General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[hanton]

...and we need bats right now

[G-Snarls]

...and we need bats right now

 

Do we ever

 

Have you SEEN today's lineup??

[Omar]

Do we ever

 

Have you SEEN today's lineup??

 

We are now building this team around offense (as of June 7,2024)........just a slight course adjustment for the Shapiro regime. Maybe no one will notice.

[James Key]

I kinda agree. Like doesn’t Horowitz provide a younger more well rounded, I sense the irony talking about vogelbach, version of DV? Maybe not the raw power but still good swinger from the left side?

 

IMO Cavan is replaced by the versatility of Schneider and IkF.

[AMS528]

vogel is the better bat

 

I guess. But except for one of the past five seasons Vogelbach has been worth a grand total of 0 WAR. Four of his last five seasons cancel out to nothing and the other one he was ok.

 

The last two seasons combined they've even had the same value as batters. Vogelbachs expected numbers are a lot better though, although I wouldn't be surprised if he's a consistent underperformer there.

[The_DH]

Do we ever

 

Have you SEEN today's lineup??

 

So we made the roster moves today to have Horwitz on the bench against a lefty pitcher.

[max silver]

I guess the Horwitz at bats will be a trial, see how he does. If good, and the team continues to suck, then trade off the designated hitters and bring up Barger.

 

Hopefully he gets more of a shot than Barger did.

[Spanky99]

It's not a very important move, and it's very marginal but I'm wondering why everyone is pleased it's Biggio and not Vogelbach when Biggio has at least consistently had positive value as a utility player and Vogelbach is pretty bad and provides nothing when he doesn't hit?

 

I don't get it.

[Masterbather]

 

Yep, can't say this one was a shocker.

[Laika]

Only silver lining with Manoah is that creeping ligament damage may explain the loss of stuff before 2023

 

Maybe tiny chance that when he returns he's 2022 Manoah again.

[glory]

Sucks for Manoah as that likely takes him out of 2025 as well (or at least most of it). The 2025 rotation looks like Gausman, Berrios, Bassitt, and then a whole bunch of uncertainty.

[hanton]

[jaysblue]

Sucks for Manoah as that likely takes him out of 2025 as well (or at least most of it). The 2025 rotation looks like Gausman, Berrios, Bassitt, and then a whole bunch of uncertainty.

 

Probably Rodriguez gets one of those spots? Could also always add another starter during the offseason via free agency or trade. Shouldn't be too difficult.

 

Gausman, Berrios and Bassitt will all be another year older however.

[Laika]

Y Rod, Tiedemann, Francis, Macko are at least decent SP5 options

 

Will definitely need another reliable option or two if they want to compete

[max silver]

Probably Rodriguez gets one of those spots? Could also always add another starter during the offseason via free agency or trade. Shouldn't be too difficult.

 

Gausman, Berrios and Bassitt will all be another year older however.

 

I would expect that Kikuchi would likely be interested in remaining with the team but I don't know if there will be available payroll to make this happen.

 

It's not outside the realm of possibility Manoah could make a late season return much as Ryu was able to make about a year after his own Tommy John surgery.

[The_DH]

Well, we have 2 free 40 man roster spots now (Biggio's and Manoah will go 60 day) so we could make a move here. Mitch White for a minor league deal?

[jaysblue]

I would expect that Kikuchi would likely be interested in remaining with the team but I don't know if there will be available payroll to make this happen.

 

It's not outside the realm of possibility Manoah could make a late season return much as Ryu was able to make about a year after his own Tommy John surgery.

 

As well, Boras is his agent so could be tough, but you never know.

 

Sucks about Manoah since he had a couple good starts and looked like he figured things out.

 

Should be able to find another mid-rotation starter and roll with one of the guys Laika mentioned in the No. 5 spot. Just gotta hope Gausman and Berrios don't have a significant drop-off. Same with Bassitt.

[The_DH]

Y Rod, Tiedemann, Francis, Macko are at least decent SP5 options

 

Will definitely need another reliable option or two if they want to compete

 

Forget YRod this year as a starter. 2-3 innings does not a starter make. Same probably for Ricky T. Macko interests me a bit. But our pitching is thin. Very thin.

[Spanky99]

Forget YRod this year as a starter. 2-3 innings does not a starter make. Same probably for Ricky T. Macko interests me a bit. But our pitching is thin. Very thin.

 

They're talking about next season.

[Laika]

Forget YRod this year as a starter. 2-3 innings does not a starter make. Same probably for Ricky T. Macko interests me a bit. But our pitching is thin. Very thin.

 

We are talking about 2025

[Carlos Danger]

Cody Poteet went to the scrap heap from the Marlins after his IL stint. He has showed promise with the Marlins. KC picked him up that I thought was smart. Then the Yankees ended up picking him up. He has made spot starts all year with very good success. He pitched almost 5 inning of shutout baseball tonight against the Dodgers.

 

Poteet is someone the Jays could have and should have jumped on in the off season as one example.

[Laika]

Cody Poteet went to the scrap heap from the Marlins after his IL stint. He has showed promise with the Marlins. KC picked him up that I thought was smart. Then the Yankees ended up picking him up. He has made spot starts all year with very good success. He pitched almost 5 inning of shutout baseball tonight against the Dodgers.

 

Poteet is someone the Jays could have and should have jumped on in the off season as one example.

 

This kind of stuff is unconvincing though. Bad argument.

 

You can cherry pick good scrap heap signings other teams made every single year...

[Carlos Danger]

This kind of stuff is unconvincing though. Bad argument.

 

You can cherry pick good scrap heap signings other teams made every single year...

 

For me it has do to with organizational ability to identify and develop pithing. He was the perfect type of candidate the Blue jays should have taken a flyer on considering their lack of actual credible depth.

 

The Yankees are able to identify and develop, Thorpe, Ortiz, Vasquez, King to get them Soto, they traded away Sears, Montgomery, have Gil and Schmidt (IL) in the rotation. Call up Poteet for three emergency starts.

 

Pitches 6 inning against the Guardians for a win, beats the Giant for the win, and pitches shutout baseball against the Dodgers.

 

Maybe it is the selection process and development.

[Laika]

Yeah the Jays suck at development everyone agrees

 

But the one thing they are good at is selecting players from the FA pile. Even Y Rod this year, injury notwithstanding, looks like a good one.

[max silver]

Yeah the Jays suck at development everyone agrees

 

But the one thing they are good at is selecting players from the FA pile. Even Y Rod this year, injury notwithstanding, looks like a good one.

 

The Jays have had quite a bit of success with struggling MLB starters (Ray, Matz, Stripling etc.) but haven't had much success with scrap heap types.

[Carlos Danger]

Well, we have 2 free 40 man roster spots now (Biggio's and Manoah will go 60 day) so we could make a move here. Mitch White for a minor league deal?

 

Why the F do you want to bring Mitch White back?? To take up a 40 man spot?

[The_DH]

we're going to have a pitching problem in a little while. With Romano hurt and only 4 starters, it's going to be like the beginning of the season was but now the defense has been down-graded a touch. The pitching is going to be seriously stretched.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Hopefully some of these bullpen guys can get healthy and perform so at the very least they can be dealt to clear salary and bring in some lottery ticket prospects.

 

If the bullpen is going to lay fat turds all season long we might as well thrust some of the younger cheaper guys into more prominant roles to see if they can excel and also bring up some of the younger cheaper arms from AAA and AA.

 

Let's see Pearson closing, let's see some of Cooke, Danner, Fluharty, Juenger, Pardinho, Burnette.

[keggy]

It's not a very important move, and it's very marginal but I'm wondering why everyone is pleased it's Biggio and not Vogelbach when Biggio has at least consistently had positive value as a utility player and Vogelbach is pretty bad and provides nothing when he doesn't hit?

 

Vogelbach is probably insurance in case Horwitz struggles in the majors.

[Spanky99]

Hopefully some of these bullpen guys can get healthy and perform so at the very least they can be dealt to clear salary and bring in some lottery ticket prospects.

 

If the bullpen is going to lay fat turds all season long we might as well thrust some of the younger cheaper guys into more prominant roles to see if they can excel and also bring up some of the younger cheaper arms from AAA and AA.

 

Let's see Pearson closing, let's see some of Cooke, Danner, Fluharty, Juenger, Pardinho, Burnette.

 

Yeah, no thanks to that.