Jays Acquiring Andres Gimenez

[Pendleton]

6 WAR Gimenez is back 

[G-Snarls]

20 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

6 WAR Gimenez is back 

I hope it lasts 

We'll see

[jaysblue]

On 12/23/2024 at 8:25 PM, saskjayfan said:

 

I'll tattoo a likeness of Ross Atkins on my ass cheek if Giminez puts up a 6 WAR season. I'm thinking 2.5 to 3.5 FWAR.

Haha is this still on?

[Terminator]

On 12/23/2024 at 6:25 PM, saskjayfan said:

 

I'll tattoo a likeness of Ross Atkins on my ass cheek if Giminez puts up a 6 WAR season. I'm thinking 2.5 to 3.5 FWAR.

Get ready to clench those cheeks pal

[Spanky99]

That was a fun read. 😅

[Laika]

Gimenez MVP SZN 

And Nicky Sandlin will be the glue guy for the entire bullpen. 75 innings incoming 

[Brownie19]

Top 5 trade in Jays history?  LOL

[Grant77]

On pace for 13 WAR and 97 home runs! Obviously that will continue.

Even just an average hitting (100 wRC+) Gimenez is a 4-5 WAR player, so this trade is a win if he does that. If he's back to MVP from then it's one of the best trades in team history. It's looking less and less likely that he's the player that Cleveland got in 2024.

[BatFlip]

13 hours ago, Terminator said:

Get ready to clench those cheeks pal

[Jonn]

5 games but 3 Homeruns already is crazy.

.638 OPS over 583 AB’s last Season. Feel people had the right to be skeptical.

Has been noticeably hitting the ball harder since Spring. Let’s hope it continues.

[Terminator]

 

[max silver]

2 hours ago, Jonn said:

5 games but 3 Homeruns already is crazy.

.638 OPS over 583 AB’s last Season. Feel people had the right to be skeptical.

Has been noticeably hitting the ball harder since Spring. Let’s hope it continues.

Too many fans only look at the latest season in isolation with zero regards to prior performances when formulating their opinions on a player. Gimenez is a perfect example of this.

[G-Snarls]

18 minutes ago, max silver said:

Too many fans only look at the latest season in isolation with zero regards to prior performances when formulating their opinions on a player. Gimenez is a perfect example of this.

Hopefully Guardians were just dumn

[max silver]

10 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

Hopefully Guardians were just dumn

The Gimenez trade felt primarily financially driven in nature. I recall shortly after the trade Cleveland GM Mike Chernoff stated on record that he felt that Gimenez was capable of making the necessary adjustments at the plate to return to being more productive offensively.

[BB17]

2 hours ago, max silver said:

Too many fans only look at the latest season in isolation with zero regards to prior performances when formulating their opinions on a player. Gimenez is a perfect example of this.

Vladdy and Bo as well. Coming into the year all you heard was Vladdy this and Vladdy and that meanwhile you didn't hear anything about Bo.

And fast forward to now and there is a very good chance Bo could out produce Vladdy this year.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, BB17 said:

Vladdy and Bo as well. Coming into the year all you heard was Vladdy this and Vladdy and that meanwhile you didn't hear anything about Bo.

And fast forward to now and there is a very good chance Bo could out produce Vladdy this year.

I think you don't hear much about extending Bo because he's made it clear he has no interest in doing that and will be hitting the open market.

[gruber9292]

It's sort of strange that Giminez put up bad offensive numbers (the past two years) with such a nice swing. Hopefully our staff found something and he has a breakout season. 

[L54]

5 hours ago, max silver said:

Too many fans only look at the latest season in isolation with zero regards to prior performances when formulating their opinions on a player. Gimenez is a perfect example of this.

[max silver]

52 minutes ago, L54 said:

Thanks for the Statcast copy/paste job, but you seem to have forgotten to mention what point you were actually trying to make.

[L54]

25 minutes ago, max silver said:

Thanks for the Statcast copy/paste job, but you seem to have forgotten to mention what point you were actually trying to make.

That the prior performances you are referencing aren’t as inspiring as you are making them out to be 

[BB17]

9 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

I think you don't hear much about extending Bo because he's made it clear he has no interest in doing that and will be hitting the open market.

Wasn’t even talking about extending either but just more about player performance in general. Bo had one bad year meanwhile Vladdy had a great year and it felt like Bo was being overlooked coming into the year as most important players.

[max silver]

14 hours ago, L54 said:

That the prior performances you are referencing aren’t as inspiring as you are making them out to be 

I didn't specifically reference any past performances directly, but thanks I guess.

I would tend to think that the 141 wRC+ that Gimenez produced in 2022 is at least somewhat inspiring, but perhaps your standards are better for some reason. He's never been a Statcast monster even in his best season, but the 2024 result saw him underperform the expected statistics to a decent degree, suggesting that the bat could have been pretty close to league average that season with a little better luck on batted balls.

[L54]

2 hours ago, max silver said:

I didn't specifically reference any past performances directly, but thanks I guess.

I would tend to think that the 141 wRC+ that Gimenez produced in 2022 is at least somewhat inspiring, but perhaps your standards are better for some reason. He's never been a Statcast monster even in his best season, but the 2024 result saw him underperform the expected statistics to a decent degree, suggesting that the bat could have been pretty close to league average that season with a little better luck on batted balls.

oh ok

[Omar]

On 4/1/2025 at 5:18 PM, gruber9292 said:

It's sort of strange that Giminez put up bad offensive numbers (the past two years) with such a nice swing. Hopefully our staff found something and he has a breakout season. 

It was too cold in Cleveland during April-May. The Rogers centre fixed him. 

[glory]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/big-and-sexy-an-inside-look-at-swing-changes-of-blue-jays-andres-gimenez/

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David Popkins can pinpoint the exact moment when the light bulb went off for Andrés Giménez. 

The Toronto Blue Jays hitting coach had been engaged in conversations with Gimenez about his swing mechanics ever since the club acquired the second baseman in the off-season. 

They'd worked on having Giménez add a leg kick, something that he had used in the past, but the change just didn't feel seamless to the left-handed hitter during the early days of spring training. He didn't want to stray too far from the toe-tap that he'd used across the past three seasons. 

Popkins felt Giménez could use some convincing and so that's when he pulled his ace card.

On March 3, when the Blue Jays were visiting the Detroit Tigers for a Grapefruit League game in Lakeland, Fla., Popkins showed Giménez a video from 2021. It featured the infielder playing for the Guardians' triple-A affiliate and, at the plate, he sported an open stance with a big coil of his front leg — something Giménez picked up while with the New York Mets in 2020 and carried with him after he was traded to Cleveland.  

Back then, Giménez produced some serious exit velocity and the Blue Jays coach assured him that it hadn't vanished. He simply needed to unearth it. 

So, Giménez decided to finally reinstate the leg kick to his swing. 

"It was instant," Popkins recalls. "That day, he hit (batting practice) and it looked like he was swinging at 50 per cent and he was hitting balls out. And he was like, 'I like that feeling.'"

That carried right into the game as Giménez blasted a 107.2-m.p.h triple to right-centre field and added a 99.6-m.p.h. double to the left-centre gap. 

"He was like, ‘Yeah, this feels really good,’” says Popkins. “And from there, he just took off."

 

 

[Brownie19]

F*cking right.  If these changes are sustainable, this could be a massive win for the organization.  We literally could be building around Gimenez moving forward.  Unreal.  It's about time some good stuff started happening to this team.

[Terminator]

The Gimenez and Kirk tandem are great building blocks.

26.8 million on the books and you can expect close to 8 WAR out of them.

 

[Laika]

Move aside, Bo-Vlad window.

Hello, Gimenez-Kirk window. 

Better defense up the middle. More reliable produkshun. Identical total WAR ceiling. Less ice-baths. Less pulled calvies. 

[max silver]

1 hour ago, Laika said:

Move aside, Bo-Vlad window.

Hello, Gimenez-Kirk window. 

Better defense up the middle. More reliable produkshun. Identical total WAR ceiling. Less ice-baths. Less pulled calvies. 

I'd still be totally on board with a Bo extension at this point. Vlad's shown himself to be a delusional greedy idiot and it's entirely possible the team may have dodged a massive bullet with Vlad turning down the already well above market value extension offer.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I wouldn't mind if they signed Varsho to a fair extension as well. He's young enough and provides stud CF defense and a league average bat, averaged about 3 fWAR per season for the last 3 seasons. Him, Kirk and Giminez could be a decent "up the middle" defensive trio to build around I think.