Would you fire Atkins

[Olerud363]

Obviously not.

 

Atkins is back then, lol. Obviously Schneider is back as there is no way they fire him for doing what they said.

 

The best we can hope for is all the hitting related coaches getting fired and like Rivera's retirement that should be announced very soon. The fact that they aren't already fired is a bit worrying.

 

Maybe they like the exit velolcities, the hard contact, and the simulated numbers where Vlad hit's .285 .377 .521 if all his flyballs don't go to center.

[Olerud363]

Atkins is back then, lol. Obviously Schneider is back as there is no way they fire him for doing what they said.

 

The best we can hope for is all the hitting related coaches getting fired and like Rivera's retirement that should be announced very soon. The fact that they aren't already fired is a bit worrying.

 

Maybe they like the exit velolcities, the hard contact, and the simulated numbers where Vlad hit's .285 .377 .521 if all his flyballs don't go to center.

 

Shapiro speach

 

"I am Shapiro your ruler. Atkins is my buddy and he is back. Whoever he hired is back to. I heard some of you pieces of s*** have blamed the coaches and managers and what not for this situation. The pitching plan was analyzed carefully and we thought we'd give up 5 runs in the series. Our simulations were right. SO STOP YOUR f***ING COMPLAINING. You f***ing shits didn't hit and that's on you. Not on these coaches. THEY ARE ALL BACK AND GETTING RAISES. Even Dave Hudgens. "

 

Varsho (thinking to himself): Where is the nearest driveline workout gym....

[Olerud363]

Did they get rid of the Sunshine girl??

 

What do people read? That toilet paper the Toronto Star?

 

 

I guess National Post if you hate Justin Trudeau, Globe and Mail or Toronto Star if you love Trudeau, and want help him make the world a more accepting and just place?

 

I actually don't know as I haven't lived near Toronto in quite a while, but when I used to live in Waterloo region and went to the Burger King a lot the Burger King always had complimentary copies of the Sun so I could read up on what was going on. Shame if those days are gone.

[Doubleplay21]

Atkins is doing a presser tomorrow

So he is staying no matter what people here say.

[Spanky99]

Those of you who thinks there is some Chinese wall between Shapiro and Atkins are incorrect. Shapiro needs to fire himself if he fires Atkins since Shapiro is very much involved in baseball decisions.

 

If you have a guy around just for stadium and facilities improvements you could hire a design architect and a gate revenue consultant.

 

Dude?

[hanton]

...the pitchers walked into coach Schneiders room after the game and told him "we know it wasn't your decision"

 

per Dan Schulman on SN

 

 

how does Atkins survive - just about everyone is s***ing on him, even Shai Davidi lol

[hanton]

I was taken aback after hearing that tbh

[Jays24]

Why the f*** hasn't that penciled neck, pocket protector dweeb been fired yet? 0 playoff wins in an expanded playoff era while losing in embarrassing fashion in each of those seasons.

 

2020 - taking out Shoemaker unnecessarily

2022 - taking out Gausman leasing to a record breaking collapse to Seattle

2023 - taking out Berrios when he was cruising

 

Like what more of a s***** job can be done considering the resources at his disposal.

[hanton]

Why the f*** hasn't that penciled neck, pocket protector dweeb been fired yet? 0 playoff wins in an expanded playoff era while losing in embarrassing fashion in each of those seasons.

 

2020 - taking out Shoemaker unnecessarily

2022 - taking out Gausman leasing to a record breaking collapse to Seattle

2023 - taking out Berrios when he was cruising

 

Like what more of a s***** job can be done considering the resources at his disposal.

 

I think you meant protractor;)

[thatoneguy]

...the pitchers walked into coach Schneiders room after the game and told him "we know it wasn't your decision"

 

per Dan Schulman on SN

 

 

how does Atkins survive - just about everyone is s***ing on him, even Shai Davidi lol

 

That's pretty f***ing bad. Atkins should absolutely be canned.

[Omar]

...the pitchers walked into coach Schneiders room after the game and told him "we know it wasn't your decision"

 

per Dan Schulman on SN

 

 

how does Atkins survive - just about everyone is s***ing on him, even Shai Davidi lol

 

He also said that pulling Berrios "sent ripples through the clubhouse".

 

That is not good for those of you in the back still arguing it was a good move.

[Omar]

That's pretty f***ing bad. Atkins should absolutely be canned.

 

They players obviously have lost all respect for Atkins and his minions.

[Spanky99]

He also said that pulling Berrios "sent ripples through the clubhouse".

 

That is not good for those of you in the back still arguing it was a good move.

 

lulz... good.

[L54]

He also said that pulling Berrios "sent ripples through the clubhouse".

 

That is not good for those of you in the back still arguing it was a good move.

 

No but they will never admit that the human element is a variable that needs to be accounted for

[Stangstag]

He also said that pulling Berrios "sent ripples through the clubhouse".

 

That is not good for those of you in the back still arguing it was a good move.

 

Yeah doesn’t sound good.

 

Honestly if Atkins stays at this point, im kinda expecting a disaster season for 2024. Offense stays the same, pitching not as good, Manoah doesn’t make a single start, all coaches remain, etc.

[Omar]

This pulling Berrios story is getting more convoluted each day. Apparently Jim Bowden from MLB radio stated yesterday that he reached out to the Jays front office and was told the decision to pull Berrios was John Schneider's alone.

 

Let's see if Atkins can clear up this mess with his presser today. Or will we get nothing but corporate double speak?

 

"I'm very proud of the work this whole organization....."

[Laika]

This pulling Berrios story is getting more convoluted each day. Apparently Jim Bowden from MLB radio stated yesterday that he reached out to the Jays front office and was told the decision to pull Berrios was John Schneider's alone.

 

Let's see if Atkins can clear up this mess with his presser today. Or will we get nothing but corporate double speak?

 

"I'm very proud of the work this whole organization....."

 

Jim Bowden is a f***ing meathead

 

We all know exactly how this decision was made. The front office discussed the tactics at length. They laid out the justification to Schneider and impressed upon him why it made sense. He probably agreed with them.

 

Then the specifics of when exactly to pull the trigger are obviously up to JS.

 

It would not have been "here is an idea John. Take it or leave it"

 

It would be more like "here is what we think the optimal approach and gameplan is."

[MikeM3]

The problem is trading at the time top prospects and then paying an almost FA quality extension for a guy and then treating him like he's Kyle Gibson.

 

That is a huge huge indictment on Atkins IMO

[BigCecil]

Interesting. Ross throws JS under bus for Berrios decision. At least Mr Roboto is laying it on the line.

[Omar]

Jim Bowden is a f***ing meathead

 

We all know exactly how this decision was made. The front office discussed the tactics at length. They laid out the justification to Schneider and impressed upon him why it made sense. He probably agreed with them.

 

Then the specifics of when exactly to pull the trigger are obviously up to JS.

 

It would not have been "here is an idea John. Take it or leave it"

 

It would be more like "here is what we think the optimal approach and gameplan is."

 

Ross Atkins just stated the exact opposite.

[BigCecil]

Ross Atkins just stated the exact opposite.

 

Hate listening to Ross but wouldn’t miss this one. He is being more frank than usual. Heat is on. So JS owns the Berrios call he says. He was not involved. This will open up a bunch more intrigue.

[TorontonianJD]

Ross throwing JS under the bus!

 

Refuses to admit that FO had anything to do with Berrios decision.

[BigCecil]

If JS made that call without a FO directive Omar and Gov and others are vindicated lol and JS needs to go and Atkins should also go for hiring and then extending him. There must also be public square stonings (I kid)

[L54]

I hope there’s somewhere I can watch this presser once it’s done

[ilovejohnschneider]

i've already seen some reactions from talking heads that straight up think atkins is lying. not sure how to feel about this, seems both coaching staff and FO are throwing each other under the bus.

[Ehjays]

Ross Atkins just stated the exact opposite.

 

[Ehjays]

[ilovejohnschneider]

kind of sounds like jays will clean house with the hitting coaches from what atkins is saying

[Ehjays]

Interesting. Ross throws JS under bus for Berrios decision. At least Mr Roboto is laying it on the line.

 

I believe its time for Ross to go. When people start getting thrown under the bus, its out of desperation. He has to go, and it must be soon.

[PitaBaby]

Looks like Ross is trying to protect his own ass.