General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[BTS]

Noted Canadian hater Heyman said that Toronto is interested in trading for Yelich. What’s fair value for him?

 

Taking on the 5/136.5 left that Yelich is owed might be the best way to add someone with 4-win upside. We'd get a legit asset or two for doing it.

[G-Snarls]

What did you want the jays to do G-snarls

 

Trade 4 Trout

[jaysblue]

Taking on the 5/136.5 left that Yelich is owed might be the best way to add someone with 4-win upside. We'd get a legit asset or two for doing it.

 

Yeah if Yelich costs very little to acquire via trade, would rather have him at 5/136.5 over signing Bellinger between $200-250M. Yelich still likely is a 4 WAR player for another 2-3 more years hopefully.

 

If you can get either Adames or Burnes as well at a discount for taking on Yelich's contract, that would be real sweet. Like others have mentioned, can move Adames to 3B.

 

RF Springer

LF Yelich

SS Bichette

1B Guerrero

DH sign one of the FA's available

3B Adames

C Jansen/Kirk

CF Varsho

2B Schneider/Biggio

 

Rotation:

 

Gausman

Burnes

Berrios

Bassitt

Kikuchi

 

Looks good to me!

[Eat My Shatkins]

Yelich, Burnes, Adames (4.1 trade value) for Manoah (11.8 trade value)

[saskjayfan]

Yeah if Yelich costs very little to acquire via trade, would rather have him at 5/136.5 over signing Bellinger between $200-250M. Yelich still likely is a 4 WAR player for another 2-3 more years hopefully.

 

If you can get either Adames or Burnes as well at a discount for taking on Yelich's contract, that would be real sweet. Like others have mentioned, can move Adames to 3B.

 

RF Springer

LF Yelich

SS Bichette

1B Guerrero

DH sign one of the FA's available

3B Adames

C Jansen/Kirk

CF Varsho

2B Schneider/Biggio

 

Rotation:

 

Gausman

Burnes

Berrios

Bassitt

Kikuchi

 

Looks good to me!

 

I like it. I think Yelich actually has some upside and coudl be a 30 homer guy again. If we're making the big trade you should go get JD Martinez to DH. Steamer has Schneider projected to have a 113 wRC+ next year. That would be one fierce lineup.

[L54]

They aren’t going to attach Burnes to Yelich for a salary dump

[BTS]

Yeah if Yelich costs very little to acquire via trade, would rather have him at 5/136.5 over signing Bellinger between $200-250M. Yelich still likely is a 4 WAR player for another 2-3 more years hopefully.

 

If you can get either Adames or Burnes as well at a discount for taking on Yelich's contract, that would be real sweet. Like others have mentioned, can move Adames to 3B.

 

RF Springer

LF Yelich

SS Bichette

1B Guerrero

DH sign one of the FA's available

3B Adames

C Jansen/Kirk

CF Varsho

2B Schneider/Biggio

 

Rotation:

 

Gausman

Burnes

Berrios

Bassitt

Kikuchi

 

Looks good to me!

 

I agree but I don't think they'd include Burnes, due to optics. Adames would be great though. Or even prospect capital.

[saskjayfan]

They arenÂ’t going to attach Burnes to Yelich for a salary dump

 

Yeah...we're obviously have to trade stuff back. Manoah would be in the package. I'd be more than happy to give up Varsho too if we could sign KK back.

[max silver]

Yeah if Yelich costs very little to acquire via trade, would rather have him at 5/136.5 over signing Bellinger between $200-250M. Yelich still likely is a 4 WAR player for another 2-3 more years hopefully.

 

If you can get either Adames or Burnes as well at a discount for taking on Yelich's contract, that would be real sweet. Like others have mentioned, can move Adames to 3B.

 

RF Springer

LF Yelich

SS Bichette

1B Guerrero

DH sign one of the FA's available

3B Adames

C Jansen/Kirk

CF Varsho

2B Schneider/Biggio

 

Rotation:

 

Gausman

Burnes

Berrios

Bassitt

Kikuchi

 

Looks good to me!

 

I sort of think I'd rather have Bellinger for 7-8 years vs Yelich for 5. Bellinger is 4 years younger at this point and I would be less likely to start declining physically right from year 1 of the deal as could reasonably be expected of Yelich. Yelich also had a string of poor seasons before the resurgence in 2023, as he averaged only 108 wRC+ for these 3 seasons and was averaged 1.84 WAR/550 PA during these seasons. I simply think Yelich has every bit as much landmine potential as Bellinger.

 

A major point in Yelich's favor was that his quality of contract metrics correlate a lot more with his actual results on the field but it's really easy to see him reverting to a 110 wRC+ type of bat in the near future.

[glory]

Yeah I doubt the Brewers would attach Burnes with anyone they are trying to dump. I'd be fine with a Yelich/Adames package as it shouldn't cost much in terms of prospect capital and there's upside there for both players.

[L54]

Adding Yelich would mean we get a brand new George Springer contract!

[L54]

I have no idea what these guys are going to do. They have their work cut out for them

[max silver]

Adding Yelich would mean we get a brand new George Springer contract!

 

It's actually even better as the team wouldn't even get the first year of the deal where he was most likely to be at his best. I shudder to think of how ugly it could in a few years to potentially be paying Yelich and Springer $50 million for something like 2 wins between the two of them

Edited December 14, 2023 by max silver

[Marew]

Would be cool to have trout. Ohtani would have to strike trout out with just 1 pitch per their agreement for the final out of the 2025 World Series. Trout wanted ohtani to challenge him Mano a Mano. At this point ohtani is just a reliever but the most dominant we’ve seen since Eric Gagne.

 

Ohtani would throw a change up and trout would give him a look. That wasn’t the agreement. Then he throws a fastball, 100.5 mph, and we see a drive deep into the night, trout finally getting his World Series win.

 

Touch em all Mike.

[Stangstag]

Would be cool to have trout. Ohtani would have to strike trout out with just 1 pitch per their agreement for the final out of the 2025 World Series. Trout wanted ohtani to challenge him Mano a Mano. At this point ohtani is just a reliever but the most dominant we’ve seen since Eric Gagne.

 

Ohtani would throw a change up and trout would give him a look. That wasn’t the agreement. Then he throws a fastball, 100.5 mph, and we see a drive deep into the night, trout finally getting his World Series win.

 

Touch em all Mike.

 

Wat

 

Also, Ohtani threw Trout 2 fastballs down the middle and he whiffed on both.

[glory]

I have no idea what these guys are going to do. They have their work cut out for them

 

When absorbing Yelich’s contract is one of the highest upside moves they could realistically make (and it is), that’s a sign that the market is not very buyer friendly. Atkins definitely has a tough road ahead but short term big league moves has been his strength recently so let’s see what he does.

[Jays24]

[MikeM3]

Trade for Trout

[G-Snarls]

Trade for Trout

 

It's catching on!

[Jays24]

It's catching on!

 

Damn... made me check if I missed any Trout rumours lol

[L54]

 

I really hope we don’t sign him

[Jays24]

I really hope we don’t sign him

 

Around the ballpark of 6/150M, sign me up. Anything close to 200M and we should run away. Would also suck losing a pick just to overpay the guy.

[jaysblue]

Trade for Trout

 

Let's get it trending on Twitter haha.

 

I'll keep a lookout on any private jets flying from Santa Ana or Orange County Airport haha.

[Krylian]

They don't even have anyone to trade for Trout. Their 40 man roster looks like a minor league team.

 

If it's that bad why even try this season. Fire sale and rebuild if it's so hopeless. Why waste time putting makeup on a pig?

[Spanky99]

They don't even have anyone to trade for Trout. Their 40 man roster looks like a minor league team.

 

lol... *smh*

[Omar]

I sort of think I'd rather have Bellinger for 7-8 years vs Yelich for 5. Bellinger is 4 years younger at this point and I would be less likely to start declining physically right from year 1 of the deal as could reasonably be expected of Yelich. Yelich also had a string of poor seasons before the resurgence in 2023, as he averaged only 108 wRC+ for these 3 seasons and was averaged 1.84 WAR/550 PA during these seasons. I simply think Yelich has every bit as much landmine potential as Bellinger.

 

A major point in Yelich's favor was that his quality of contract metrics correlate a lot more with his actual results on the field but it's really easy to see him reverting to a 110 wRC+ type of bat in the near future.

 

The thing is why invest in Bellinger for that term when it is entirely likely that this team could be in semi rebuild mode from 2026-29? Sure Bellinger would garner trade value but the same could be said for Yelich, age notwithstanding. Either way, the white board in Atkins office must look really interesting right now.

[Eat My Shatkins]

They don't even have anyone to trade for Trout. Their 40 man roster looks like a minor league team.

 

You realize the 40 man roster includes the MLB roster right? The MLB roster that won 89 games last season? Not many "minor league teams" win 89 games in the major leagues you f***ing nitwit.

 

f***ing amazing that people without even two brain cells to rub together can muster the ability to log on here.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Man, Mike Trout cannot be worth much in a trade. He's gotta be worth way more to the Angels than they'd ever get in a return unless they ate a f***ton of that contract.

 

Hard to believe he's already 32 years old. $35.5 million AAV and he's averaged 3.7 fWAR the last three seasons...well basically three "half seasons" because he is always injured now.

[Stangstag]

The thing is why invest in Bellinger for that term when it is entirely likely that this team could be in semi rebuild mode from 2026-29? Sure Bellinger would garner trade value but the same could be said for Yelich, age notwithstanding. Either way, the white board in Atkins office must look really interesting right now.

 

Even if you think 100% we need to rebuild in 2026, it’s still worth signing Bellinger for the production he could provide in 24/25. And if they’re paying him 25 mil a year during a rebuild, who cares? Can probably still keep the payroll under 100 million even with that on the books.

[max silver]

Even if you think 100% we need to rebuild in 2026, it’s still worth signing Bellinger for the production he could provide in 24/25. And if they’re paying him 25 mil a year during a rebuild, who cares? Can probably still keep the payroll under 100 million even with that on the books.

 

That's why I can still convince myself Bellinger would likely be worth it. Absolutely worst case scenario the team can pay part of his salary in trade if they decide to move him out and undertake a rebuild.