Would you fire Atkins

[Spanky99]

This is my question to anyone who says this about firing Atkins? For what direction? A more old school approach (sorry Aj Preller is back with San Diego). The offensive approach is flawed, if that is on Atkins, then fire him or bring someone else in to take over that approach and work along side him

 

Power and an entire different hitting strategy team, I was going to say Click but he's the team strategy guy. New blood anyway.

[PitaBaby]

This is my question to anyone who says this about firing Atkins? For what direction? A more old school approach (sorry Aj Preller is back with San Diego). The offensive approach is flawed, if that is on Atkins, then fire him or bring someone else in to take over that approach and work along side him

 

It's quite simple, he's not fit for the job. He's had his chances for a few years now. No amount of 'sport psychologists' can fix stupid. We need a more baseball-centric, boots on the ground philosophy. That was the entire philosophy of the 92/93 teams.

[Laika]

This is my question to anyone who says this about firing Atkins? For what direction? A more old school approach (sorry Aj Preller is back with San Diego). The offensive approach is flawed, if that is on Atkins, then fire him or bring someone else in to take over that approach and work along side him

 

I'm thinking it's probably Mattingly's fault?

 

I'd definitely clean house a bit on the coaching side. Hitting coach and Mattingly gone. Schneider gone for failure to make any breakthroughs with the team all year (they never clicked or went on a single run).

 

I dunno about Atkins. Hard to judge.

[Spanky99]

Shatkins overall body of work says they stay. These two playoff losses were tight and could have gone either way. Not enough to use the pitchforks.

 

We'll see, I'm pretty heated at the moment. Hah!

[BigCecil]

A CEO that goes to a Board for approval on a payroll budget approval of over $200M but has little to no input into the make up of that number?

 

"Gee I'm not sure...Ross and the boys tell me its a winner I guess...its a good deal...please approve".

 

And doesn't review and endorse the break down of that spend, or any major investment for that matter? That would be completely contrary to any CEO behavior and public company process that I am familiar with. I accept that some baseball operations involvement he would not be involved with. Same for any baseball CEO. Where does the buck stop?

[The Iceman]

My buddy was at the game today.

great seats, close enough to the Jays dugout to be heard.

 

He was chirping Schnieder about yanking Berrios during the game and was told to SHUT THE FU@K UP by the manager.

[jaysblue]

My buddy was at the game today.

great seats, close enough to the Jays dugout to be heard.

 

He was chirping Schnieder about yanking Berrios during the game and was told to SHUT THE FU@K UP by the manager.

 

Lmao

[Omar]

It is never good to summarize the season after a devasting loss but...

 

I have always been an Atkins supporter. Never slagged the man. However, if he was involved in the Berrios debacle that occurred today (and he almost certainly was) well then, I'm switching teams. Fire him into the sun!

 

Schneider is an automatic. No way he can step into that clubhouse again. He lost too much face today.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Omar

[Jimcanuck]

Looks like every WC series will be a short one.

 

Fire all the GMs!

[TheHurl]

It's quite simple, he's not fit for the job. He's had his chances for a few years now. No amount of 'sport psychologists' can fix stupid. We need a more baseball-centric, boots on the ground philosophy. That was the entire philosophy of the 92/93 teams.

 

Their high performance director who built the Mental Conditioning team left in May 2022 and they never replaced him. Mental conditioning is not enough of this teams focus in my opinion

[TheHurl]

Looks like every WC series will be a short one.

 

Fire all the GMs!

 

Padres are bringing back Preller. Every GM should keep their job on that standard alone

[L54]

Word directly from people in the know is zero player personnel decisions. Budget approval only

 

No JB said he is in control of the roster

[The Iceman]

The only manager I have seen to be liked by the fans is the orioles Brandon. By the end of this postseason they will want him gone.

 

Gibby is a legend in Toronto.

[L54]

This is my question to anyone who says this about firing Atkins? For what direction? A more old school approach (sorry Aj Preller is back with San Diego). The offensive approach is flawed, if that is on Atkins, then fire him or bring someone else in to take over that approach and work along side him

 

A direction that relies less on doing whatever the spreadsheet says and more on managing with a brain and the human element

 

Dave Roberts isn’t pulling Jose Berrios after 3+. Neither is Kevin Cash or Brian Snitker. Some of the most forward thinking orgs in terms of analytics. So how does this slap dick org justify the decision?

[hanton]

Padres are bringing back Preller. Every GM should keep their job on that standard alone

 

LOL yes.

[Nexii]

The Jays played to expectations, 89 wins. Atkins did put together a solid team.

 

However I voted yes, because the team just wasn't fun to watch. I wouldn't even call it proper analytics but overmanaging. The IBBs, slap-hitting approach, being overly aggressive on the basepaths. All this stuff I highly doubt is backed by strong reasoned analytics.

 

Most of the roster did not play to expectations on the offensive side. It was only because of very good pitching injury luck that the Jays made the playoffs

[BigCecil]

How many more "just needs a year or two" more does Shatkins need? He's botched things consistently since 2017.

 

That was my comment at the end of last year’s dreadful ending. Not this years dreadful ending.

[gruber92]

I started getting a bad stench the moment AA decided to jump ship immediately after Shapiro sunk his claws into this team. Giant red flag. Never felt good about him from the very beginning.

 

Same

[jaysblue]

No JB said he is in control of the roster

 

He has a say in the roster obviously. If you think otherwise, you're clueless!

[jaysblue]

Word directly from people in the know is zero player personnel decisions. Budget approval only

 

I've heard different from people I know but alright!

[Jays24]

If this f***ing dweeb isnt fired in a few days, we need to revolt. 8 f***ing years with 0 playoff wins in an expanded playoff era. You f***ing suck at your job.

[hanton]

Allen Hanson

Socrates Brito

Derek Fisher

Bradley Zimmer

Varsho

 

Yea. Enough. Time to move on

[Olerud363]

If this f***ing dweeb isnt fired in a few days, we need to revolt. 8 f***ing years with 0 playoff wins in an expanded playoff era. You f***ing suck at your job.

 

He got 5 playoff wins in 2016. Though those are mostly because of AA.

 

You can say

 

0 playoff wins with "his" version of the contending Blue Jays

0 days in first place after May 1st (I believe this is true)

0 days within 5 games of first place in second half of season (I also believe this is true Rays/Yankees/ than Rays/Orioles got 5+ games ahead of Jays and stayed there throughout 21-23)

[Key22]

Blair and Barker - on The Jay's loss. Interesting comments on the manager and his "authority" vs say a Dusty Baker who can override what the suits are saying/commanding.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/blue-jays-this-week/an-agonizing-shutout-loss-ends-the-2023-blue-jays-season/

[MikeM3]

This is my question to anyone who says this about firing Atkins? For what direction? A more old school approach (sorry Aj Preller is back with San Diego). The offensive approach is flawed, if that is on Atkins, then fire him or bring someone else in to take over that approach and work along side him

 

Atkins is not that new school. New school is like the Orioles/Rays. And a team like the Mariners who pull a rotation of aces out of their farm system. Kirby Gilbert Miller Woo Brash etc.

 

Atkins is good at mlb transactions but those are easier nowadays with so few teams trying to win.

 

His pitching approach is to sign reliable 30 year Olds for 20m and hand them to Pete Walker. That's not anything new school.

 

Just because he wears glasses and looks like a nerd doesn't mean he's Mike elias and sig mejdal. The guy was an ex player

[Stangstag]

Atkins is not that new school. New school is like the Orioles/Rays. And a team like the Mariners who pull a rotation of aces out of their farm system. Kirby Gilbert Miller Woo Brash etc.

 

Atkins is good at mlb transactions but those are easier nowadays with so few teams trying to win.

 

His pitching approach is to sign reliable 30 year Olds for 20m and hand them to Pete Walker. That's not anything new school.

 

Just because he wears glasses and looks like a nerd doesn't mean he's Mike elias and sig mejdal. The guy was an ex player

 

If pulling your starter in the 4th inning when he’s cruising isn’t “new school” then IDK what is

[MikeM3]

If pulling your starter in the 4th inning when he’s cruising isn’t “new school” then IDK what is

 

Berrios would have gave up a bomb to those lefties. The problem is we have one good Lefty bat on the team and he's a 40 year old.

 

Right on right slider/sweeper is death from a top 30 SP (lopez gray).

 

I'd take a Kepler Wallner Julien Kiriloff Larnach etc in a heartbeat

[Grant77]

James Click is sitting right there and I think he might leave if we don't promote him. I think that’s the move to make. I'm not necessarily set on firing Schneider, they can let Click decide.

[TheHurl]

Atkins is not that new school. New school is like the Orioles/Rays. And a team like the Mariners who pull a rotation of aces out of their farm system. Kirby Gilbert Miller Woo Brash etc.

 

Atkins is good at mlb transactions but those are easier nowadays with so few teams trying to win.

 

His pitching approach is to sign reliable 30 year Olds for 20m and hand them to Pete Walker. That's not anything new school.

 

Just because he wears glasses and looks like a nerd doesn't mean he's Mike elias and sig mejdal. The guy was an ex player

 

When I say Atkins I mean the front office and we know they are hiring bright young minds that understand numbers. There are parts of Atkins which are very anti-Rays or at least he wasn't able to implement Rays type systems. Which is why I have questioned a disconnect between the front office and on field personnel. I know what programs were planned when Angus Mugford came in. None appear to be in place and Angus left in May 2022.

Dougie Hamilton was telling me about the great stuff Angus was doing with the Devils...it is the same stuff that was supposed to happen here.

 

I agree that someone needs to go, I just have no idea if it can make a difference

[TheHurl]

Atkins is not that new school. New school is like the Orioles/Rays. And a team like the Mariners who pull a rotation of aces out of their farm system. Kirby Gilbert Miller Woo Brash etc.

 

Atkins is good at mlb transactions but those are easier nowadays with so few teams trying to win.

 

His pitching approach is to sign reliable 30 year Olds for 20m and hand them to Pete Walker. That's not anything new school.

 

Just because he wears glasses and looks like a nerd doesn't mean he's Mike elias and sig mejdal. The guy was an ex player

 

Also the Mariners are not new school. Just developed some good pitchers, but still gave 500 PA to Kolten Wong, Aj Pollock and Canzone. They are getting better at not having 7 of the same hitter in the lineup though