Blue Jays-Dodgers World Series Game 7 Thread: Max Scherzer vs Shohei Ohtani

[max silver]

5 minutes ago, Pinkfloid said:

It sounds ridiculous, but silver lining is that there were so many other small/big things that happened/didn't happen in addition to this play that it can't be singled out ala Buckner, etc. I'm more annoyed with Barger yesterday TBH and Varsho's inability to put a good swing on a ball at any point in the past two games. I'm sure IKF is beating himself up pretty badly cause that one play you could draw a direct correlation to an outcome.

Varsho had a tough few games but if IKF had even a fraction of a bigger lead and didn't make the boneheaded move of sliding into home plate he scores and Varsho is credited with driving in the winning run. I had the inkling that the inability to plate more of the wealth of scoring chances they had earlier in the game might come back to bite the team in the ass and that was definitely the case. 

[dineke]

It just sucks that they could improve the team next year and still not make it back here. Vlad and clement had all time postseasons and a bunch of other stuff broke our way this postseason. Just ran out of luck in the last 2 games. Hopefully rogers will keep giving the budget necessary  for shatkins to keep this team in postseason contention for the next 10 years. Even then though a ws is not guaranteed  just look at the Yankees.

This was a devastating missed opportunity  no way to sugarcoat it.

[Pinkfloid]

It feels like the IKF play isn't getting much traction now but it feels like he will wind up getting the majority of the blame in the near future. He's not likely coming back (I hope) so it could be good that the remaining guys on the team don't have to worry about the fanbase being upset with them long-term. I feel like we will obtain a good closer for next year and Hoffman will be a setup guy. He sounded humble after the loss so I doubt he pushes back too much on that idea for next year.

[philly30]

I Feel so horrible for all you guys up there, at least I am not in the middle of it, out of all the places I have been, Toronto is one of my favorites, someday you will win again and I will be watching

[Pinkfloid]

1 minute ago, dineke said:

It just sucks that they could improve the team next year and still not make it back here. Vlad and clement had all time postseasons and a bunch of other stuff broke our way this postseason. Just ran out of luck in the last 2 games. Hopefully rogers will keep giving the budget necessary  for shatkins to keep this team in postseason contention for the next 10 years. Even then though a ws is not guaranteed  just look at the Yankees.

This was a devastating missed opportunity  no way to sugarcoat it.

Very true. One play away from winning v.s losing is as razor-thin a margin as you can get. AND we had so many wasted opportunities. I don't think the moment was too big for most of the players, so just ran out of luck at the worst time.

[Buster]

30 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Kudos to Pages for holding on. GG on Roberts for that defensive sub because Edman probably doesn’t make that play.

Roberts out managed JS handily.

[max silver]

29 minutes ago, Pinkfloid said:

It feels like the IKF play isn't getting much traction now but it feels like he will wind up getting the majority of the blame in the near future. He's not likely coming back (I hope) so it could be good that the remaining guys on the team don't have to worry about the fanbase being upset with them long-term. I feel like we will obtain a good closer for next year and Hoffman will be a setup guy. He sounded humble after the loss so I doubt he pushes back too much on that idea for next year.

At the end of the day IKF showed repeatedly during this post season that he's simply not a championship caliber player. It's really a damn shame that Hoffman hung a slider to the number 9 hitter as he had a tremendous post season and hadn't allowed a home run in 2 months of play. At any rate it's bound to be a fun post season with so many rotation holes to fill, and I do tend to think that the certainty of Vlad being signed long term along with the near world series miss should make it a little easier for the front office to attract premium talent in free agency. 

[Masterbather]

Just completely empty. Zero satisfaction from the entire run right now. That won't change.

All the things that had to go right for us to get to this point, a game that was completely winnable. Hitting with runners in scoring position was such a massive strength for us and it completely dried up the last couple of days. The lights got too bright for some of them. They were basically blinding Varsho.

Dodgers played like s*** in this world series, and they still f***ing win. They still somehow managed to be just clutch enough to crawl over the finish line. 

 

 

[Believe9293]

Very tough pill to swallow. So many chances where they could have won it but fell short. Will it take a while for me to get over this? Maybe but this too shall pass. 
One thing I confirmed from this postseason run is my love for the Jays. I’ll be there though thick and thin. Hopefully our time comes but I will be here for the ride.

[max silver]

8 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Just completely empty. Zero satisfaction from the entire run right now. That won't change.

All the things that had to go right for us to get to this point, a game that was completely winnable. Hitting with runners in scoring position was such a massive strength for us and it completely dried up the last couple of days. The lights got too bright for some of them. They were basically blinding Varsho.

Dodgers played like s*** in this world series, and they still f***ing win. They still somehow managed to be just clutch enough to crawl over the finish line. 

 

 

All of us are emotionally gutted right now, but are you seriously stating you derive zero satisfaction from this improbable post season run? This team was viewed as a wild card contender at best and not only won the division, but won the ALDS, ALCS and came painfully close to winning a world series title. I seriously hope you aren't going to tell me that you still would have rather seen the Blue Jays lose to the Yankees in the ALDS.

[G-Snarls]

When they got past Seattle I felt so happy and even felt almost OK that if they lost to the Dodgers in 6 or 7 that's still a really good season. 

But after coming home with TWO chances to win it, and both games winnable.... if a few players had just done just a BIT more right they found have pulled it off.  It's very upsetting that they couldn't get the job done. 

So many amazing moments and victories in the post season but I'll always feel like they could have won it all this year but fell 1/10th of a centimeter short. 

[philly30]

So to recap, an ex phillies blows it, a guy named after A phillie can't hit a fly ball and a guy named will smith wins it for the other team, thats just ridiculous, On behalf of the city of Philadelphia I apologize  for existing

[Fastball21]

Jays doing what they've done all year, play well for a few games and then...Bases loaded twice no runs, homerun given up to the #9 hitter a rookie with only 7 dingers all year, runners in scoring position in the 11th and hit into a double play, still very proud of this team but this was a series we should have won. 

[Landry_25]

1 hour ago, G-Snarls said:

When they got past Seattle I felt so happy and even felt almost OK that if they lost to the Dodgers in 6 or 7 that's still a really good season. 

But after coming home with TWO chances to win it, and both games winnable.... if a few players had just done just a BIT more right they found have pulled it off.  It's very upsetting that they couldn't get the job done. 

So many amazing moments and victories in the post season but I'll always feel like they could have won it all this year but fell 1/10th of a centimeter short. 

Felt kind of the same way. I was far more nervous and excited for the last two series than most of the WS. Until games 5+ anyway then it got intense lol. Didn’t have much expectations coming into the WS but they sure as hell showed the ability to compete and out play the dodgers. Best team lost the series for sure. I’d only consider the first Yamamoto start as non-winnable, the rest man we could have easily won with just a couple breaks here and there!! Crazy season 

[Eat My Shatkins]

Disappointing end for sure, but it feels like the Jays org turned a corner this year and most of this team will be back next year. I doubt it will be their last crack at winning a World Series. Especially if Vladdy has found another level like he showed this post season.

 

[Jonn]

6 hours ago, Jays24 said:

So many moments I wont be able to forget:

- Gimenez with a bullet to muncy 

- Hoffman 2 outs away

- Varsho utterly useless at the plate and cant hit a sac fly

- IKF as a pinch runner got a brutal jump and slid at home on a force play to slow him down

- Clement's ball that looked like it was about to fall

- Kirk needing a sac fly but hits into a double play

Im dead right now :(

Personally don't feel the bullet Muncy should have happened. The bunt should have never been taken off. Springer has a much different approach at the plate in that situation if he a runner on third. But yea he ended up striking out in his final 3 at-bats.

Giminez moment that will actually stick out to me. Is his ridiculous reaction to thinking they are intentionally throwing at him when the last thing the Dodgers want to do in that situation is put the #9 hitter on base. He literally caused a base clearing brawl that sparked a lifeless Dodger team for no reason. 

I also really didn't like the use of Shane Bieber in this Baseball game and can't even compare to the Dodgers usage of their starters who are all stuff guys. Bieber being a command and feel guy. There was multiple relievers on the team I would have went to before considering using Bieber. Fisher, Fluharty, Lauer were all there as guys who have done that so many times this year successfully.

At the end of day failure to execute by getting a ball to the Outfield is just brutal. Imagine getting that Ernie fly ball in any of those situations with less than 2 outs the game would be over. The defensive positioning of the Dodgers was incredibly stupid on that fly ball to begin with. Its actually insane Pages made that catch.

[Doubleplay21]

IKF is a terrible baserunner

https://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/blue-jays-fans-isiah-kiner-falefa-baserunning-game-7/725199

[Landry_25]

12 minutes ago, Doubleplay21 said:

IKF is a terrible baserunner

https://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/blue-jays-fans-isiah-kiner-falefa-baserunning-game-7/725199

Wow I didn’t even realize how bad that was. First time I’ve seen it from this angle that’s brutal! More reason to hate the idiot 

[Angrioter]

A Toronto fan since the late 80s, growing up as a kid in an 3rd world country. Listening  the games on the radio since we didn't have cable TV.

I'm 44 years old and I know I won't see my favorite team win another championship ring.

Things were in place for them to win this year:

A hitting coach who transformed a group of mediocre hitters into productive hitters.

Bichette hit .370 after the All-Star break.

Springer had his best season at 45.

Vladdy, Clement, and Barger were in elite form during the playoffs.

Trey pitched like one of the best pitchers in the game.

A team defense like no other.

This was my last chance to see my team win.

 

My WhatsApp is full of messages from people I know and love, trying to comfort me as if a family member had died.

I think I'll be away from this forum for a while. It's a blow that will take time to heal.

[DAAJankeesLose]

So when do the Jeff Hoffman and IKF dartboards go on sale in the online merch store?

[Nexii]

Hell of a season, couldn't ask for more exciting games. A shame I missed many parts live because I've been recovering from surgery. But at least I got to see all of Game 7.

Jays really need to improve the baserunning in the offseason. For a team that isn't slow they ranked poorly (25th) and I could believe them being even worse. Crazy to think something so overlooked was the difference between the Jays and Dodgers.

[BlueJays]

1 hour ago, Doubleplay21 said:

IKF is a terrible baserunner

https://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/blue-jays-fans-isiah-kiner-falefa-baserunning-game-7/725199

Wow. This is nuts. Dodgers are so damn lucky. I’m still baffled on why IKF is on the roster. What a s***** move by Atkins

[bluejaysinternNo5]

If it was a coaching decision to play IKF close to the bag then it really was a case of "playing not to lose" and not playing to win. Game 6 - Kike ignores his positioning card, playing shallower than intended and ends up making that crucial catch. 

Guess trusting your instincts like that is a benefit of post season experience. 

[gruber9292]

The worst part of it all is that Ross Atkins will be back. It can't get any worse than this. 

[BTS]

14 minutes ago, gruber9292 said:

The worst part of it all is that Ross Atkins will be back. It can't get any worse than this. 

He just assembled a team that was literally an inch from winning the World Series 

[mphenhef]

5 hours ago, Pinkfloid said:

Very true. One play away from winning v.s losing is as razor-thin a margin as you can get. AND we had so many wasted opportunities. I don't think the moment was too big for most of the players, so just ran out of luck at the worst time.

This, I will be interested to see the XBa of the clement hit, the Vlad line drive to the gap that was caught and the Kirk liner to Muncy.  

[Ball4Life]

Got about 3 hours sleep. This hurts. I hate that I care so much. It’s just sports.  Blah.

[Ball4Life]

Can someone give a non emotional recap as to why Toronto lost this World Series? I do believe you win and lose as a team, but there were some individual performances (mostly baserunning) that negatively stick out to me.

[bluejaysinternNo5]

  

30 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

This, I will be interested to see the XBa of the clement hit, the Vlad line drive to the gap that was caught and the Kirk liner to Muncy.  

Clement's fly out to Pages: .380 xBa.

Vlad's second to last AB where he flew out to CF: .470 xBA.

(Assuming you mean Gimenez to Muncy): .590 xBA.

Overall for Game 7: 

LAD: .331 xBA.

TOR: .454 xBA.

I don't even want to compute it for the whole series I have a feeling it will just piss me off.

[BlueJays]

I didn't cry when they lost last night but when I saw (just now) a video Vladdy crying tears just start dropping. This f***ing sucks.