Montoyo Fired

[Omar]

Nah. From all reports so far, this road was started on prior to that. The bottom line was, he lost the room. How he lost the room doesnt really matter at this point. It was probably not just 1 thing, but a combination as that's how these things usually play out. He just wasnt the right guy, they finally realized it, gave him a chance to reclaim it over the past few weeks, realized it was futile and finally did somethign about it.

 

That's what I mean by concerns about his leadership.

[John_Havok]

That's what I mean by concerns about his leadership.

 

Sure, but you said those concerns only came after the closed door meeting that the players had a few games ago. No chance that's when the brass found out. it would have been weeks before that they knew there was a problem, and were giving him a shot to right the ship.

[Omar]

Sure, but you said those concerns only came after the closed door meeting that the players had a few games ago. No chance that's when the brass found out. it would have been weeks before that they knew there was a problem, and were giving him a shot to right the ship.

 

Perhaps you're right. Firing Montoyo reflects on Atkins. He has now lost his buffer. He's next on the block now.

[G-Snarls]

Last 5 seasons combined there were zero managers fired in-season

 

This season there have already been 3

[Dagagad]

Nah. From all reports so far, this road was started on prior to that. The bottom line was, he lost the room. How he lost the room doesnt really matter at this point. It was probably not just 1 thing, but a combination as that's how these things usually play out. He just wasnt the right guy, they finally realized it, gave him a chance to reclaim it over the past few weeks, realized it was futile and finally did somethign about it.

 

Or, the FO was getting s*** from ownership that they had spent a ton of money and seen nothing yet, so they had to offer up the sacrificial goat.

[G-Snarls]

All the talk on MLB radio is:

 

- Charlie might be the nicest guy in MLB but not the best manager for all player types

 

- the decision had been made weeks ago to fire him

 

- decision cemented after bad road trip

 

- probably wanted to do it on the Monday off day but death affecting the coaching staff family made it distasteful to do it then

 

- didn't want to wait until Allstar break in case they went on a 6 game winning streak and would make them look stupid for firing him after that

Edited July 13, 2022 by G-Snarls

[travisinfla]

Well like Donaldson once said it's not the try league, it's the get it done league, eventually they're going to find people who can get it done.

It does send a message to everyone, that if you don't get it done, then Rogers, will find people that will, front office, coaches and players etc. That's the cut-throat nature of professional sports. So the whole team better get it done otherwise more heads will roll.

[Key22]

I have a friend who always complains that we don't hire big-name managers.

 

I remind him that if there are any big-name managers looking for a job it was because all their fans were complaining about said big-name manager's "bone-headed" bullpen management and crappy line-up cards and "why the hell did you bunt' etc etc. In other words, the so-called big-name managers were FIRED because the fan base thought he was an incompetent boob.

 

Indeed, some fans want these guys hired after they got fired multiple times in their careers.

 

Whoever the Jays choose as manager - if we lose - he will be vilified - hell Cito Gaston won two world series and most folks thought he was terrible. LOL. So you suck if you lose and you also suck if you win.

[Deadpool]

So you suck if you lose and you also suck if you win.

 

Does not apply to Gibby.

[et1965et]

Anyone know what Gibby is up to ?

[King]

I'm glad I will never have to see a bunt with 2 strikes again.

[Brownie19]

Last 5 seasons combined there were zero managers fired in-season

 

This season there have already been 3

 

I'm amazed at that. I wonder if that's a record or something???

[RobinThicc]

All the talk on MLB radio is:

 

- Charlie might be the nicest guy in MLB but not the best manager for all player types

 

- the decision had been made weeks ago to fire him

 

- decision cemented after bad road trip

 

- probably wanted to do it on the Monday off day but death affecting the coaching staff family made it distasteful to do it then

 

- didn't want to wait until Allstar break in case they went on a 6 game winning streak and would make them look stupid for firing him after that

 

If the decision was made weeks ago, they shouldve done it then and not waited.

 

If thats true, this management is actually a lot dumber than I thought.

[L54]

Montoyo is only a player's manager if you're a player who doesn't give a f***. A real player's manager is a guy like Gibby who punches you in the face, tells you to be better or you'll get traded and saves your career because he hits you with reality.

 

1000%

[jaysblue]

Miss Gibby! Would love to see the Jays bring him back.

[Spanky__99]

I agree. I'm sure there were some other underlying minor irritants. I now expect if they can find a deal that makes sense one or two of their regulars will be in a deal. They are gonna shake the team up. Maybe McGriff and Fernandez? Hopefully Shatkins had also had enough of some of the on the field baserunning sloppiness etc. This does send a message. Heat does turn up on them now.

 

Ross did mention, philosophical differences, as for the latter we shall see what he has up his sleeve soon.

[Stangstag]

Ross did mention, philosophical differences, as for the latter we shall see what he has up his sleeve soon.

 

I’m eager to see if Schneider replaces any of the other coaches. He said something like “im happy to be in charge of my own coaching staff” which to me sounded like he would be making some changes. Maybe I read into it too much

[Dagagad]

Ross did mention, philosophical differences, as for the latter we shall see what he has up his sleeve soon.

 

Charlie probably thought that a contender should have a decent bullpen or something crazy like that.

[Laika]

Montoyo never made sense

 

We was simultaneously NOT old school but also NOT progressive

 

I would assume he lost the players because of the former and lost the front office because of the latter

 

Like I bet the FO over time became slowly frustrated with his inability to just use all the information they were giving him. Probably a multi-year, painful education process and they just got sick of trying. He did improve slightly on the tactical side like we aren't seeing the really stupid bunts anymore.

[Terminator]

Charlie probably thought that a contender should have a decent bullpen or something crazy like that.

 

And yet despite a dumpster fire bullpen Charlie would pull a starter anytime they got to 85 pitches like an 86th pitch would literally make their elbows explode. Dude couldn’t manage a staff to save his life.

[Dagagad]

Montoyo never made sense

 

We was simultaneously NOT old school but also NOT progressive

 

I would assume he lost the players because of the former and lost the front office because of the latter

 

Like I bet the FO over time became slowly frustrated with his inability to just use all the information they were giving him. Probably a multi-year, painful education process and they just got sick of trying. He did improve slightly on the tactical side like we aren't seeing the really stupid bunts anymore.

 

Do you really believe the ‘lost the clubhouse’ thing? There was literally not a whisper of that before the firing. And you can always find one player to be your unnamed source. Not every player is going to like any manager.

 

I thought it was problems between him and the FO. The way he talked about Kikuchi was a pretty pointed message to them.

[Dagagad]

And yet despite a dumpster fire bullpen Charlie would pull a starter anytime they got to 85 pitches like an 86th pitch would literally make their elbows explode. Dude couldn’t manage a staff to save his life.

 

They didn’t always pull guys at 85 but I don’t think that will drastically change.

[Laika]

Do you really believe the ‘lost the clubhouse’ thing? There was literally not a whisper of that before the firing. And you can always find one player to be your unnamed source. Not every player is going to like any manager.

 

I thought it was problems between him and the FO. The way he talked about Kikuchi was a pretty pointed message to them.

 

It's not binary. Obviously we don't know but I feel like it's reasonable to think the players tired of his demeanor, just like more hard nosed fans despised his demeanor.

 

It's more like politician approval rating. I bet his player approval rating is lower now than ever.

[InvincibleTiger]

What a breath of fresh air Schneider is

[Terminator]

It seems like a couple of things. Montoyo is one of the most extreme player friendly managers I’ve seen. It’s natural for him but he also makes a concerted effort to be that way when he says things like “we played really well” after 8 game losing streaks to the Oakland A’s of the league. Maybe it’s just an act that got stale with the FO or the players or both. Might as well see if a new act can work.

 

Second, Schneider always seemed like the manager-in-training with the way they’ve been treating him. It was just a matter of time before they made him manager and now seemed like a good time to try him out. GMs get one free manager firing and Atkins used it. But now with giving Schneider a half season Atkins can make another move if he doesn’t think Schneider has the chops. It’s almost a free look at the guy they’ve been grooming.

[L54]

Believe it or not pro athletes want to be held accountable. This notion that managing the egos of millionaires is impossible because they’ll do what they want anyway is wrong.

 

These guys have spent quite literally their entire lives under the instruction of someone else. They thrive on being told what to do, having positive reinforcement when they do something right and being told when they are doing something wrong. Whether that’s in the weight room, analyzing swings, footwork on balls in play, etc. Their abilities don’t make them immune from criticism from superiors especially at the highest level. If that superior can’t hold them accountable then problems and bad habits will begin to surface.

[L54]

Do you really believe the ‘lost the clubhouse’ thing? There was literally not a whisper of that before the firing. And you can always find one player to be your unnamed source. Not every player is going to like any manager.

 

I thought it was problems between him and the FO. The way he talked about Kikuchi was a pretty pointed message to them.

 

I believe 100% that the clubhouse grew tired of Charlie. I think it’s pretty plain to see. Does that mean they don’t like him as a person? Doubt it. But they were probably tired of the way he was doing his job.

[L54]

Chuckles is the perfect minor league manager. No pressure to win, the ability to mesh with the staff and new guys year after year, positive attitude, allow the other coaches to work with players to develop skills and just sit back and oversee the operation.

[Laika]

Chuckles is the perfect minor league manager. No pressure to win, the ability to mesh with the staff and new guys year after year, positive attitude, allow the other coaches to work with players to develop skills and just sit back and oversee the operation.

 

He could also be a great bench coach or third base / first base coach.

[Dagagad]

Exactly. If the player is worth a f*** then he wants the manager to tell him how to get better. They want to get better so they get more money. Imagine this chucklehead literally playing bongos in a storage room, jesus christ.

 

And you can easily lose the lockerroom if hard ass players think you're too soft on their teammates. Bichette might not be having the greatest year but he strikes me as a guy who works 24/7. He probably would lose his mind if he saw chuckles going soft when Teo forgets to run back to 1b or something.

 

If it all it took to stop Bo from wildly swinging at stuff off the plate was a firm hand, then yea I’ll be pissed that it took this long.