General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[G-Snarls]

5 minutes ago, Ray said:

Manoah's fall from grace has to be the most stark I think I've ever seen. Breaks into the league shortly after getting drafted. Looks like a legitimate top of the rotation arm in 2021-22. Starts game 1 in a playoff series for a legitimately good team with World Series aspirations in 2022. 

I don't recall some else having such a rapid ascent and staggering downfall in such short order

Up there with Ricky Romero

Who JP Ricciardi later said he regretted drafting LOL

[G-Snarls]

12 minutes ago, max silver said:

Holy f*** I didn't see a Manoah DFA being in the cards. He was sitting 90-91 MPH in his rehab stint though which wasn't ultra encouraging.

Couldn't they have just 60 day IL'd him through the off season?

[connorp2]

2 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

Up there with Ricky Romero

Who JP Ricciardi later said he regretted drafting LOL

Was just about to mention RR. 

[connorp2]

1 minute ago, G-Snarls said:

But couldn't they have 60 day IL'd him through the off season?

I’ll bet you he was being a cocky a-hole and Jays didn’t think the juice was worth the squeeze anymore. Even if he wasn’t looking good, an off-season can change a lot 

[glory]

Wow. Manoah must have looked like s*** in the minors. He’s arb eligible with 2 years of control left after this season, so no reason for the Jays to cut bait unless they think he’s toast (which he might be given how he looked in 2023). Curious to see where he ends up.

[G-Snarls]

Just now, glory said:

Wow. Manoah must have looked like s*** in the minors. He’s arb eligible with 2 years of control left after this season, so no reason for the Jays to cut bait unless they think he’s toast. Curious to see where he ends up.

Hopefully like Pittsburgh or something 

[Vancouverite]

gotta trust the Jays here they probably think his arm is toast.

worrisome that he wasn't able to regain his velocity, and his command has been very suspect.

[G-Snarls]

Anyone else think that maybe he was demanding to be called up to the big league team for the end of the season?

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[John_Havok]

21 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

Couldn't they have just 60 day IL'd him through the off season?

There is no 60 day dl in the offseason. When the season is over anyone on the 60 day IL has to be re-added to the 40 man roster if there's room, or DFA.

60 day IL comes back right around spring training start or shortly before.

[G-Snarls]

Just now, John_Havok said:

There is no 60 day dl in the offseason. When the season is over anyone on the 60 day IL has to be re-added to the 40 man roster if there's room, or DFA.

Forgot that 

Critical info. TY

[John_Havok]

1 minute ago, G-Snarls said:

Forgot that 

Critical info. TY

Yw.

Its likely just a numbers game, they have X number of guys on the 60 and only X number of pending FAs and obvious punts.

Combine that with the arb raise he would have got, and likely only be in the minors, spend the 4-5m elsewhere 

[max silver]

1 minute ago, John_Havok said:

Yw.

Its likely just a numbers game, they have X number of guys on the 60 and only X number of pending FAs and obvious punts.

Combine that with the arb raise he would have got, and likely only be in the minors, spend the 4-5m elsewhere 

Would Manoah still be eligible for a raise despite not barely pitching the last few sesaons?

[Jonn]

Kinda crazy but kind of have to trust the teams decision here. Just didn’t look like we would be here. He will have no shortage og suitors.

[Maahfaace]

Hmmm, so Easton Lucas has more value? Dillon Tate? There has to be more to it than this given that we are at the end of the season and he had options left. Could've been SP depth next season at the least, while hoping for a velo bump over the winter.

[Laika]

People only want to keep Manoah because of the sunk cost fallacy, basically 

Dude looked horrendous pre injury and he looks horrible now in the minors. It is what it is. Many random minor league free agents will supply better SP depth next year.

The org that signed Eric Lauer to a minor league deal can make better use of that 40 man spot.

[Maahfaace]

9 minutes ago, Laika said:

People only want to keep Manoah because of the sunk cost fallacy, basically 

Dude looked horrendous pre injury and he looks horrible now in the minors. It is what it is. Many random minor league free agents will supply better SP depth next year.

The org that signed Eric Lauer to a minor league deal can make better use of that 40 man spot.

Its more the timing of it, there really was no need to make this decision now. If they really were set on moving on from him, they could've at least entertained using him as a throw in peice in an off season trade before ultimately going the DFA route.

[L54]

I fully support DFA’ing Manoah, the guy is just a large Stroman 

[HomeRunHomer]

He was wild and his velocity wasn't great but also wasn't giving up all that many runs and didn't give up any earned runs in his last outing.  I think there has to be more to his DFA than just iffy performance.

 

[jaysblue]

18 hours ago, Jonn said:

Yea a personal and business version. As well as few others. They have concierge service and you can basically tell them the type of events you’re interested in. I get emails about big concerts, sporting events, even restaurants that you normally can’t get a table at. It’s really nice card to have if you travel atleast a handful times a year. You also get the tickets at market value because they scoop them before they are even on sale to the general public or scalpers can touch them.

I got a Platinum Card as well. I have heard of concierge service and have used them before (in 2016 to get tickets for the Dubai Open when I was there haha), but we can also call and use them to purchase Blue Jays tickets for us when they go on sale and pay face value? 

[jaysblue]

11 hours ago, jerb said:

 

Damnit I didn't have to drop Ty France in the LOD!

[jaysblue]

Detroit has a Postseason presale for their Tigers' insiders. Only selling WC and DS tickets however and nothing really good left, except real nosebleeds in the upper level or upper level seats in the outfield corners. Jays wouldn't face the Tigers anyways until the ALCS and heck they might not even make the Postseason lol. 

Ticket prices seem very reasonable for the ALDS however: 

 

[mphenhef]

12 hours ago, glory said:

Wow. Manoah must have looked like s*** in the minors. He’s arb eligible with 2 years of control left after this season, so no reason for the Jays to cut bait unless they think he’s toast (which he might be given how he looked in 2023). Curious to see where he ends up.

The first two to come to mind for me were Tampa and Pittsburgh.  I could see Tampa managing to turn him around to an extent.

[max silver]

7 hours ago, L54 said:

I fully support DFA’ing Manoah, the guy is just a large Stroman 

I don't think Manoah was nearly as bad as Stroman who repeatedly clashed with his teammates and was the biggest prima donna in the sport. His stuff might be nearly as bad now though which is a sad state of affairs.

[Big_Walleye]

14 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

Anyone else think that maybe he was demanding to be called up to the big league team for the end of the season?

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Of course he was.  I'm sure his rehab was fueled partly by wanting to be a part of a playoff team.  He's a competitor after all.  I would guess when he started to see the writing on the wall that he was asking questions at the very least.  We all know he has a bit of an attitude so who knows how those conversations went.

[mphenhef]

15 hours ago, John_Havok said:

There is no 60 day dl in the offseason. When the season is over anyone on the 60 day IL has to be re-added to the 40 man roster if there's room, or DFA.

60 day IL comes back right around spring training start or shortly before.

That's true, but they would also have Bieber, Scherzer, Bo, France, Seranthony, IKF and Bassitt coming off the 40.

[Jonn]

5 hours ago, jaysblue said:

I got a Platinum Card as well. I have heard of concierge service and have used them before (in 2016 to get tickets for the Dubai Open when I was there haha), but we can also call and use them to purchase Blue Jays tickets for us when they go on sale and pay face value? 

Yes just make sure you don’t wait and contact them right away because many others probably already have.

They will send emails to let you know what events are going on in your area. But you should be also be able to get yourself on a contact list for sports tickets when they become available. I don’t remember what I did exactly but I get them pretty commonly. I would imagine they get to reserve a certain amount of tickets but its a limited amount so if you want them you kind of have to jump on it.

[Jays24]

The worst part of losing Manoah is that we for sure could have traded him for something.  There is no way no team wouldn't have interest in him at a low price.  Also felt the same about Orvelis Martinez lol. 

[max silver]

7 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

The worst part of losing Manoah is that we for sure could have traded him for something.  There is no way no team wouldn't have interest in him at a low price.  Also felt the same about Orvelis Martinez lol. 

I don't know if it really matters if the club extracted an org guy by trading either of these two.

[G-Snarls]

10 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

The worst part of losing Manoah is that we for sure could have traded him for something.  There is no way no team wouldn't have interest in him at a low price.   

They can still potentially get something in trade for him.  The DFA just clears the roster spot immediately.  Hopefully a non-contender wants him enough that they'll trade us something for him instead of everyone waiting for him to clear and ne outrighted.  

[Spanky__99]

13 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

The worst part of losing Manoah is that we for sure could have traded him for something.  There is no way no team wouldn't have interest in him at a low price.  Also felt the same about Orvelis Martinez lol. 

If a team claims him, it can still be done.