Former Blue Jays Thread

[Orgfiller]

Wonder if the D'backs offer Gurriel a QO. He'll have to continue these types of numbers all season.

 

Unless he keeps up his current 130 wRC+ en route to a 3+ WAR season almost no chance he gets a QO. His RoS projections have him ending the year as a fairly average 2 WAR corner OF with decent offense and bad/awful defense with negative baserunning contributions. Those guys don't get $18M for a year, even if Gurriel can and does ultimately end up receiving more of a 3/30 type of contract.

 

Edit: it's actually more extreme than I thought. He has a 140 wRC+ but only 0.6 WAR. Even if he keeps his current hitting up he'll be "on pace" for a <3 WAR season.

[Orgfiller]

Speaking of butchers who can hit. Masataka Yoshida has a 155 wRC+ with elite metrics across the board for hitting but also only has a 0.6 WAR because of how awful his fielding and baserunning are. Kind of insane that a 29 year old 5'8 guy who's 180 lbs soaking wet can be this elite of a hitter but completely unathletic when it comes to every other facet of baseball. He's David Ortiz in the body of David Eckstein.

[Stangstag]

Speaking of butchers who can hit. Masataka Yoshida has a 155 wRC+ with elite metrics across the board for hitting but also only has a 0.6 WAR because of how awful his fielding and baserunning are. Kind of insane that a 29 year old 5'8 guy who's 180 lbs soaking wet can be this elite of a hitter but completely unathletic when it comes to every other facet of baseball. He's David Ortiz in the body of David Eckstein.

 

So he’s basically Japanese Juan Soto

[Laika]

gonna call him Wan Kyoto now

[Spanky99]

Handsome Jake was just called up for the Chisox, he's back baby!

 

Tellez has 10 jacks.

[Pendleton]

[Eat My Shatkins]

Man what I wouldn't do to have 2019 ken Giles on this roster. The guy was absolutely filthy.

[John_Havok]

Man what I wouldn't do to have 2019 ken Giles on this roster. The guy was absolutely filthy.

 

Would make punting Bass very very easy.

[THANOS]

 

I really hope we're one of those teams.

[jaysblue]

I picked up Ken Giles in the LOD.

[Orgfiller]

I really hope we're one of those teams.

 

Man, Giles has barely thrown any competitive pitches since 2019. Sure, the team should do their due diligence, but I wouldn't be too concerned if they choose to pass on him. He's almost certainly cooked.

[jaysblue]

Man, Giles has barely thrown any competitive pitches since 2019. Sure, the team should do their due diligence, but I wouldn't be too concerned if they choose to pass on him. He's almost certainly cooked.

 

I would have been concerned some other manager in the LOD would have scooped him up, so I said to myself have to make a quick move.

[G-Snarls]

Mlbtr

 

Mariners’ Offseason Trade Acquisitions Off To Slow Starts

 

May 11th, 2023 at 3:20pm CST • By Anthony Franco

 

The Mariners mostly shied away from the free agent market on the heels of their drought-ending playoff berth. Instead, Seattle turned to trade to add to a lineup that had been a bit top-heavy in 2022. Their two most notable transactions took place within the first few weeks of the offseason: reliever Erik Swanson and pitching prospect Adam Macko were shipped to Toronto for slugger Teoscar Hernández, while the M’s dealt Jesse Winker and Abraham Toro to the Brewers for second baseman Kolten Wong.

 

Both Hernández and Wong are in their final seasons before free agency. Milwaukee had exercised a $10MM club option on Wong before trading him in what amounted to a roughly cash-neutral deal considering they took back Winker’s salary. Seattle took on a decent chunk of 2023 money to accommodate Hernández, who’d earn $14MM for his final season of arbitration eligibility (compared to the $1.25MM Swanson is making in his first of three arbitration years).

 

 

 

Hernández, in particular, could eventually net the club a compensatory draft choice by rejecting a qualifying offer and signing elsewhere next offseason. Yet both trades were primarily about bolstering the lineup in 2023 while avoiding the longer-term downside associated with a multi-year free agent deal.

 

To this point, neither player has met Seattle’s expectations. Hernández is sitting on a .215/.260/.396 batting line over 154 plate appearances. That’s nowhere close to the .283/.333/.519 line he’d compiled between 2020-22 to pick up a pair of Silver Slugger awards and down-ballot MVP finishes. His raw slash stats always seemed likely to dip somewhat with the move from Rogers Centre to T-Mobile Park. This has been a far more significant drop-off than is solely attributable to park factors and Hernández is performing worse on the road than he is in Seattle.

 

Hernández has popped seven home runs, putting him on a 27-homer pace over 600 plate appearances. He’s still barreling the ball up and making hard contact when he puts the ball in play. The middle-of-the-order form he’d shown for years in Toronto still looks to be there. Yet his plate discipline has been rough thus far, resulting in a career-worst 3.2% walk rate and a massive 35.1% strikeout percentage.

[Terminator]

We hosed the Mariners bad

[G-Snarls]

We hosed the Mariners bad

 

They prob shoukdnt have thrown in Macko

 

But they did....

[G-Snarls]

Teoscar on pace to put up ~ 1.5 WAR at this pace for 14M isn't great even without trading Swanson and Macko to get him

[Jonn]

He can still get insanely hot. We have seen it before. He looks like a worst hitter in Baseball for a couple weeks and than he just turns a switch and you think he will hit a homer every at-bat.

 

I think the Mariners always knew they would lose the trade in the future. Banking on him hitting some big homers for them. Could still happen.

[G-Snarls]

He can still get insanely hot. We have seen it before. He looks like a worst hitter in Baseball for a couple weeks and than he just turns a switch and you think he will hit a homer every at-bat.

 

I think the Mariners always knew they would lose the trade in the future. Banking on him hitting some big homers for them. Could still happen.

 

Yes true

 

He could still hit 30 bombs

 

Team wanted impact this season but they're actually doing worse than last year so far

 

Meanwhile KK has put up triple the WAR for 5M less

Edited May 12, 2023 by G-Snarls

[G-Snarls]

Then again they're not that far about depsute being under 500. The Astros aren't running away this year. There are 4 teams who could win that division.

[Stangstag]

Then again they're not that far about depsute being under 500. The Astros aren't running away this year. There are 4 teams who could win that division.

 

You can’t seriously think the Angels or Rangers have any shot at winning the division

[Terminator]

It depends how good the Astros are this year. This is probably the weakest team they have had in a long time after a quiet offseason followed by some big injuries.

 

If they come in around 87-88 wins like Fangraphs projects then I think the other teams have a chance, Rangers and Angels included.

 

The Mariners could get back in it too but they have some major issues with their lineup and depth. I think the Rangers and Angels pose more of a threat.

[Brownie19]

It depends how good the Astros are this year. This is probably the weakest team they have had in a long time after a quiet offseason followed by some big injuries.

 

If they come in around 87-88 wins like Fangraphs projects then I think the other teams have a chance, Rangers and Angels included.

 

The Mariners could get back in it too but they have some major issues with their lineup and depth. I think the Rangers and Angels pose more of a threat.

 

Jose Abreu has been absolute dog s*** for them. Belt looks like prime Pujols compared to Abreu

[BigCecil]

LGJ rocking a 135 wRC+ and already has as many bombs as he had all of 2022.

[BigCecil]

It depends how good the Astros are this year. This is probably the weakest team they have had in a long time after a quiet offseason followed by some big injuries.

 

If they come in around 87-88 wins like Fangraphs projects then I think the other teams have a chance, Rangers and Angels included.

 

The Mariners could get back in it too but they have some major issues with their lineup and depth. I think the Rangers and Angels pose more of a threat.

 

Stros let go Verlander, Cole, Correa and Springer and still getting it done. Altuve is coming back. If he is close to last season that helps. I think they will go on a run before long.

[Terminator]

Stros let go Verlander, Cole, Correa and Springer and still getting it done. Altuve is coming back. If he is close to last season that helps. I think they will go on a run before long.

 

Yeah they are definitely the favorites and the train will keep rolling but it was one of those years where they made a strategic choice to not be as aggressive.

[Omar]

[Slade]

Good for Lourdes, we all know how he can hit when he is hot.

[Stangstag]

 

His hair is full on purple???

[max silver]

Good for Lourdes, we all know how he can hit when he is hot.

 

He's legitimately one of baseball's best hitters when he's on a patented hot streak but then he goes into prolonged funks for weeks and even months at a time where he accomplishes nothing offensively.

[John_Havok]

He's legitimately one of baseball's best hitters when he's on a patented hot streak but then he goes into prolonged funks for weeks and even months at a time where he accomplishes nothing offensively.

 

Just glad to see him pulling the ball again instead of slapping singles to rf