General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Jays24]

RF Springer

SS Bo

1B Vlad

DH Turner

C Kirk/Jansen

LF Varsho

2B Biggio/Schneider

3B IFK

CF KK

 

Holy s*** I wanted to puke typing this lineup out. Please for the love of God get one more impact bat. That might be the worst bottom 4 from all teams trying to get into the playoffs. Not only does the lineup suck, it has 0 balance since all our lefties suck lol.

[Brownie19]

No impressed at all by Atkins moves this off season. He do lazy and mediocre work to improve the team. Also he was played by Ohtani agent like a noob, will go in arbitration with his best player (good luck if he want sign him long term after) Won't be surprised if he trade Tidermann and Manoah to get another OF with few years of control, but max 3 war

 

Go away.

[Jonn]

 

Not sure if Vlad is good enough to be a cover athlete but I’m happy for him and it’s a good looking cover.

 

Plus they put Jazz Chisholm on the cover last year and he might be the worst cover athlete ot any sports game all time that wasn’t a country exclusive. He’s not even a top 20 OF in Baseball. Bizarre choice. Injuries have really limited him though.

[G-Snarls]

Plus they put Jazz Chisholm on the cover last year and he might be the worst cover athlete ot any sports game all time that wasn’t a country exclusive. He’s not even a top 20 OF in Baseball. Bizarre choice. Injuries have really limited him though.

 

"Personality"

[wilko]

Not sure if Vlad is good enough to be a cover athlete but I’m happy for him and it’s a good looking cover.

 

Plus they put Jazz Chisholm on the cover last year and he might be the worst cover athlete ot any sports game all time that wasn’t a country exclusive. He’s not even a top 20 OF in Baseball. Bizarre choice. Injuries have really limited him though.

 

Their choices can be bizarre. What kind of dirt does Jizz have on the MLB?

[RobinThicc]

Flop offseason but they should still be able to win 90 games

[G-Snarls]

Flop offseason but they should still be able to win 90 games

 

And it might not be fun to watch

[Rimar]

I prefer:

LF-Springer

SS-Bichette

1B-Vlad

DH-Soler

RF-Bellinger

3B-Turner

C-Kirk/Jansen

CF-Varsho/KK

2B-IKF/Biggio

[Jays24]

And it might not be fun to watch

 

They were horrible entertainment last year and they've gotten worse offensively this offseason. Gonna be hoping for a lot of 2-1 wins this year lol

[RustyTrombone]

I prefer:

LF-Springer

SS-Bichette

1B-Vlad

DH-Soler

RF-Bellinger

3B-Turner

C-Kirk/Jansen

CF-Varsho/KK

2B-IKF/Biggio

 

Why stop there? Sign Snell too since clearly in your dreamland scenario the Jays have infinite money

[max silver]

RF Springer

SS Bo

1B Vlad

DH Turner

C Kirk/Jansen

LF Varsho

2B Biggio/Schneider

3B IFK

CF KK

 

Holy s*** I wanted to puke typing this lineup out. Please for the love of God get one more impact bat. That might be the worst bottom 4 from all teams trying to get into the playoffs. Not only does the lineup suck, it has 0 balance since all our lefties suck lol.

 

The bottom 4 is not exactly awe inspiring but isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. Biggio/Schneider will most likely be above 100 wRC+, Varsho is projected for anywhere from 99-107 wRC+ and Kiermaier is coming off a 104 wRC+ season and has had an above average bat in 2 of the last 3 seasons.

Edited January 31, 2024 by max silver

[Jays24]

The bottom 4 is not exactly awe inspiring but isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. Biggio/Schneider will most likely be above 100 wRC+, Varsho is projected for anywhere from 99-196 wRC+ and Kiermaier is coming off a 104 wRC+ season and has had an above average bat in 2 of the last 3 seasons.

 

I enjoy that you're a glass half full guy. It balances me being a glass half empty guy lol.

 

Also you might want to recheck your numbers... 99-196 wRC+ is quite the range for Varsho lol.

 

And if you look at each of the players alone, they aren't as bad because they'd all be batting 8th/9th in most good lineups. Then you realize that all those guys and IFK will be taking majority of their ABs on the same team is when some begin to panic lol.

[Jays24]

So when we can start our yearly Jose Ramirez rumours? He is the perfect fit and solves almost every problem we have currently lol.

[Terminator]

RF Springer

SS Bo

1B Vlad

DH Turner

C Kirk/Jansen

LF Varsho

2B Biggio/Schneider

3B IFK

CF KK

 

Holy s*** I wanted to puke typing this lineup out. Please for the love of God get one more impact bat. That might be the worst bottom 4 from all teams trying to get into the playoffs. Not only does the lineup suck, it has 0 balance since all our lefties suck lol.

 

Puke if you want but that's a top 10 offense!

[Jays24]

Puke if you want but that's a top 10 offense!

 

Top 10 out of 15 teams in the AL right? Lol

 

We need to be comparing ourselves to the playoff teams and see where our offense ranks in comparison to them. We got the pitching, defense and bullpen to compete but the offense will hold us back again. It is far too weak when ONLY looking at the contenders.

[Terminator]

Top 10 out of 15 teams in the AL right? Lol

 

We need to be comparing ourselves to the playoff teams and see where our offense ranks in comparison to them. We got the pitching, defense and bullpen to compete but the offense will hold us back again. It is far too weak when ONLY looking at the contenders.

 

It's very comparable to most of the contenders. Definitely not elite like the Braves or Dodgers but last year we had a higher wRC+ than the Phillies and Orioles, for example. And that was with half the team hitting like complete ass.

[Jays24]

It's very comparable to most of the contenders. Definitely not elite like the Braves or Dodgers but last year we had a higher wRC+ than the Phillies and Orioles, for example. And that was with half the team hitting like complete ass.

 

Hope you're right man because i dont see it currently. The only guy I truly expect a big bounce back from is Vlad.

[max silver]

I enjoy that you're a glass half full guy. It balances me being a glass half empty guy lol.

 

Also you might want to recheck your numbers... 99-196 wRC+ is quite the range for Varsho lol.

 

And if you look at each of the players alone, they aren't as bad because they'd all be batting 8th/9th in most good lineups. Then you realize that all those guys and IFK will be taking majority of their ABs on the same team is when some begin to panic lol.

 

Yeah definitely had a bit of fat finger syndrome there as the Varsho projections range from 99-106 wRC+.

[Spanky99]

Need this guy to rake...

 

[Sorrow]

I heard that interview with Guerrero and he acknowledged he was hurt a lot last season so his off season workouts were designed around injury prevention.

[Olerud363]

I heard that interview with Guerrero and he acknowledged he was hurt a lot last season so his off season workouts were designed around injury prevention.

 

I think he's had wrist/hand problems in one way or another since early 2022.

 

Early 2022 he got stepped on in Yankee stadium. Hit 2 mammoth home runs after that and another a couple of days later, but that was the last of '2021' Vlad we saw for a while. I wonder if maybe he hurt his hand when it got stepped on and then swinging like a mad man for the next 3 days, made it worse long term.

 

Early 2023 he was off to a .300 .380 .550 start then hurt his wrist first week of May. Sat 2 games, came back and played everyday but not the same.

 

Just some baseless non-insider speculation from watching the games on MLB TV.

[Spanky99]

I heard that interview with Guerrero and he acknowledged he was hurt a lot last season so his off season workouts were designed around injury prevention.

 

Yeah, it's in the tweet.

[deanmike]

My guess is Vlad Jr "stays behind"

[Laika]

Some people around here complain about Atkins and Shapiro an awful lot when you could attribute like, 90% of the Jays problems to Vlad Jr. Specifically Vlad Jr.

 

That's just what happens when you have a #1 overall prospect, with generational hitting talent, and you build around them as a "franchise player", and then they end up getting worse as they get more expensive. And then they lay an egg in 2023.

 

There is only so much a front office can do to build around a specific, important, central individual failure like that.

 

 

Most of the people who are mad at Shatkins think the offense looks mediocre. Would it look mediocre if everything else was the same but Vlad was coming off of a 40 HR, MVP type season?

 

What does 2023 look like if Vlad shows up at all?

 

What does 2022 look like if Vlad doesn't lose 3.5 fWAR off his production?

 

What does 2020 look like if Vlad doesn't enter the league as a disappointing, replacement level groundball machine?

 

Vlad, Vlad, Vlad, Vlad. It's all about VLAD.

[Stangstag]

Some people around here complain about Atkins and Shapiro an awful lot when you could attribute like, 90% of the Jays problems to Vlad Jr. Specifically Vlad Jr.

 

That's just what happens when you have a #1 overall prospect, with generational hitting talent, and you build around them as a "franchise player", and then they end up getting worse as they get more expensive. And then they lay an egg in 2023.

 

There is only so much a front office can do to build around a specific, important, central individual failure like that.

 

 

Most of the people who are mad at Shatkins think the offense looks mediocre. Would it look mediocre if everything else was the same but Vlad was coming off of a 40 HR, MVP type season?

 

What does 2023 look like if Vlad shows up at all?

 

What does 2022 look like if Vlad doesn't lose 3.5 fWAR off his production?

 

What does 2020 look like if Vlad doesn't enter the league as a disappointing, replacement level groundball machine?

 

Vlad, Vlad, Vlad, Vlad. It's all about VLAD.

 

Yup he was supposed to be a franchise cornerstone player like Pujols. He’s had exactly 1 season where he showed he’s that guy but the other 3 seasons have been disappointing.

 

We were hoping Vlad would be more like Pujols or Freeman, instead he’s been more like Mark Teixeira-Lite or Prince Fielder-Lite

[MikeM3]

Some people around here complain about Atkins and Shapiro an awful lot when you could attribute like, 90% of the Jays problems to Vlad Jr. Specifically Vlad Jr.

 

That's just what happens when you have a #1 overall prospect, with generational hitting talent, and you build around them as a "franchise player", and then they end up getting worse as they get more expensive. And then they lay an egg in 2023.

 

There is only so much a front office can do to build around a specific, important, central individual failure like that.

 

 

Most of the people who are mad at Shatkins think the offense looks mediocre. Would it look mediocre if everything else was the same but Vlad was coming off of a 40 HR, MVP type season?

 

What does 2023 look like if Vlad shows up at all?

 

What does 2022 look like if Vlad doesn't lose 3.5 fWAR off his production?

 

What does 2020 look like if Vlad doesn't enter the league as a disappointing, replacement level groundball machine?

 

Vlad, Vlad, Vlad, Vlad. It's all about VLAD.

 

Ya but they hired Dave Hudgens to help him hit lol

 

Alot of baseball is just scientists telling the players what to do. Set it and forget it is from 20 years ago

[wilko]

I heard that interview with Guerrero and he acknowledged he was hurt a lot last season so his off season workouts were designed around injury prevention.

 

Hopefully fat prevention as well.

[wamco]

Yup he was supposed to be a franchise cornerstone player like Pujols. He’s had exactly 1 season where he showed he’s that guy but the other 3 seasons have been disappointing.

 

We were hoping Vlad would be more like Pujols or Freeman, instead he’s been more like Mark Teixeira-Lite or Prince Fielder-Lite

 

Recency bias! 3 years out of 4 should be ignored. Projections say he is an absolute beast next year

[Laika]

Ya but they hired Dave Hudgens to help him hit lol

 

Alot of baseball is just scientists telling the players what to do. Set it and forget it is from 20 years ago

 

I have a habit of carrying water for Mr. Ross Atkins but I would guess that they've tried a little bit more than that

 

Vlad doesn't exactly strike me as the type of player who is receptive to hitting instruction

 

Some even thought the Jays hitting issues last year were caused in part by having TOO MANY COOKS on the hitting side. Some of those cooks have been younger guys or nerds. They had a Rays style nerd coach.

[deanmike]

Some people around here complain about Atkins and Shapiro an awful lot when you could attribute like, 90% of the Jays problems to Vlad Jr. Specifically Vlad Jr.

 

That's just what happens when you have a #1 overall prospect, with generational hitting talent, and you build around them as a "franchise player", and then they end up getting worse as they get more expensive. And then they lay an egg in 2023.

 

There is only so much a front office can do to build around a specific, important, central individual failure like that.

 

 

Most of the people who are mad at Shatkins think the offense looks mediocre. Would it look mediocre if everything else was the same but Vlad was coming off of a 40 HR, MVP type season?

 

What does 2023 look like if Vlad shows up at all?

 

What does 2022 look like if Vlad doesn't lose 3.5 fWAR off his production?

 

What does 2020 look like if Vlad doesn't enter the league as a disappointing, replacement level groundball machine?

 

Vlad, Vlad, Vlad, Vlad. It's all about VLAD.

 

100% agree, this guy does not get close to enough blame given the amount of blame that he deserves for the organizations internal expectations not being met.