Vlad and Bo Extensions

[Omar]

As players come and go the culture will change. It also changes as players get more experience. Teo's absence will be noted.

[max silver]

Could it be that an anything goes clubhouse breeds lack of focus and effort?

 

Is it really an anything goes clubhouse? I seriously doubt the players are popping brewskies and snorting coke off of prostitutes or something of that sort.

 

If the necessary preparation is happening away from game time, then I really don't see why it's worth expending any energy into policing what grown men do in the dugout. There have been goofy players doing silly stuff in the dugout as long as I can remember with a steady stream of pranks like gum on hats and the likes. It seriously fees like people are offended by people having fun and looking happy. I get it that as fans it's frustrating when your team is losing, but I can't wrap my brain around why fans think that players need to act like mopey goth girls when the team is losing, can't put on a home run jacket when the team is losing etc. There are already too many stupid f***ing unwritten rules in baseball that largely revolve around not being allowed to have fun/celebrate during a game, and I for one don't want a team to start worrying about implementing even more of them. Sorry guys, no home run jacket, we have an unwritten rule that you can only wear it if a home run puts you ahead. Sorry guys, no more Spanish speaking players sitting together at the end of the bench, that's also against the unwritten rules because you guys looking too happy offends people. Most of this criticism that gets put forth towards players celebrating and having fun really seems to stem from people who need to loosen the f*** up.

 

For what it's worth the worst offender when it came to lack of focus/effort on the field was traded to the Mariners. There's still a few other issues to be resolved like watching potential home runs bounce off of the wall and the likes, but for the most part this team tends to put in a solid effort on the field.

[Laika]

Yeah all I care about is effort and focus between the lines. Biggest issues in 2022:

 

- Teo’s effort and focus in the outfield

- Gurriel’s effort and focus in the outfield

- Vlad’s baserunning. Some other players baserunning.

- Bo’s focus on defense

[Carlos Danger]

Is it really an anything goes clubhouse? I seriously doubt the players are popping brewskies and snorting coke off of prostitutes or something of that sort.

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Maybe that is the secret/reason we have been landing so many FAs lately. I know I would take a lower AAV if I was playing on that team.

[Carlos Danger]

Is it really an anything goes clubhouse? I seriously doubt the players are popping brewskies and snorting coke off of prostitutes or something of that sort.

 

If the necessary preparation is happening away from game time, then I really don't see why it's worth expending any energy into policing what grown men do in the dugout. There have been goofy players doing silly stuff in the dugout as long as I can remember with a steady stream of pranks like gum on hats and the likes. It seriously fees like people are offended by people having fun and looking happy. I get it that as fans it's frustrating when your team is losing, but I can't wrap my brain around why fans think that players need to act like mopey goth girls when the team is losing, can't put on a home run jacket when the team is losing etc. There are already too many stupid f***ing unwritten rules in baseball that largely revolve around not being allowed to have fun/celebrate during a game, and I for one don't want a team to start worrying about implementing even more of them. Sorry guys, no home run jacket, we have an unwritten rule that you can only wear it if a home run puts you ahead. Sorry guys, no more Spanish speaking players sitting together at the end of the bench, that's also against the unwritten rules because you guys looking too happy offends people. Most of this criticism that gets put forth towards players celebrating and having fun really seems to stem from people who need to loosen the f*** up.

 

For what it's worth the worst offender when it came to lack of focus/effort on the field was traded to the Mariners. There's still a few other issues to be resolved like watching potential home runs bounce off of the wall and the likes, but for the most part this team tends to put in a solid effort on the field.

 

What about the part in Money Ball where Jeremy Giambi and all them were partying it up with music and dancing in the club house after a loss and in the midst of a long losing streak.. Is that ok?

[John_Havok]

What about the part in Money Ball where Jeremy Giambi and all them were partying it up with music and dancing in the club house after a loss and in the midst of a long losing streak.. Is that ok?

 

Was it okay in the movie? What happened to the main player involved?

[Carlos Danger]

Was it okay in the movie? What happened to the main player involved?

 

My point. I think it does matter what players, a Team, do after a loss.

[max silver]

What about the part in Money Ball where Jeremy Giambi and all them were partying it up with music and dancing in the club house after a loss and in the midst of a long losing streak.. Is that ok?

 

That reminds me of the fried chicken kerfuffle with the Red Sox years ago. Wasn't this one of the contributing factors to Terry Francona losing his job?

 

It would be up to the team to decide whether that type of thing is appropriate or not. Ultimately what you or I think is completely irrelevant, much like it is with players appearing to be happy and having fun in the dugout during games.

[Spanky99]

What about the part in Money Ball where Jeremy Giambi and all them were partying it up with music and dancing in the club house after a loss and in the midst of a long losing streak.. Is that ok?

 

You actually don't think this team parties after a loss, do you?

[John_Havok]

My point. I think it does matter what players, a Team, do after a loss.

 

Personally I think they should all head for the nearest bridge and off themselves after a loss. If they can’t go 162-0 they obviously don’t care enough

[L54]

Is it really an anything goes clubhouse? I seriously doubt the players are popping brewskies and snorting coke off of prostitutes or something of that sort.

 

If the necessary preparation is happening away from game time, then I really don't see why it's worth expending any energy into policing what grown men do in the dugout. There have been goofy players doing silly stuff in the dugout as long as I can remember with a steady stream of pranks like gum on hats and the likes. It seriously fees like people are offended by people having fun and looking happy. I get it that as fans it's frustrating when your team is losing, but I can't wrap my brain around why fans think that players need to act like mopey goth girls when the team is losing, can't put on a home run jacket when the team is losing etc. There are already too many stupid f***ing unwritten rules in baseball that largely revolve around not being allowed to have fun/celebrate during a game, and I for one don't want a team to start worrying about implementing even more of them. Sorry guys, no home run jacket, we have an unwritten rule that you can only wear it if a home run puts you ahead. Sorry guys, no more Spanish speaking players sitting together at the end of the bench, that's also against the unwritten rules because you guys looking too happy offends people. Most of this criticism that gets put forth towards players celebrating and having fun really seems to stem from people who need to loosen the f*** up.

 

For what it's worth the worst offender when it came to lack of focus/effort on the field was traded to the Mariners. There's still a few other issues to be resolved like watching potential home runs bounce off of the wall and the likes, but for the most part this team tends to put in a solid effort on the field.

 

Ya there are exactly zero major league clubhouses where snorting coke off of hookers happens. Not sure what point you’re trying to make.

 

Anyway, lack of accountability absolutely breeds lack of focus and effort in the workplace.

[L54]

Fired Charlie

Brought in Mattingly

Traded Teoscar

Brought in Mr. Hustle

 

From an outsider’s perspective these look like moves to help foster stronger leadership from the top down.

 

The team looked and felt very immature to begin 2022.

[L54]

Some of you need to buy the MiLB package this season so you never miss a Savannah Bananas game. Good clean fun!

[max silver]

Ya there are exactly zero major league clubhouses where snorting coke off of hookers happens. Not sure what point you’re trying to make.

 

Anyway, lack of accountability absolutely breeds lack of focus and effort in the workplace.

 

Could it be that an anything goes clubhouse breeds lack of focus and effort?

 

These are your words equating what goes on behind closed doors in the clubhouse with lack of focus and effort on the field. I can only guess what you even meant by an "anything goes clubhouse".

[L54]

These are your words equating what goes on behind closed doors in the clubhouse with lack of focus and effort on the field. I can only guess what you even meant by an "anything goes clubhouse".

 

Holy f*** okay so you’re not interested in a rational discussion. Gotcha

[max silver]

Holy f*** okay so you’re not interested in a rational discussion. Gotcha

 

I really don't know what you are even trying to get at here. I'm still waiting to here what you are suggesting is going on in the clubhouse that is having such a negative effect on the field of play. The ball's in your court.

[L54]

As long as everyone has fun next year I’ll consider it a successful season

[max silver]

As long as everyone has fun next year I’ll consider it a successful season

 

These are some great discussion points you bring up on here, your poignant Savanah Bananas reference was a true microphone drop moment.

[John_Havok]

Ya there are exactly zero major league clubhouses where snorting coke off of hookers happens. Not sure what point you’re trying to make.

 

Anyway, lack of accountability absolutely breeds lack of focus and effort in the workplace.

 

Ask any professional athlete in a team sport, they’ll tell you leadership and accountability is far more effective coming from other players, not a manager or coach

[L54]

Ask any professional athlete in a team sport, they’ll tell you leadership and accountability is far more effective coming from other players, not a manager or coach

 

How many have you asked?

 

What happens if it doesn’t come from the players?

Edited December 18, 2022 by L54

[Carlos Danger]

You actually don't think this team parties after a loss, do you?

 

No, not the Blue Jays. Just to Max Silver’s assertion that a Lazaiss faire attitude is no problem and they are grown men in baseball.

[Carlos Danger]

Personally I think they should all head for the nearest bridge and off themselves after a loss. If they can’t go 162-0 they obviously don’t care enough

 

So you would have had no issue if you were Billy Bean and you walked in and saw that given the context?

[John_Havok]

So you would have had no issue if you were Billy Bean and you walked in and saw that given the context?

 

Nope. Just saying you’re using an example where it was demonstrated by the people in the f***ing movie that it was not okay nor tolerated, so using it as some sort of “what if” pertaining to the Jays is stupid. It wasn’t okay then and it wouldn’t be okay now. It’s also a drastically different situation than joking around in the dugout while losing a game. Their team was on the middle of a terrible season, last season the Jays were in the playoffs with 90 plus wins and were on a tear in the second half after replacing Bongo boy.

[Carlos Danger]

Nope. Just saying you’re using an example where it was demonstrated by the people in the f***ing movie that it was not okay nor tolerated, so using it as some sort of “what if” pertaining to the Jays is stupid. It wasn’t okay then and it wouldn’t be okay now. It’s also a drastically different situation than joking around in the dugout while losing a game. Their team was on the middle of a terrible season, last season the Jays were in the playoffs with 90 plus wins and were on a tear in the second half after replacing Bongo boy.

 

Dude, we were in two different universes, hence my confusion with all your replies.

 

My post had zero to do with something that happened with the Blue Jays and I never said it did. I was replying to Max Silver’s long post where he was talking about in general, let grown men do as they wish and it doesn’t matter what they do after a loss. I was talking about philosophical differences in discipline, leadership style and rules.

[Jimcanuck]

Between the lines is what matters. I don't see any evidence the Jays players are not hard working and passionate about winning. Teo and Gurriel possible exceptions on the "hard working" part, but every team has a few players that work less hard than the others.

[Orgfiller]

Between the lines is what matters. I don't see any evidence the Jays players are not hard working and passionate about winning. Teo and Gurriel possible exceptions on the "hard working" part, but every team has a few players that work less hard than the others.

 

Teoscar is widely regarded as being an extremely hard working player. And you can tell based on how much better he’s gotten as a player since he debuted plus the guy is in incredible shape. This idea that he’s not a hard worker or cares less because he smiles a lot and has fun in the dugout is a frankly overdone trope often targeting the Latino players who come from a different baseball culture where it’s okay to display emotions and not act stone faced all the time while playing a game.

[Jimcanuck]

Teoscar is widely regarded as being an extremely hard working player. And you can tell based on how much better he’s gotten as a player since he debuted plus the guy is in incredible shape. This idea that he’s not a hard worker or cares less because he smiles a lot and has fun in the dugout is a frankly overdone trope often targeting the Latino players who come from a different baseball culture where it’s okay to display emotions and not act stone faced all the time while playing a game.

 

I have heard the suggestions of being a hard worker. The on field lapses in 2022 were more prevalent than previous years. My comment has nothing to do with race.

[Terminator]

Wow Jim I thought you were better than this...

[Jimcanuck]

Wow Jim I thought you were better than this...

 

Teo's improvements were pretty impressive. In 2022 I thought he was too often lackadaisical in the field. We all saw it.

 

My comment doesn't apply to any other Jays players, of which there are several other latins.

[Stangstag]

Teo's improvements were pretty impressive. In 2022 I thought he was too often lackadaisical in the field. We all saw it.

 

My comment doesn't apply to any other Jays players, of which there are several other latins.

 

While he did have a few mental lapses, I think people are confusing “lackadaisical play” with Teo playing through injury. For the entire last month + he was playing on a foot with a bad bone bruise and probably should have been DHing full time, except Springer was also in the same kind of situation with his elbow.