Should Rocket Raimel Tapia be tendered?

[Terminator]

I think I know the answer but just want to make sure.

[Terminator]

Choose wisely. I made this poll public.

[Grant77]

Yes, sign and trade.

[L54]

The answer is no

[Terminator]

The answer is no

 

Agreed. How long of an extension would you give him though? I'm thinking 5 years.

[Stangstag]

I would personally non-tender, pick up a better CF, push Springer to LF/RF and have Biggio/Merrifield as OF backups.

 

Will be interesting to see if the FO still values him at all after he clearly showed in 2022 he is pretty worthless

[Omar]

LOL.......

[Laika]

Tender him with passion

 

But show him more confidence next year

 

CF and leadoff should both be his

[Spanky99]

I think I know the answer but just want to make sure.

 

lol

[Terminator]

Tender him with passion

 

But show him more confidence next year

 

CF and leadoff should both be his

 

THANK YOU

 

Finally someone with some sense on this board.

[Terminator]

I would personally non-tender, pick up a better CF, push Springer to LF/RF and have Biggio/Merrifield as OF backups.

 

Will be interesting to see if the FO still values him at all after he clearly showed in 2022 he is pretty worthless

 

Mods

[Terminator]

Yes, sign and trade.

 

Not a bad idea. Would probably get us the frontline starter or flamethrowing reliever we need. Maybe both.

[G-Snarls]

Insert "It's a Trap" meme here

[Olerud363]

I think I know the answer but just want to make sure.

 

In a lot of ways he is where Jose Bautista was at the same age. Could you imagine if the 2009 Jays made the playoffs and they had to sub Bautista in? I bet he would have made some glaring mistake and everyone would be like dude... this guy needs to be non-tendered.

 

Tapia, like Bautista has mega raw power that is one swing tweak away from being unleashed. Will he walk 100 times just like Bautista? Of course not. Will he go from a nobody to a homerun title? Unlikely, hardly anyone does. However when the raw power is unleashed he'll be a .290 hitter with 35 homers and no one will care that he doesn't get great jumps.

[Jonn]

I really hope they don’t tender him. Just cut bait and move on. He doesn’t even have any value even if they were to try to flip him.

[Captain_Obvious]

In a lot of ways he is where Jose Bautista was at the same age. Could you imagine if the 2009 Jays made the playoffs and they had to sub Bautista in? I bet he would have made some glaring mistake and everyone would be like dude... this guy needs to be non-tendered.

 

Tapia, like Bautista has mega raw power that is one swing tweak away from being unleashed. Will he walk 100 times just like Bautista? Of course not. Will he go from a nobody to a homerun title? Unlikely, hardly anyone does. However when the raw power is unleashed he'll be a .290 hitter with 35 homers and no one will care that he doesn't get great jumps.

 

Don't know if you are serious. Tapia is nothing like Bautista at the same stage. You downplay walks, but swinging at everything and walking at a rate of less than 4% will never produce good results. I wouldn't want Tapia at league minimum let alone at 5M.

[Olerud363]

Don't know if you are serious. Tapia is nothing like Bautista at the same stage. You downplay walks, but swinging at everything and walking at a rate of less than 4% will never produce good results. I wouldn't want Tapia at league minimum let alone at 5M.

 

This isn't exactly a serious thread. There is a small bit of truth in the comparison with Bautista in that Tapia has very good top exit velocity and distance on his homeruns. From what I have heard that is the entire reason they are playing him so much. They think they can unleash some power with some swing tweaks.

 

I assume they'll move on now but who knows.

 

Also. If this is a serious thread I apologize to the OP for implying it wasn't. I really do believe that with another 600 PAs Tapia's power will be unleashed.

[Captain_Obvious]

This isn't exactly a serious thread. There is a small bit of truth in the comparison with Bautista in that Tapia has very good top exit velocity and distance on his homeruns. From what I have heard that is the entire reason they are playing him so much. They think they can unleash some power with some swing tweaks.

 

I assume they'll move on now but who knows.

 

Also. If this is a serious thread I apologize to the OP for implying it wasn't. I really do believe that with another 600 PAs Tapia's power will be unleashed.

 

LOL. I guess I was fooled.

[wilko]

Is there a way to get him to bat twice in the lineup?

[John_Havok]

Option 3, Rocket him into the sun

[Krylian]

I abstain from voting on this s***.

[BTS]

If he doesn't get at least 600 PA from the lead off spot Atkins should be fired.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I don't mind him as a depth option, but I really hope they don't give him 400+ PA's again next season.

[Olerud363]

Is there a way to get him to bat twice in the lineup?

 

Best you can do is lead off for 162 games.

 

The only other trick to maximize his at bats is to maximize the on base percentage of the other 8 and minimize their double plays as to get the order going around as much as possible.

 

Matt Chapman + cash to Tampa Bay for Yandy Diaz

Bo Bichette to Minnesota for Luis Arraez and a reliever and potentially a prospect (maybe Duran, maybe Griffin Jax whatever evens the trade value)

Vladimir Guerrero jr ++ to San Diego for Juan Soto (add whatever you need to get Soto's on base)

Sign Brandon Nimmo

Kirk full time 162 game DH only

Sign Carlos Correa

 

Tapia lf

Diaz 3b

Soto 1b

Nimmo cf

Kirk dh

Arraez 2b

Correa ss

Jansen/Moreno c

Springer rf

 

Springer loses lead-off but get's second leadoff (9th). Guerrero for Soto is key because it get's rid of Guerrero's double plays and adds on base, so need to add prospects to that to make it happen.

 

How many at bats would Tapia get with this line-up?

[Laika]

Goddammit the double plays this year were excruciating.

 

Vlad was #1 for qualified hitters with 26

Bo was #4 with 21

Teoscar was #16 with 18

 

Toronto was 3rd in baseball behind only Washington and the Rockies.

 

The only other playoff teams in the top 10 were the Mets at 9 and the Yankees at 10, with 122 and 121 double plays. But both of those teams were as to 20th (Detroit, 108) as they were to Toronto's 136.

[Laika]

Danny Jansen only hit into ONE double play all year.

 

That's an often ignored benefit of being a huge flyball hitter.

 

Biggio - only 2.

Chapman - only 7.

[jaysblue]

Goddammit the double plays this year were excruciating.

 

Vlad was #1 for qualified hitters with 26

Bo was #4 with 21

Teoscar was #16 with 18

 

Toronto was 3rd in baseball behind only Washington and the Rockies.

 

The only other playoff teams in the top 10 were the Mets at 9 and the Yankees at 10, with 122 and 121 double plays. But both of those teams were as to 20th (Detroit, 108) as they were to Toronto's 136.

 

Yeah Vladdy needs to do a better job at not hitting the ball on the ground. Needs to elevate the ball more.

 

Shocked Bo is that high to be honest.

 

Hope they resolve this issue for next season.

[Laika]

Here is a fun exercise.

 

Double Play Adjusted Batting Average

 

We are pretending to be a Bill James wannabe in the early 1990s and making up dumb stats. For this one we take away a single for every double play a guy hits into.

 

 

 

Of course everybody gets worse but the colour shading should help you appreciate who holds up more.

 

Kirk is interesting, you would expect him to be a GDP monster but he is not.

[Krylian]

Yeah Vladdy needs to do a better job at not hitting the ball on the ground. Needs to elevate the ball more.

 

Shocked Bo is that high to be honest.

 

Hope they resolve this issue for next season.

 

This has been Vladdy's MO for years. I don't see it ever changing.

[John_Havok]

Goddammit the double plays this year were excruciating.

 

Vlad was #1 for qualified hitters with 26

Bo was #4 with 21

Teoscar was #16 with 18

 

Toronto was 3rd in baseball behind only Washington and the Rockies.

 

The only other playoff teams in the top 10 were the Mets at 9 and the Yankees at 10, with 122 and 121 double plays. But both of those teams were as to 20th (Detroit, 108) as they were to Toronto's 136.

 

Silver lining - cant hit into a double play if there's nobody on base. So at least they're getting on base a lot.