Matt Chapman to the Jays for Hoglund, Smith, Logue, and Snead

[John_Havok]

It's cause his arm is so powerful and he doesn't know his own strength.

 

I read that one of the Armed Forces generals caught the game the other day when Tapia nailed the runner at second. He was so impressed that now the ground firing missiles are being called "Ramiels"

 

Impressive.

[TwistedLogic]

As good a defender as Semien is, Chapman is still better, so I don't think "may have" is a necessary qualifier.

 

Semien might actually not even be as good of a defender as we thought.

 

FanGraphs upgraded their defensive metrics with more Statcast input and Semien lost 3.5 defensive WAR across the last five seasons.

[TwistedLogic]

Also, funnily enough, Tatis is a better defender than the numbers showed him as through last season.

 

With the FanGraphs defense update, he jumped from #10 in the league to #1 in the league for 2021 fWAR.

[max silver]

Semien might actually not even be as good of a defender as we thought.

 

FanGraphs upgraded their defensive metrics with more Statcast input and Semien lost 3.5 defensive WAR across the last five seasons.

 

It's apparent that outside of 2018 that Semien was more of a good defender rather than great defender at short stop. His metrics, whether DRS, UZR or OAA all suggest that the bulk of his defensive value was derived from being steady defensively and limiting errors. He had to have benefited tremendously from playing next to Matt Chapman for so many years as this would greatly limit the impact limited range would have on his overall results. He made a great career decision agreeing to move to second base as his arm and range are much more suited to this position and allows him to be a true plus defender.

[Spanky99]

Semien might actually not even be as good of a defender as we thought.

 

FanGraphs upgraded their defensive metrics with more Statcast input and Semien lost 3.5 defensive WAR across the last five seasons.

 

Didi losing 6.3 WAR is nuts!

[Spanky99]

Yuck on its own. I hope they don’t even give up Groshans. Why not aggressively go after E. Escobar for 2 years, who wouldve been easier to stomach at the plate and still play solid D

 

f*** CB man. He goes from making me think about FF 1b, Vlad 3b (which I don’t think would be disaster some think) to a defensive whiz that could possiblly be unbearable in the lineup. Can’t wait for the GDTs

 

You also give up literally nothing. Chapman isnt an ideal bounce back guy imo at the plate

 

Matt Chapman takes the tingle out of the pants from Freeman (who prob will be some crazy amount I concede), Ramirez, Ketel.. his K trend is very concerning. Why are you sabr nerds pretending that red flag isn’t there. Wait for the GDTs.

 

Elite defense, good walk rates, and pop, what's not to like, save for the K-rate? Are Marte and Ramirez even on the market?

 

Shaddup... f*** the GDT's.

 

he doesn't even have to get better for the trade to be solid

 

he can hit 7th, strikeout 30% of the time, and still be a 100 wRC+, 3 WAR player

 

I think more than anything I’m just initially upset bc I thought Jays would make a bigger move somewhere. Idk. Guess the dust all has to settle. His offensive profile trajectory

is concerning though. You can be near or bullish on it I guess.

 

I’m on record for saying Eduardo Escobar. 1.1 WAR to 0.4 so far. 10% down

 

How'd that workout?

[connorp]

How'd that workout?

 

Get a job bro lol

[Spanky99]

Get a job bro lol

 

Hahahaha... F = FAIL

[connorp]

Hahahaha... F = FAIL

 

You know what GFY stands for too?

[Spanky99]

You know what GFY stands for too?

 

Indeed.

[Grant77]

This is an absolutely stellar acquisition of my number 1 target going into the offseason.

 

Our biggest concerns at the end of last season were the lack of a third baseman and poor team defense/general run prevention. The impact that a a gold glove third baseman will have on this team can't be overstated.

 

Some will being up his handedness, but it needs to be noted that this team led the league in OPS against right handed pitchers last year. Chapman himself has identical splits against RHP and LHP. A lefty bat would be nice, but this addresses far more issues. A Biggio/Espinal tandem at 2B will be really solid in my opinion.

 

Chapman really has made a huge impact on defense. Great acquisition.

[WryNGinger]

Chapman really has made a huge impact on defense. Great acquisition.

 

I think a lot of people thought he would make the biggest difference in improving defense on Ryu's starts since Ryu had the "highest?" ground balls hit to 3rd in the AL last year...whoops...lol. Still a huge impact on D for sure.

[connorp]

Chapman really has made a huge impact on defense. Great acquisition.

 

I think you had him in the MVP convo if I’m not mistaken. Part of why it was so huge is the Jays had literally the worst defensive 3b in the league over there in Biggio many games last year, not making plays that changed the course of games. You could put slap hitting Espinal over there and it would’ve been a huge improvement.

 

Chapman has been below average hitter 2/3 of the season, not going to apologize for being disappointed Jays didn’t pull trigger on JRam or FF. No doubt Chapman was a clear upgrade but hopefully he hits in the playoffs as Jays could’ve made playoffs with an average 2 WAR guy there like EE no problem

[Spanky99]

I think you had him in the MVP convo if I’m not mistaken. Part of why it was so huge is the Jays had literally the worst defensive 3b in the league over there in Biggio many games last year, not making plays that changed the course of games. You could put slap hitting Espinal over there and it would’ve been a huge improvement.

 

Chapman has been below average hitter 2/3 of the season, not going to apologize for being disappointed Jays didn’t pull trigger on JRam or FF. No doubt Chapman was a clear upgrade but hopefully he hits in the playoffs as Jays could’ve made playoffs with an average 2 WAR guy there like EE no problem

 

C - POOP... F = Fail

 

Imagine typing that... *smh*

[Grant77]

I think you had him in the MVP convo if I’m not mistaken. Part of why it was so huge is the Jays had literally the worst defensive 3b in the league over there in Biggio many games last year, not making plays that changed the course of games. You could put slap hitting Espinal over there and it would’ve been a huge improvement.

 

Chapman has been below average hitter 2/3 of the season, not going to apologize for being disappointed Jays didn’t pull trigger on JRam or FF. No doubt Chapman was a clear upgrade but hopefully he hits in the playoffs as Jays could’ve made playoffs with an average 2 WAR guy there like EE no problem

 

Perhaps in 2019, but certainly not for this season. I predicted some substantial improvement on his 2021 numbers at the plate, which is what we have seen.

 

Considering what we gave up, questioning this move was and is pretty ridiculous. We wouldn't be in this same situation with Escobar instead.

[connorp]

I’m not questioning it. That would only come into play if Hoglund became a stud. As of now looks like a solid move, but not the impact FF or JRam would’ve been, which was clearly most of my gripe

[Spanky99]

I’m not questioning it. That would only come into play if Hoglund became a stud. As of now looks like a solid move, but not the impact FF or JRam would’ve been, which was clearly most of my gripe

 

And than what? Genius?

[Stangstag]

I’m not questioning it. That would only come into play if Hoglund became a stud. As of now looks like a solid move, but not the impact FF or JRam would’ve been, which was clearly most of my gripe

 

You’re assuming either of them were actually attainable.

 

What if JRam had cost Kirk + Manoah? Still worth it? Is it a big impact if we had lost the impact of Kirk/Manoah? If we blow the bank for Freeman, who plays 3rd all year? Espinal? Biggio at 2nd and Espy at 3rd?? Idk dude neither of those made sense over the Chapman move, even at the time.

 

You could argue they should have gone harder after Escobar

[WryNGinger]

I’m not questioning it. That would only come into play if Hoglund became a stud. As of now looks like a solid move, but not the impact FF or JRam would’ve been, which was clearly most of my gripe

 

Holy f***...you flip-flop like tweaker on Spring-break... I don't know why anyone here is even responding...it's a s*** take... You honestly can't expect to come on this site with s*** takes and not expect to get nutted on... wipe your face and move on bro.

[Eat My Shatkins]

lol, I dunno but I'm pretty happy with this team the way the Jays front office built it. Chapman included.

 

It's a 91+ win team that's clinched a playoff spot, and that's with a few notable individual underperformances and not really any glaring individual overperformances and they have pretty much everybody on the roster coming back next season except for Stripling, unless they can get him re-signed.

 

s***, last year we had Semien, Ray and Vladdy all with massive career years, and Semien and Ray were pending free agents. Still ended up tying (and maybe beating) last years win total despite nobody really having a career year this year save for Manoah I guess. In a pretty damn good spot IMO.

[connorp]

You’re assuming either of them were actually attainable.

 

What if JRam had cost Kirk + Manoah? Still worth it? Is it a big impact if we had lost the impact of Kirk/Manoah? If we blow the bank for Freeman, who plays 3rd all year? Espinal? Biggio at 2nd and Espy at 3rd?? Idk dude neither of those made sense over the Chapman move, even at the time.

 

You could argue they should have gone harder after Escobar

 

I thought Vlad would be up to the task. I thought he’d get in shape enough to be at least average there. Beltran for everyone hot in the shorts. FF would’ve been sexy as hell in the lineup, especially come playoff time facing elite pitching. I actually always thought JRam was longshot so never really got excited for that

[connorp]

Holy f***...you flip-flop like tweaker on Spring-break... I don't know why anyone here is even responding...it's a s*** take... You honestly can't expect to come on this site with s*** takes and not expect to get nutted on... wipe your face and move on bro.

 

Listen bro, I know you can probably sense I was one of those “cool kids” that you really resented growing up. I’m sorry the world works like it does. But no need to get back at me now.

 

My gripe all along was Chappy’s bat. I never really questioned if he would make the team better. I watched the Jays in 2021. So take your anger out on your sex doll please

[WryNGinger]

Listen bro, I know you can probably sense I was one of those “cool kids” that you really resented growing up. I’m sorry the world works like it does. But no need to get back at me now.

 

My gripe all along was Chappy’s bat. I never really questioned if he would make the team better. I watched the Jays in 2021. So take your anger out on your sex doll please

 

"anger"...lol. ok man... You do make a hell of a speech though

[L54]

Wow Chapman was a 4 WAR player this year

[Spanky99]

Listen bro, I know you can probably sense I was one of those “cool kids” that you really resented growing up. I’m sorry the world works like it does. But no need to get back at me now.

 

My gripe all along was Chappy’s bat. I never really questioned if he would make the team better. I watched the Jays in 2021. So take your anger out on your sex doll please

 

His bat is near above 20% of average though, accumulating over 4 fWAR??? Your assumption sucked donkey dick? Idiot, who cares what you wanted.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Spanky99

[Spanky99]

Wow Chapman was a 4 WAR player this year

 

4+ lol

 

Connor failed twice, hard.

 

Chappy and Jano suxxxxxxxxxx

[Eat My Shatkins]

Had to look at JRam's second half because I swear he had close to 5 fWAR by mid season or so, and he ended up with 5.9 fWAR. He only had a 104 wRC+ since the all star break. Chappy was 130 wRC+ after the AS break.

[Spanky99]

Had to look at JRam's second half because I swear he had close to 5 fWAR by mid season or so, and he ended up with 5.9 fWAR. He only had a 104 wRC+ since the all star break. Chappy was 130 wRC+ after the AS break.

 

Yup as an owner, he's s*** the bed. Playoffs are a new animal, he's exceptional.

[Stangstag]

Wow Chapman was a 4 WAR player this year

 

Exact same WAR as last year lol. Also exact same # of homers.

[Stangstag]

Had to look at JRam's second half because I swear he had close to 5 fWAR by mid season or so, and he ended up with 5.9 fWAR. He only had a 104 wRC+ since the all star break. Chappy was 130 wRC+ after the AS break.

 

Interesting