General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Brownie19]

ScherLander would be a pretty sweet tandem but man would I be worried about them both dying on the mound. Having your top two arms at 38 and 40 would be slightly terrifying, expecially when youd be paying them 40 million+ each

 

I'm not sure Scherz or Verlander are any more likely to die on the mound than Manoah and Gausman are. These 2 are horses.

[Ehjays]

I'm not sure Scherz or Verlander are any more likely to die on the mound than Manoah and Gausman are. These 2 are horses.

 

I think Kirk hitting a triple might be more of a worry than those 2 dying on the mound

[John_Havok]

I'm not sure Scherz or Verlander are any more likely to die on the mound than Manoah and Gausman are. These 2 are horses.

 

Yeah, track record is there for sure, but I dont think its unreasonable to suggest that Verlander might have more injury risk as a 40 year old less than 2 years removed from a TJ surgery vs A guy like Manoah. Scherzer has had his share of nagging injuries too over the past few seasons. I'd be less worried about Scherzer than Verlander though just because of the TJ.

[L54]

At the end of the day you hope they’re healthy at the end of September and the rest of the team did enough to make the playoffs. Then you have a dynamite 1-2 punch at the top of your rotation

[Jimcanuck]

At the end of the day you hope they’re healthy at the end of September and the rest of the team did enough to make the playoffs. Then you have a dynamite 1-2 punch at the top of your rotation

 

I would say its more likely than not that at least one of them is on the IL in September.

[connorp]

I would say its more likely than not that at least one of them is on the IL in September.

 

If they’re doing fine in the standings, they will ramp them with the post-season in mind if there’s a non-season ending injury. Or play in cautious with anything later in the season.

 

I wouldn’t say it’s more than likely

[Laika]

I dunno, they are pretty f***ing old.

 

If you think both have a 30% chance of being on the IL in September/October... that's a 70% chance of health.

 

So chance both of them are healthy is 70%*70% = 49%.

 

Those are the injury odds to make it a coinflip. Maybe that chance of being hurt is too high though.

[Jonn]

Everyone who manages to make the highest level of the game is sort of a star.

 

Really weird tbh to want specific highest level players to make less money. Like, what happened to you as a child that makes you want to see guys like Santiago Espinal or Chris Boucher not get paid?

 

The uber stars can elevate their income with endorsements and s*** anyway.

 

Boucher is great when he shows up. Doesn’t happen often enough. His contract is not outrageous luckily. But more than a role player should make.

 

Espinal is platoon infielder who should be making close to the minimum his entire career and float around the league on multiple teams. I was actually annoyed when he made the All-Star team lol

[L54]

I would say its more likely than not that at least one of them is on the IL in September.

 

I don’t think that’s true but who knows

 

Didn’t they both get shelled their first start of the post season this year? Big yikes!

[L54]

On the IL in September* is different than not on the post season roster

[RobinThicc]

 

Heandog on his way. Get it done Atkins

[Jonn]

Lets hope Heaney has really figured it out because last time he was in the AL East he was an absolute pumpkin.

 

But those strikeout numbers last season were f***ing outstanding.

[glory]

Heandog on his way. Get it done Atkins

 

Yeah, I think Heaney will end up with the Jays, but I'm terrified of what the contract will look like given how the market is right now.

[Brownie19]

Lets hope Heaney has really figured it out because last time he was in the AL East he was an absolute pumpkin.

 

But those strikeout numbers last season were f***ing outstanding.

 

Heaney's career xFIP is better than Manoah and Berrios. Just need him to stay healthy. 3 years $35M

[Stangstag]

Heaney's career xFIP is better than Manoah and Berrios. Just need him to stay healthy. 3 years $35M

 

Its not gonna be less than Kikuchi. Probably closer to 3/50

[Laika]

Its not gonna be less than Kikuchi. Probably closer to 3/50

 

Unless he wants to take a one year deal and position himself for a possible big contract.

 

Right now he does not have the track record to get a big deal. He only started 14 games last year and in 2021 he was not very good.

 

If he takes a 1 year deal and has 30 starts with good numbers, he might get a nice 4 year contract. Like 4/$80 or more.

[RustyTrombone]

Heaney's career xFIP is better than Manoah and Berrios. Just need him to stay healthy. 3 years $35M

 

Eflin got 3/40, Heany is far better on a per IP basis. Heany gets 3/45+ minimum. If someone goes 4/60 he probably signs right now.

[Brownie19]

Unless he wants to take a one year deal and position himself for a possible big contract.

 

Right now he does not have the track record to get a big deal. He only started 14 games last year and in 2021 he was not very good.

 

If he takes a 1 year deal and has 30 starts with good numbers, he might get a nice 4 year contract. Like 4/$80 or more.

 

Let's hope for this. But if he wants a pillow deal, the AL East is the wrong place to be.

[Brownie19]

Eflin got 3/40, Heany is far better on a per IP basis. Heany gets 3/45+ minimum. If someone goes 4/60 he probably signs right now.

 

I guess that's true. I think you really have to believe in the arm and his stuff to go 3/$45M.

[Laika]

Let's hope for this. But if he wants a pillow deal, the AL East is the wrong place to be.

 

I don't think this is really true anymore. Everybody knows about park factors. Everybody uses league adjusted stats.

 

Toronto has a good track record recently, if you ignore Kikuchi. Ray excelled here, so did Matz. Manoah broke in well.

 

And if you sign a pillow deal and succeed in the AL East, f***, nobody can question your ability.

[Jimcanuck]

Verlander signs elsewhere, so the Jays pivot.

 

Verlander would have been $40M/year which means Jays have the money for Heaney, Stripling and another piece. Move one of the C for CF.

[Terminator]

Toronto has a good track record recently, if you ignore Kikuchi. Ray excelled here, so did Matz. Manoah broke in well.

 

Pete Walker got on the sauce again and apparently his big idea to fix Kikuchi was to calm his nerves by having the team feed him drinks all year.

 

It's imperative that the Jays get both Walker AND Kikuchi off the booze if they want to win this year.

[The_DH]

Verlander signs elsewhere, so the Jays pivot.

 

Verlander would have been $40M/year which means Jays have the money for Heaney, Stripling and another piece. Move one of the C for CF.

 

maybe throw Kikuchi in with Jansen and Cimber for Metz and Nootbaar. then sign one of Heaney or Stripling and a lefty bat to play lf-dh. Balances the lineup and rotation.

[wilko]

Pete Walker got on the sauce again and apparently his big idea to fix Kikuchi was to calm his nerves by having the team feed him drinks all year.

 

It's imperative that the Jays get both Walker AND Kikuchi off the booze if they want to win this year.

 

Couple drinks Terminator.

[Daniel Labude]

I don't think this is really true anymore. Everybody knows about park factors. Everybody uses league adjusted stats.

 

Toronto has a good track record recently, if you ignore Kikuchi. Ray excelled here, so did Matz. Manoah broke in well.

 

And if you sign a pillow deal and succeed in the AL East, f***, nobody can question your ability.

 

A Good track record is what we call Berrios 2022 now......

[Stangstag]

A Good track record is what we call Berrios 2022 now......

 

1 bad year. We’ll see how it turns out but literally everyone was happy with the deal at the time.

[Ron tokama]

maybe throw Kikuchi in with Jansen and Cimber for Metz and Nootbaar. then sign one of Heaney or Stripling and a lefty bat to play lf-dh. Balances the lineup and rotation.

 

You aren’t getting Nootbaar for that package. Cardinals wouldn’t benefit at all selling low on arguably their best young player. O’Neil for Jansen plus a prospect or Jansen for Burleson swap is far more realistic.

[Laika]

You aren’t getting Nootbaar for that package. Cardinals wouldn’t benefit at all selling low on arguably their best young player. O’Neil for Jansen plus a prospect or Jansen for Burleson swap is far more realistic.

 

Why would Toronto have to add anything to Jansen, to get O'Neill? They are pretty close in value.

 

Burleson is not worth Jansen. He's interesting but seems like a platoon guy, and possibly not a very good defensive OF.

 

You a Cards fan?

[Carlos Danger]

maybe throw Kikuchi in with Jansen and Cimber for Metz and Nootbaar. then sign one of Heaney or Stripling and a lefty bat to play lf-dh. Balances the lineup and rotation.

 

Why would the Cards want Kikuchi?

[The_DH]

to dump Metz maybe? Bad lefty contract for a bad lefty contract.