10/400M that money makes me uneasy.