Former Blue Jays Thread

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Moreno is a poor framer and DRS believes he's the second coming of Yadier Molina (who was, unsurprisingly, one of the best framers of all time). That's where the massive (2+ wins) difference in rWAR and fWAR are coming from. OAA still thinks he's a good defensive catcher, albeit more good than great due to the aforementioned framing issues.

 

Fun fact: Varsho is 0.4 dWAR behind Moreno, as DRS believes he's Brett Gardner in LF and Kevin Kiermaier in CF. He has 27 DRS combined, 17 of which are attributed to his CF defense - which is as much as KK has but Varsho has accrued it in half the innings.

 

Moreno is a poor framer by every available metric. He gains a huge boost from DRS adjusted catcher ERA which from what I can gather is a measure of game calling ability behind the plate. Perhaps the Yadier Molina comp is still valid, just not in the realm of framing.

 

How do you measure Adjusted Earned Runs Saved?

 

Much more than simple Catcher ERA, Adjusted Earned Runs Saved accounts for the quality of the pitching staff the catcher works with. There are still many other variables in play and some noise in the results, so we regress the final data to a more reasonable scale.

 

https://fieldingbible.com/Fielding-Bible-FAQ.asp

[Terminator]

It looks like 25 year old future superstar Nick Frasso has been transferred to the Development List.

 

Congrats to him on his new career high of 93 innings. 19.1 of those innings were in AAA where he put up a 6.49 xFIP.

[Pendleton]

[Terminator]

 

Lol bring him back. We need more *******s on the team. Too many vanilla personalities or good time charlies.

[Krylian]

20 year anniversary yesterday.... He made it look so easy. Look at the effortless swing...

 

[Krylian]

It looks like 25 year old future superstar Nick Frasso has been transferred to the Development List.

 

Congrats to him on his new career high of 93 innings. 19.1 of those innings were in AAA where he put up a 6.49 xFIP.

 

Future Jordan Romano

[Jonn]

Lol bring him back. We need more *******s on the team. Too many vanilla personalities or good time charlies.

 

Especially that beta Varsho

[wilko]

Lol bring him back. We need more *******s on the team. Too many vanilla personalities or good time charlies.

 

Even if he was on the bench. He'd get the team fired up.

[Omar]

 

Edit: Already posted elsewhere I see.

[Masterbather]

Even if he was on the bench. He'd get the team fired up.

 

I feel like you need to be good enough to be the kind of ******* JD is, he no longer is good enough to be doing that.

[Olerud363]

20 year anniversary yesterday.... He made it look so easy. Look at the effortless swing...

 

 

At age 24 Delgado and Guerrero are the same! .270 25 93 guys with 1 WAR or so and some power but dissapointing power compared to their peers and man strength.

 

Crazy how they took completely different paths to get to that stage at age 24.

 

Delgado couldn't stick a couple of times and spent some time destroying the international league, his age 24 season was his first full season, first season with more than 150 at bats.

 

Guerrero played every day since he was 20 and is in his 5th full season, including an MVP like season.

 

But at 24 they are the same. Hopefully Guerrero just follows Delgado until age 36, then his last 4 years are also better and he just puts massive counting stats.

[Masterbather]

 

Edit: Already posted elsewhere I see.

 

While JD is a prick, is this the kind of story you want to be putting out there with your team winning the division and about to go to the postseason?

 

Fatso should shut the f*** up. Keep it in house instead of trying to make yourself look like an alpha fatty.

[thatoneguy]

20 year anniversary yesterday.... He made it look so easy. Look at the effortless swing...

 

 

The fourth one off the Windows restaurant was an absolutely titanic blast. Remember watching that live and it was the dumbest thing.

[jaysblue]

20 year anniversary yesterday.... He made it look so easy. Look at the effortless swing...

 

 

I remember that game back in 2003.

 

Miss Delgado a lot! Such a great hitter!

[MikeM3]

While JD is a prick, is this the kind of story you want to be putting out there with your team winning the division and about to go to the postseason?

 

Fatso should shut the f*** up. Keep it in house instead of trying to make yourself look like an alpha fatty.

 

Its ball busting dude

[BigCecil]

The Hurl won the bet Varsho > LGJ on season WAR 2023, but not the kicker that he would pass LGJ by August.

 

Varsho ends the season with 2.2 WAR and LGJ ends up with 2.1

 

Wall scraper. Not what we hoped.

[Terminator]

Speaking of bets, does anyone know who had more WAR on a per dollar basis this year between KK and Bellinger? Would love to know the calculations for both fWAR and bWAR. Thanks.

[John_Havok]

Speaking of bets, does anyone know who had more WAR on a per dollar basis this year between KK and Bellinger? Would love to know the calculations for both fWAR and bWAR. Thanks.

 

Belli fWAR 4.1, bWAR 4.4, 17.5 million

KK fWAR 2.6, bWAR 3.9, 9 million

 

KK wins easily on bWAR the math there is obvious.

 

On fWAR, KK 3.46 million per win, Belli 4.27 million per win.

 

KK with a sweep in better value in a vacuum.

 

Arguable as to who was worth more overall to each team given the Cubs fell short, Jays got a WC. Let the debate begin.

[Grant77]

Belli fWAR 4.1, bWAR 4.4, 17.5 million

KK fWAR 2.6, bWAR 3.9, 9 million

 

KK wins easily on bWAR the math there is obvious.

 

On fWAR, KK 3.46 million per win, Belli 4.27 million per win.

 

KK with a sweep in better value in a vacuum.

 

Arguable as to who was worth more overall to each team given the Dodgers got the division, Jays only a WC. Let the debate begin.

 

The Cubs missed the playoffs with Bellinger, I'm sure you know he"s no longer on the Dodgers. Pretty great brain fart though haha.

[G-Snarls]

Belli fWAR 4.1, bWAR 4.4, 17.5 million

KK fWAR 2.6, bWAR 3.9, 9 million

 

KK wins easily on bWAR the math there is obvious.

 

On fWAR, KK 3.46 million per win, Belli 4.27 million per win.

 

KK with a sweep in better value in a vacuum.

 

Arguable as to who was worth more overall to each team given the Dodgers got the division, Jays only a WC. Let the debate begin.

 

Both were good signings

[John_Havok]

The Cubs missed the playoffs with Bellinger, I'm sure you know he"s no longer on the Dodgers. Pretty great brain fart though haha.

f*** me I was hoping to edit that before anyone caught it.

 

Suck balls bug boy

[Brownie19]

The Hurl won the bet Varsho > LGJ on season WAR 2023, but not the kicker that he would pass LGJ by August.

 

Varsho ends the season with 2.2 WAR and LGJ ends up with 2.1

 

Wall scraper. Not what we hoped.

 

I think there was a time in August when Varsho was ahead of LGJ in WAR though. They flip flopped often over the last couple of months I believe.

[BigCecil]

Ya the bet was by Aug 1st through. He didn’t by then.

[Spanky99]

I think there was a time in August when Varsho was ahead of LGJ in WAR though. They flip flopped often over the last couple of months I believe.

 

It had to be by August 1... he missed it by a few days.

[Terminator]

KK with a sweep in better value

 

Thanks that's all I needed to hear.

[Spanky99]

Thanks that's all I needed to hear.

 

lol

[jaysblue]

Both KK and Belly ended up to be fantastic signings. KK came with lower risk since he only cost $9M vs. Bellinger at $17.5M. Just needed KK to stay healthy for the most part and play solid defense in CF, which he did. You needed Belly to make huge adjustments offensively in order to get solid value or else you were paying close to $18M for just a solid defensive player.

 

Jays would have benefited more having Bellinger's bat in the lineup given the rest of this lineups struggles. But oh well, can't complain about what KK has provided for this club!

[BigCecil]

Teoscar:

 

2020 Blown out in wildcard by Rays.

2021 Misses playoffs by a game for Jays.

2022 Hits 2 bombs in Game 2 vs SEA only to see team blow 8-1 lead.

2023 Misses playoffs by a game for SEA.

 

Glass half full he isn't toiling away in obscurity like Trout. Glass half empty his post season encounters have been pretty hollow thus far. For sure he knows getting in or not can be a razor's edge.

[jaysblue]

Teoscar:

 

2020 Blown out in wildcard by Rays.

2021 Misses playoffs by a game for Jays.

2022 Hits 2 bombs in Game 2 vs SEA only to see team blow 8-1 lead.

2023 Misses playoffs by a game for SEA.

 

Glass half full he isn't toiling away in obscurity like Trout. Glass half empty his post season encounters have been pretty hollow thus far. For sure he knows getting in or not can be a razor's edge.

 

That's why the Jays traded him

[max silver]

That's why the Jays traded him

 

Because he's a walking bad luck omen? It certainly does seem like misfortune follows the poor guy wherever he goes. Maybe next season he can break the curse if he comes back to the Blue Jays in free agency.