Poll: Which catcher would you move in the off-season?

[wilko]

So Ryu underwent surgery on June 18. The timeline for return is typically 12-18 months but I think pitchers are trending more toward the 12 month period now right? I believe there's a new technique which makes it a more concrete 12 months instead of the 18 even but I don't know if Ryu underwent that procedure or not.

 

Seeing as he's a FA at the end of the year, I think it makes sense for both parties for him to rehab and try and come back for the second half. So it'd be about 12.5 months which is doable.

 

He's probably going to fall more towards the 18 months due to obvious physical reasons.

[Terminator]

He's probably going to fall more towards the 18 months due to obvious physical reasons.

 

Here we go again with the fat shaming

[Terminator]

Ohtani is bad mouthing the Angels (pretty mild but for him it's about the worst thing he'll ever say) and I think the Angels will have to at least listen on trades this offseason. I think the Jays and Angels could have been a possible trade partner with the Jays involving a guy like Kirk but since the Angels acquired O'Hoppe at the deadline I think it makes them less of a fit.

[wilko]

Ohtani is bad mouthing the Angels (pretty mild but for him it's about the worst thing he'll ever say) and I think the Angels will have to at least listen on trades this offseason. I think the Jays and Angels could have been a possible trade partner with the Jays involving a guy like Kirk but since the Angels acquired O'Hoppe at the deadline I think it makes them less of a fit.

 

How can you not be angry with that team? They have arguably 2 of the best players and they surround them with trash/bad signings.

[Terminator]

How can you not be angry with that team? They have arguably 2 of the best players and they surround them with trash/bad signings.

 

Knowing the Angels they hang on to him and then he walks in a year. Would be a perfect fit for the Jays (and every other team in baseball) and you know Rogers/Sportsnet would love having him for a year. But the cost would probably be too high and Atkins seems to want to win 90 games forever rather than win 100 for a year so I don't see it happening but it's fun to dream.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Man, I can't even get my hopes up for Ohtani he'd be the perfect fit and he's just wasting away with the Angels.

[Omar]

Perhaps the better poll should have been, who is the more valuable asset Jansen or Kirk given where this team is right now?

[wilko]

Perhaps the better poll should have been, who is the more valuable asset Jansen or Kirk given where this team is right now?

 

Fat man good skinny man bad.

[keggy]

So Ryu underwent surgery on June 18. The timeline for return is typically 12-18 months but I think pitchers are trending more toward the 12 month period now right? I believe there's a new technique which makes it a more concrete 12 months instead of the 18 even but I don't know if Ryu underwent that procedure or not.

 

Seeing as he's a FA at the end of the year, I think it makes sense for both parties for him to rehab and try and come back for the second half. So it'd be about 12.5 months which is doable.

 

This is Ryu's 2nd Tommy John. There are a few pitchers who did well after 2, but a lot didn't. There is a chance that Ryu never pitches again period.

[Terminator]

This is Ryu's 2nd Tommy John. There are a few pitchers who did well after 2, but a lot didn't. There is a chance that Ryu never pitches again period.

 

Well yeah I'm not expecting him to be a #2 again. But if he can be a 4 or a 5 for half a season before we lose him I'll take it.

[Jimcanuck]

There are zero expectations regarding Ryu at this point. All there is is fingers crossed.

[Omar]

Very interesting thread on Kirk vs Jansen framing. The gap is more than I would have expected.

 

[Spanky99]

Very interesting thread on Kirk vs Jansen framing. The gap is more than I would have expected.

 

 

The comments...

[Terminator]

I'm surprised this poll was bumped after the OF poll blew up in the Bellinger Fanboys' faces.

[Stangstag]

I'm surprised this poll was bumped after the OF poll blew up in the Bellinger Fanboys' faces.

 

Dude you’re so annoying. At least wait a couple months into the season to claim a win here.

[Terminator]

Dude you’re so annoying. At least wait a couple months into the season to claim a win here.

 

I'm not claiming a win here (yet) but you gotta admit I nailed the Kiermaier/Bellinger situation!

[Laika]

lmao @ the most people saying Kirk

 

do you guys even watch baseball?

[Pendleton]

lmao @ the most people saying Kirk

 

do you guys even watch baseball?

 

I'd like to see the ballots on this vote as well. If all eighteen of these posters happen to reside in the same general region, we should probably call for tests on the water supply.

[Deadpool]

lmao @ the most people saying Kirk

 

do you guys even watch baseball?

 

The question was who would you move, not who is the worst... Return for Kirk is likely substantially higher than the return for Jansen, so there's an argument that he's the best one to move (obviously that's all speculation, but I think Moreno/Jansen is a perfectly cromulent catching duo, and the return would definitely help in other areas...)

[Spanky99]

I picked none of them, simply because my answer is where they get the best value, pull the trigger.

 

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[G-Snarls]

The question was who would you move, not who is the worst... Return for Kirk is likely substantially higher than the return for Jansen, so there's an argument that he's the best one to move (obviously that's all speculation, but I think Moreno/Jansen is a perfectly cromulent catching duo, and the return would definitely help in other areas...)

 

Well the real answer of course is whichever one gets us Ohtani

 

sarcasm

[Pendleton]

The question was who would you move, not who is the worst... Return for Kirk is likely substantially higher than the return for Jansen, so there's an argument that he's the best one to move (obviously that's all speculation, but I think Moreno/Jansen is a perfectly cromulent catching duo, and the return would definitely help in other areas...)

 

Nope, Kirk is just too much of a gem for this to be the acceptable answer.

[Jimcanuck]

2022 wRC+

 

Kirk - 129

Jansen - 140

Moreno - 113

 

I don't care who gets moved, tbh. If the trade improves the overall team, it's good.

[Jimcanuck]

2021 wRC+

 

Kirk - 105

Jansen - 104

[max silver]

2022 wRC+

 

Kirk - 129

Jansen - 140

Moreno - 113

 

I don't care who gets moved, tbh. If the trade improves the overall team, it's good.

 

A Jansen/Kirk duo more than likely has the highest offensive output, but in the case of an inevitable Jansen injury you are left with the likes of Collins level players starting behind the plate half of the time as the team doesn't let Kirk start more than 3-4 times per week.

[Jimcanuck]

Injuries cannot be predicted. I would say the probability of an injury among Jansen, Kirk, and Moreno is roughly the same.

[Laika]

Injuries cannot be predicted. I would say the probability of an injury among Jansen, Kirk, and Moreno is roughly the same.

 

You can model out risk. Biggest factors increasing injuries are past injuries and age. And whether your first name is Byron.

[max silver]

Injuries cannot be predicted. I would say the probability of an injury among Jansen, Kirk, and Moreno is roughly the same.

 

You sounds like a used car salesman. The truth is not all cars are built with the same kind of reliability, and not all baseball players come with bodies with the same kind of durability. You can reliably predict that players like Kevin Kiermaier are going to suffer some sort of injury during a season which forces them to miss time so it is indeed possible to predict injury in certain players.

 

Jansen has made 3 separate trips to the injured list in the last two seasons due to soft tissue injuries. It's been said that in baseball the best predictor of future injury is prior injuries, particularly in the most recent season. Jansen has far from a spotless injury history and is the oldest of the three, so I'll go ahead and predict he is the most likely of the three to miss time due to injury.

[Krylian]

Injuries cannot be predicted.

 

Pearson and Merryweather will spend time on the IL.

Springer too.

[Jimcanuck]

Pearson and Merryweather will spend time on the IL.

Springer too.

 

As will many other players. Thanks for not including Jansen.