Santander Said He's "interested" In Joining Jays But "Just A Little Off" On Terms

[BatFlip]

2 hours ago, saskjayfan said:

That or the Jays were the only team offering 4 years and he doesn't want to come here.

That could be it, but I'm betting it's because no one will stretch up to his contract demands.  Teo's contract didn't do him any favours.

[glory]

On 1/12/2025 at 1:24 AM, L54 said:

No long term commitments >> Bregman >> Santander 

 

Yeah I don’t think Shapiro is going to give out a short team, multiple opt out contract, but if he does, then I think Bregman is the one to target with that. Assuming he decides to go that route. A one trick pony like Santander getting opt outs is a bad idea. Bregman at least has 4 WAR potential so if you get that for one year and he leaves, then you can probably live with that. A short term deal, even if Bregman doesn’t opt out in that scenario, mitigates a lot of the decline risk as well.

[L54]

11 hours ago, glory said:

Yeah I don’t think Shapiro is going to give out a short team, multiple opt out contract, but if he does, then I think Bregman is the one to target with that. Assuming he decides to go that route. A one trick pony like Santander getting opt outs is a bad idea. Bregman at least has 4 WAR potential so if you get that for one year and he leaves, then you can probably live with that. A short term deal, even if Bregman doesn’t opt out in that scenario, mitigates a lot of the decline risk as well.

No I don’t think so and nor should he. Giving opt outs requires a unique circumstance and Anthony Fuggin Santander is far from the type of player you give the ability to leave but guarantee the world 

Bregman is a better bet to provide more value in 25 and beyond for the same AAV just a longer commitment. He’s my choice if I have to sign one of these guys 

[Jonn]

I think you wait him out. He doesn't really have any other major suitors and you don't want to be anywhere near 5 years with him. 2 or 3 with a higher AAV should get it done.

[204Jays]

>Manoah less fat

>Mentions Santander

>>Uses Blue Jays sticker

>O'Canada?

[G-Snarls]

On 1/13/2025 at 9:19 AM, glory said:

Yeah I don’t think Shapiro is going to give out a short team, multiple opt out contract, but if he does, then I think Bregman is the one to target with that. Assuming he decides to go that route. A one trick pony like Santander getting opt outs is a bad idea. Bregman at least has 4 WAR potential so if you get that for one year and he leaves, then you can probably live with that. A short term deal, even if Bregman doesn’t opt out in that scenario, mitigates a lot of the decline risk as well.

s***** thing is losing the draft pick for one year of a player 

[Jays24]

 

 

 

On 1/14/2025 at 11:37 AM, 204Jays said:

 

 

[Brownie19]

45 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

[Barrelsandbombs]

My Santander take (might be a hot take) is that he would primarily DH here instead of play in LF, where it's widely perceived there is a bigger hole.

I think the Jays are higher internally on Joey Loperfido's outlook for 2025 compared to Will Wagner's. FanGraphs Depth Charts currently lists Loperfido as the strong side of a LF platoon, while they currently list Wagner as the strong side of a DH platoon.

[BatFlip]

48 minutes ago, Barrelsandbombs said:

My Santander take (might be a hot take) is that he would primarily DH here instead of play in LF, where it's widely perceived there is a bigger hole.

I think the Jays are higher internally on Joey Loperfido's outlook for 2025 compared to Will Wagner's. FanGraphs Depth Charts currently lists Loperfido as the strong side of a LF platoon, while they currently list Wagner as the strong side of a DH platoon.

It makes a lot of sense. 

I was curious about Santander's splits and he's basically the same hitter vs RHB or LHP with a .003 difference in slugging (.772 OPS in 2020AB vs RHB; .786 OPS in 808AB vs LHB).  Would be great to have him in the lineup and platoon around him like you've suggested in OF and DH.  

I think Loperfido will be on a short leash.  If he doesn't start to perform early in the season, I think his ABs are going to disappear in a hurry.  I notice no one has been talking about Davis Schneider, kinda sad to see how badly he fell off last year.

[G-Snarls]

44 minutes ago, BatFlip said:

It makes a lot of sense. 

I was curious about Santander's splits and he's basically the same hitter vs RHB or LHP with a .003 difference in slugging (.772 OPS in 2020AB vs RHB; .786 OPS in 808AB vs LHB).  Would be great to have him in the lineup and platoon around him like you've suggested in OF and DH.  

I think Loperfido will be on a short leash.  If he doesn't start to perform early in the season, I think his ABs are going to disappear in a hurry.  I notice no one has been talking about Davis Schneider, kinda sad to see how badly he fell off last year.

A hot spring from a few among Schneider, Clement, Barger, Wagner and Loperfido would be most welcome. But I don't feel we can afford to count on any of them.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, G-Snarls said:

A hot spring from a few among Schneider, Clement, Barger, Wagner and Loperfido would be most welcome. But I don't feel we can afford to count on any of them.

I think you're going to have to count on at least one of them next year - of not 2 (probably Clement and/or Wagner).

I think Barger is a real wildcard.  He's has all the physical tools.  I'm pretty confident we'll get good production from at least 1 of them.  2 is a stretch.

[Terminator]

Could also trade some of them. Not sure what you'd get though. Maybe a reliever or a depth starter to stash in AAA.

[Brownie19]

23 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Could also trade some of them. Not sure what you'd get though. Maybe a reliever or a depth starter to stash in AAA.

Feels like you need to keep that depth given the uncertainty of them all.  You can afford to guess wrong.

[Terminator]

56 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Feels like you need to keep that depth given the uncertainty of them all.  You can afford to guess wrong.

I see what you are saying but it could be painful throwing that slop against the wall to see what sticks. Might take half a year to figure out that you guessed wrong and you need to put the next buffalo boy in the lineup. 

I think they need more sure bets in the lineup. So sign or trade for someone and then they can keep some buffalo boys for depth and then move some to improve the team.

[BB17]

Loperfido I think would the guy I would move out of the bunch but it’s tough because with Varsho coming back from injury he’s really the only guy who can play CF. 

Barger I really wouldn’t want to move given the upside with the bat. The jays need star level talent especially with the Vlad/Bo situation. Trading him for a reliever or depth SP for a season in which they are a mid 80 win team/wildcard if everything goes right seems like a bad idea.

[G-Snarls]

1 hour ago, BB17 said:

Loperfido I think would the guy I would move out of the bunch but it’s tough because with Varsho coming back from injury he’s really the only guy who can play CF. 

Barger I really wouldn’t want to move given the upside with the bat. The jays need star level talent especially with the Vlad/Bo situation. Trading him for a reliever or depth SP for a season in which they are a mid 80 win team/wildcard if everything goes right seems like a bad idea.

Don't think Springer can fill in CF for a month or two?

[jaysblue]

We just need Santander to fail a physical from the Angels and the Blue Jays will have a chance haha. 

[BB17]

7 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

Don't think Springer can fill in CF for a month or two?

Not really. I mean he's already at the point where he's average defensively in the corner/likely below avg this year with his age.

[Sorrow]

For CF you have Berroa on the roster as well as Clase.

[Brownie19]

17 minutes ago, Sorrow said:

For CF you have Berroa on the roster as well as Clase.

Correct - and one of them will be the starting CF on opening day.  I can't see them playing Springer in CF very much at this point.  I could see them trading one of Loperfido, Berroa or Clase, but I think they better hang onto Wagner, Barger and Clement.

Ideally, you add enough that most of these guys are quality bench options.  I suspect 1 of the Buffalo boys will start the season as a starter (or in a platoon), with another (Loperfido, Berroa or Clase) filling in for Varsho until he's healthy.

[John_Havok]

If anything, without a Vlad extension, the teams should absolutely be open to short term deals. May as well stack the team as best you can for 2025 with the uncertainty surrounding that situation

[Terminator]

27 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Correct - and one of them will be the starting CF on opening day.  I can't see them playing Springer in CF very much at this point.  I could see them trading one of Loperfido, Berroa or Clase, but I think they better hang onto Wagner, Barger and Clement.

Ideally, you add enough that most of these guys are quality bench options.  I suspect 1 of the Buffalo boys will start the season as a starter (or in a platoon), with another (Loperfido, Berroa or Clase) filling in for Varsho until he's healthy.

In addition to everyone you mentioned- Loperfido, Berroa, Clase, Wagner, Barger and Clement- we also have:

• Leo Jimenez, Schneider and Orelvis on the 40 man
• Roden and Kasevich aren't on the 40-man but are close to ready
• Lukes (40 man) and Stefanic (ST invite) are interesting older guys 

Some of these guys overlap a lot and I think it could be beneficial to trade them. We need more depth arms and another surefire bat. We might need some international money as well. 

Atkins usually knows what prospects he can move that won't come back to bite him. 

 

[204Jays]

f*** this guy.

Time kills deals, apparently we met his demands for a fifth year and he stayed on the fence. Eat s*** Santander.

[BB17]

Jimenez kind of gets lost in the crowd, but if he could be average defensively at SS he could become a pretty decent player. 23 years old and projected right around average offensively. 

[Spanky99]

2 hours ago, 204Jays said:

f*** this guy.

Time kills deals, apparently we met his demands for a fifth year and he stayed on the fence. Eat s*** Santander.

Agreed, this tool is holding the Jays hostage for leverage, f*** him. Unless he signs here... *shifty eyes*

[Pendleton]

 

[Laika]

1. Sign Sasuke Uchiha
2. Trade Vlad for the Mets top 4 prospects
3. Sign Tony Taters
4. Sign Pete Alonso (think of the allons-y and let's go blue jays puns...) 

[glory]

 

[Brownie19]

Please God no.  Its over Ross. Resign and start the rebuild.