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[hanton]

White Sox just messed up an easy run down with Philly runners on 1st and 3rd, threw the ball away with the runner trying to go home; got no outs and the run scored.

 

checking in on Nastrini.

[Laika]

The Os lineup is so insane

 

It has like 8 studs in it every night and they are all home grown and almost all controllable for 4-6 more years

 

Westburg and Cowser his like 7th and 8th and have 1.000 OPS each

[Masterbather]

What I find funny is how the Yankees now love Soto and all his antics. I seem to remember them criticizing guys like Vlad and Springer for celebrating too much, its only April blah blah.

 

Now Soto is out there doing s*** way over the top (his homer last night) and apparently its ok now.

 

f***ing douches

As if every fan base is not exactly the same.

[jaysblue]

Seattle got a break against the Rockies in the bottom of the 9th. Said fan interference with Dylan Moore in left field.

[Brownie19]

For all those who suggest the Jays have no pitching depth and the FO did such a s***** job of creating depth...the Braves are starting Darius Vines for a 2nd game tonight. 26 year old pussballer.

 

Also can't believe AA traded away Contraras (even if Murphy is good) and the Dodgers just gave away Busch. Wow. It's almost like even very good GM's aren't perfect. Interesting.

[Spanky__99]

For all those who suggest the Jays have no pitching depth and the FO did such a s***** job of creating depth...the Braves are starting Darius Vines for a 2nd game tonight. 26 year old pussballer.

 

Also can't believe AA traded away Contraras (even if Murphy is good) and the Dodgers just gave away Busch. Wow. It's almost like even very good GM's aren't perfect. Interesting.

 

He's good depth though?

[Brownie19]

He's good depth though?

 

He's what SP'ing depth actually looks like on other good teams.....

[Laika]

The Rays are amazing.

 

Somehow milk 2 war out of Luke f***ing Raley with a 30% k rare then they trade him for a starting shortstop.

[Carlos Danger]

For all those who suggest the Jays have no pitching depth and the FO did such a s***** job of creating depth...the Braves are starting Darius Vines for a 2nd game tonight. 26 year old pussballer.

 

Also can't believe AA traded away Contraras (even if Murphy is good) and the Dodgers just gave away Busch. Wow. It's almost like even very good GM's aren't perfect. Interesting.

 

Who is our SP depth? I see Bowden Francis?

[Stangstag]

Who is our SP depth? I see Bowden Francis?

 

Our SP pitching depth was:

 

Francis - Meh results

Parsons - Garbo

White - Garbo

Y Rod - Great so far

Tiedemann - Injured

 

This is assuming Manoah should have been 5th starter but he also got injured

[Brownie19]

Our SP pitching depth was:

 

Francis - Meh results

Parsons - Garbo

White - Garbo

Y Rod - Great so far

Tiedemann - Injured

 

This is assuming Manoah should have been 5th starter but he also got injured

 

You know who's also garbo? Darius Vines and Allan Winans (the other depth starter that Atlanta has had to turn to this year), along with most of the starting pitching depth on good teams.

[Carlos Danger]

Our SP pitching depth was:

 

Francis - Meh results

Parsons - Garbo

White - Garbo

Y Rod - Great so far

Tiedemann - Injured

 

This is assuming Manoah should have been 5th starter but he also got injured

 

I made the post in context to who Atlanta is putting out there with their injuries.

 

The Braves are dealing with injuries and when it is all said and done still have Smith Shawver, Vines, and Winans, plus Ian Anderson if you want to count him, all on the 40 man.

 

We don't have Tidememann. If the org was counting on Manohoa it was piss poor planning and he hasn't shown anything different from last year yet, even when not injured.

 

Rodriguez is our 5th SP. If we lost Gausman,(= Strider) we would have Bowden Francis in the rotation. After that at this point, I have no clue...

[Eat My Shatkins]

You know who's also garbo? Darius Vines and Allan Winans (the other depth starter that Atlanta has had to turn to this year), along with most of the starting pitching depth on good teams.

 

Cracks me up every year people say the Jays have no starting depth like they think all the other teams have 7 or 8 proven MLB starters signed, some of them supposedly just fine pitching in AAA waiting for an injury.

 

Don't see many teams digging 8 starting pitchers deep for their MLB rotation and still throwing some stud out on the mound every game. By that point it's almost never a proven guy anymore and someone with warts or no experience, or both.

[BTS]

I made the post in context to who Atlanta is putting out there with their injuries.

 

The Braves are dealing with injuries and when it is all said and done still have Smith Shawver, Vines, and Winans, plus Ian Anderson if you want to count him, all on the 40 man.

 

We don't have Tidememann. If the org was counting on Manohoa it was piss poor planning and he hasn't shown anything different from last year yet, even when not injured.

 

Rodriguez is our 5th SP. If we lost Gausman,(= Strider) we would have Bowden Francis in the rotation. After that at this point, I have no clue...

 

I don’t think it’s clear that Francis and Manoah are worse than those Atlanta fill-ins

[Carlos Danger]

I don’t think it’s clear that Francis and Manoah are worse than those Atlanta fill-ins

 

Can we actually count Manoha as a viable MLB option? What metrics have we seen in either his body of work in the majors last year or AAA this year that we can viably say, ok, if X starter is injured we are going to start Manoha on Friday, IL or not..

 

Also, not even saying Atlanta's pitchers are necessarily better. My comment was, to Brownie's post, who is our current depth? Luckily we have all 5 of our starters healthy. If we were in the Braves shoes, I see Bowden Francis and that is all currently.

[Laika]

Can we actually count Manoha as a viable MLB option? What metrics have we seen in either his body of work in the majors last year or AAA this year that we can viably say, ok, if X starter is injured we are going to start Manoha on Friday, IL or not..

 

Also, not even saying Atlanta's pitchers are necessarily better. My comment was, to Brownie's post, who is our current depth? Luckily we have all 5 of our starters healthy. If we were in the Braves shoes, I see Bowden Francis and that is all currently.

 

Atlanta had a glass cannon Ace, who is now hurt

And then two geriatrics in Sale and Morton and a career reliever in Reynaldo Lopez

 

The two rotations never had and do not have the same risk profile

 

See Chris Bassitt's recent comments about not being part of a rotation that "chases velocity"

 

 

 

Being said you can even say good things about Toronto's depth if you have a more positive bias. Manoah in AAA trying to figure it out is arguably a luxury piece of depth. Francis has objectively good stuff per the models.

[Stangstag]

I made the post in context to who Atlanta is putting out there with their injuries.

 

The Braves are dealing with injuries and when it is all said and done still have Smith Shawver, Vines, and Winans, plus Ian Anderson if you want to count him, all on the 40 man.

 

We don't have Tidememann. If the org was counting on Manohoa it was piss poor planning and he hasn't shown anything different from last year yet, even when not injured.

 

Rodriguez is our 5th SP. If we lost Gausman,(= Strider) we would have Bowden Francis in the rotation. After that at this point, I have no clue...

 

That’s not really a fair assessment, since Manoah was supposed to be the 5th starter but got injured in spring.

[Carlos Danger]

Atlanta had a glass cannon Ace, who is now hurt

And then two geriatrics in Sale and Morton and a career reliever in Reynaldo Lopez

 

The two rotations never had and do not have the same risk profile

 

See Chris Bassitt's recent comments about not being part of a rotation that "chases velocity"

 

 

 

Being said you can even say good things about Toronto's depth if you have a more positive bias. Manoah in AAA trying to figure it out is arguably a luxury piece of depth. Francis has objectively good stuff per the models.

 

Not comparing starting 5 vs starting 5. I am comparing depth in case of injury. I already granted that Bowden Francis is depth.

 

Not even saying Atlanta's is great. I am saying we should not be, and are not in a position to brag about our SP depth. In response to Brownie's post.

[Carlos Danger]

That’s not really a fair assessment, since Manoah was supposed to be the 5th starter but got injured in spring.

 

What I am not understanding is how was Manoah legitimately being considered depth? His issues occurred at the start of the 2023 season. He made no progress during the whole 2023 campaign and then had that whole issue with refusing assignment to Buffalo etc and debate about if there was an injury.

 

Not like he went to the DR winter league and was lights out. There were no tangible metrics to show he was fixed and could be counted on.

 

When he has pitched this year, and not on the IL ,he has not shown the control to be a MLB starter.

 

To me that is like saying well, if my primary car breaks down, I have another car to get to work or the airport. However, you haven't been able to start that car for a year and are just praying it starts if needed.

 

Manoah is and was a lottery ticket at this point.. You might win, but wouldn't plan on using the ticket to pay your mortgage.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays had reasonable SP depth at start of the season. But you know, s*** happens.

 

There are retreads out there to be had if need be. Jays could also get creative and use Pearson as an opener and follow him with Y-Rod.

[Orgfiller]

Mason Miller is nasty. He threw 14 pitches, K'd all of Volpe, Soto and Judge swinging.

 

 

A's blank the Yankees at home.

[Orgfiller]

Also lol @ Carlos Rodon with 6 whiffs in 92 pitches against the Oakland A's.

[Terminator]

Jays had reasonable SP depth at start of the season. But you know, s*** happens.

 

There are retreads out there to be had if need be. Jays could also get creative and use Pearson as an opener and follow him with Y-Rod.

 

Yeah we had something like 10 names that were mildly interesting or better entering the year.

 

Bad:

-Two fringe MLB guys in White and Parsons bared their ass and are no longer on the team.

-Tiedemann looks to be seriously hurt.

-Chad Dallas sucks.

 

Meh:

-Francis has shown good stuff but got hit hard.

-Manoah looks to be in better shape and his most recent start was promising but he's looked like pooh otherwise.

 

Good:

-Yariel looks legit.

-Not a perfect start by any means but the 1-4 look strong moving forward. That in itself is depth.

-Adam Macko is off to a good start.

 

Also, the plethora of infield bench players is panning out at both the big league (Schneider, Clement) and AAA (Orelvis, Horwitz, etc.) levels. We could make a trade to shore up some pitching depth if it comes to it. Heck, we might HAVE to make a trade.

[Terminator]

Mason Miller is nasty. He threw 14 pitches, K'd all of Volpe, Soto and Judge swinging.

 

 

A's blank the Yankees at home.

 

You love to see it.

[Stangstag]

Jays had reasonable SP depth at start of the season. But you know, s*** happens.

 

There are retreads out there to be had if need be. Jays could also get creative and use Pearson as an opener and follow him with Y-Rod.

 

Ban

[Brownie19]

Not comparing starting 5 vs starting 5. I am comparing depth in case of injury. I already granted that Bowden Francis is depth.

 

Not even saying Atlanta's is great. I am saying we should not be, and are not in a position to brag about our SP depth. In response to Brownie's post.

 

FFS - I wasn't trying to suggest our SPing depth was fantastic. There is a narrative around here from some that suggests the FO always fails to address the teams SPing depth because we don't have a stable of studded prospects and/or provide veteran starters to fill in when injuries happen. I was just trying to point out that the SPing depth on other, very good teams, like the Braves, was really no different than what the Jays have.

[Laika]

Yeah we had something like 10 names that were mildly interesting or better entering the year.

 

Bad:

-Two fringe MLB guys in White and Parsons bared their ass and are no longer on the team.

-Tiedemann looks to be seriously hurt.

-Chad Dallas sucks.

 

Meh:

-Francis has shown good stuff but got hit hard.

-Manoah looks to be in better shape and his most recent start was promising but he's looked like pooh otherwise.

 

Good:

-Yariel looks legit.

-Not a perfect start by any means but the 1-4 look strong moving forward. That in itself is depth.

-Adam Macko is off to a good start.

 

Also, the plethora of infield bench players is panning out at both the big league (Schneider, Clement) and AAA (Orelvis, Horwitz, etc.) levels. We could make a trade to shore up some pitching depth if it comes to it. Heck, we might HAVE to make a trade.

 

I am sure Ross is trying to move one of the Buffalo guys for his AAA or AA SP equal. Something like Palmegiani for a bum like Gunnar Hoglund or JT Ginn.

[jaysblue]

For all those who suggest the Jays have no pitching depth and the FO did such a s***** job of creating depth...the Braves are starting Darius Vines for a 2nd game tonight. 26 year old pussballer.

 

Also can't believe AA traded away Contraras (even if Murphy is good) and the Dodgers just gave away Busch. Wow. It's almost like even very good GM's aren't perfect. Interesting.

 

I don't think anyone on here has said the very good GM's like AA are perfect. AA has made some mistakes or questionable decisions in Atlanta as well. Nothing wrong in questioning him. Yeah AA miscalculated the value of Contraras and trading him away was a mistake.

 

As for your comment about Atlanta's pitching depth, it's incorrect.

 

Darius Vines was pretty solid in the bigs last season and did pitch well in his first start this season. Solid minor league track record as well and is only 25. I mean he's nothing special but not a bad depth option if you need him for a couple of starts.

 

Braves also have Bryce Elder who is getting called up for tonight and likely now will take Strider's spot in the rotation on a full time basis. Elder is only 24 and was an All-Star last season and finished 12-4 with a 3.81 ERA in his 31 starts. Not bad for your 6th starter and he has proven he could pitch a full season out of the rotation.

 

Other options the Braves have: Huascar Ynoa, Dylan Dodd, AJ Smith-Shawver, and Allan Winans. As well, their top pick in the 2023 draft Hurston Waldrep could be MLB ready in July if he dominates in AAA.

 

So overall in total, I count 7 total viable possible SP options after their top 5 of Strider, Fried, Sale, Morton and Lopez.

[jaysblue]

You know who's also garbo? Darius Vines and Allan Winans (the other depth starter that Atlanta has had to turn to this year), along with most of the starting pitching depth on good teams.

 

Lmao you really are something.

[jaysblue]

Braves calling up Bryce Elder tonight and heading into this season was their 6th starter after losing out to Lopez in Spring Training for the final spot. Elder is only 24 and was an All-Star last season and finished 12-4 with a 3.81 ERA in his 31 starts. I'll take Elder as depth over someone like a train wreck in Manoah any day of the week.