Rank recent Blue Jays managers

[G-Snarls]

How bad is Montoyo compared to Cito and Farrell? With the recognition there may be some recency bias please rank those who managed at least a couple seasons in the last 30 years

 

Cito Gaston

Charlie Montoyo

John Gibbons

John Farrell

Jim Fregosi

Carlos Tosca

Buck Martinez

[TwistedLogic]

- Gibby

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- Montoyo

- Cito

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- Farrell

 

 

Didn't watch Cito enough so maybe he was better than Chuckles. Didn't watch the others at all. I've heard Buck was atrocious.

[BTS]

How bad is Montoyo compared to Cito and Farrell? With the recognition there may be some recency bias please rank those who managed at least a couple seasons in the last 30 years

 

Cito Gaston

Charlie Montoyo

John Gibbons

John Farrell

Jim Fregosi

Carlos Tosca

Buck Martinez

 

Gibbons

Farrell

Tosca

Gaston

Fregosi

Montoyo

Martinez

[Abomination]

How bad is Montoyo compared to Cito and Farrell? With the recognition there may be some recency bias please rank those who managed at least a couple seasons in the last 30 years

 

Cito Gaston

Charlie Montoyo

John Gibbons

John Farrell

Jim Fregosi

Carlos Tosca

Buck Martinez

 

Can we just pull out Gibbons 2.0 and flush the rest? Maybe Buck deserves to be flushed in clean water rather than mixed with everyone else.

[Daniel Labude]

John Schneider

Cito Gaston

Charlie Montoyo

John Gibbons

John Farrell

 

Unknown:

 

Jim Fregosi

Carlos Tosca

Buck Martinez

[Brownie19]

John Gibbons. That's it. That's my list.

[G-Snarls]

I'll say

 

Gibbons (easily the best)

 

Gaston (I didn't like Cito at the time but we've had many worse since)

 

Montoyo

Farrell

 

I dont remember much about Fregosi and Martinez as managers except that were also roughly lower tier. Let's face it this team has been cursed with a lot of mediocre managers.

 

As much as Montoyo drives me crazy I still think Farrell was actually worse. I'll never get over him winning a WS and MOTY when he went back to Boston my entire life so maybe that biases me a bit too.

[Olerud363]

Didn't watch Cito enough so maybe he was better than Chuckles. Didn't watch the others at all. I've heard Buck was atrocious.

 

You are going to get two versions of reality here, however according to some (and I agree with them) Cito Gaston is by far the worst manager in Blue Jays history and one of the most poisonous people alive. Others will tell you he is a god who created Jose Bautista and is the most loved players manager ever (he is loved by the veterans he gave constant playing time to, whether they deserved it or not).

 

(Broken record rant starting)

 

Cito was an x-hitting coach, and surrounded himself with Cronies and was in constant passive aggressive stand-offs with this hitters. He allocated playing time based on 'veteran presence' and his lineups gave away 20 or 30 runs a year at least.

 

He played favorites, and you were screwed if you weren't in his good books as a young player (or a random vet was blocking you).

 

Imagine Randall Grichuk hitting 3rd. Or imagine Teoscar Hernandez having to be traded because Cito liked Grichuk better. Or imagine Cito pushing to acquire Roughned Odor to replace Biggio.

 

Imagine Guerrero having an all-time season then taking a step back to very good (like .290 25 90 with a good on base) and Cito starting to bench him because he's "not in contention" for the triple crown).

 

Or imagine Freddie Galvis being retained, and getting 1/4 of Bichette's playing time while Bichette learned the ropes.

 

Stuff like that regularly happened under Cito (the ghost of Ruben Sierra playing for Green, Olerud getting platooned after winning the batting title, then benched for Jacob Brumfield, Green, Gonzales, Delgado, Stewart all brought along very slow while Otis Nixon, the ghost of Joe Carter, Juan Samuel played).

 

I mean for Gods sake even when winning the world series he played a incredibly, unbelievably terrible Pat Tabler 1/3 of the time. Wow.

 

In his second go there was stuff too. Like Alex Rios and Scott Rolen were lost midway through 2009. He took a 2009 team with a Halladay Cy Young like season, good players all over and mis-managed it to 75 wins. Admittedly Rolen became EE, Bautista had a break under Cito, so some will argue the seeds for the 2015 team came about because of him). Like I said polarizing guy who has his fans, who we may hear from.

 

Rant over

[Stangstag]

Gibbons

Farrell

Montoyo

Gaston

 

Not old enough to remember the rest

[G-Snarls]

It's hard to compare Cito

 

Some of the stupid s*** he did was commonplace at that time and just reflected that era

 

He also had such a ridiculously good team that even Montoyo and Farrell could have won a WS with them. Especially after he was gifted the best leadoff hitter in baseball history and made his lineup construction easy. Even though Joe Carter shoukd not have been hitting third before they got Henderson it probably didn't matter much.

Edited July 19, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Deadpool]

Gibbons

Bobby Cox (since "recent" is already being stretched here.)

One giant pile of dogshit.

[wilko]

I remember when Buck went from the booth to manager. After he was fired he ran outta Toronto for a few years. I think he did some work for the O's.

 

John Gibbons

John Farrell

Charlie Montoyo

Cito Gaston

Carlos Tosca

Jim Fregosi

Buck Martinez

[G-Snarls]

Gibbons

Bobby Cox (since "recent" is already being stretched here.)

One giant pile of dogshit.

 

I've gone too far lol

[TwistedLogic]

I'm surprised how high Farrell is on people's lists. I know the alternatives are mostly a pile of s*** as well but Farrell was f***ing atrocious.

 

I wouldn't trade Montoyo for Farrell if the option existed to do so.

[G-Snarls]

I'm surprised how high Farrell is on people's lists. I know the alternatives are mostly a pile of s*** as well but Farrell was f***ing atrocious.

 

I wouldn't trade Montoyo for Farrell if the option existed to do so.

 

Same

 

John Farrell:

 

Poor people skills

Poor bullpen management

Poor understanding of game strategy

 

Sounded smart during interviews

 

Montoyo

 

Good people skills

Poor bullpen management

Poor game strategy

 

Sounds dumb AF during interviews

Edited July 19, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Stangstag]

I'm surprised how high Farrell is on people's lists. I know the alternatives are mostly a pile of s*** as well but Farrell was f***ing atrocious.

 

I wouldn't trade Montoyo for Farrell if the option existed to do so.

 

Reasons? I can’t really remember him being BAD, I just remember general frustration.

[G-Snarls]

Reasons? I can’t really remember him being BAD, I just remember general frustration.

 

Part of the problem was the players no doubt. Such an awful seaon especially 2012.

 

But I thought he was terrible too

[Sorrow]

Gibbons

 

Montoyo

 

Gaston

 

Farrell

 

I think Farrell was a dog s*** manager. Gibbons was a good manager that the players liked and he had good bullpen management. Gaston is quite polarizing. Montoyo for his warts the players seem to like him.

[TwistedLogic]

Reasons? I can’t really remember him being BAD, I just remember general frustration.

 

That's how it is with every manager. Five years from now you won't remember Montoyo being bad either, just general frustration.

 

As much as I loathe Montoyo's bullpen management, it isn't as bad as Farrell trotting f***ing Francisco Cordero out there every night.

[G-Snarls]

That's how it is with every manager. Five years from now you won't remember Montoyo being bad either, just general frustration.

 

As much as I loathe Montoyo's bullpen management, it isn't as bad as Farrell trotting f***ing Francisco Cordero out there every night.

 

He went to Cito school for sure

[G-Snarls]

That's how it is with every manager. Five years from now you won't remember Montoyo being bad either, just general frustration.

 

As much as I loathe Montoyo's bullpen management, it isn't as bad as Farrell trotting f***ing Francisco Cordero out there every night.

 

The best part of this post is picturing Montoyo being long forgotten in 5 short years

[Deadpool]

The best part of this post is picturing Montoyo being long forgotten in 5 short years

 

Maybe we can get him on record lying about serving in Vietnam?

[Terminator]

Yeah Tim Johnson was probably the worst one we had. I don't remember if he actually knew the game or not but his constant lying got him fired after just a single season. I remember some of the players talking tons of s*** about him on his way out.

[jaysblue]

George Knox was my favourite manager!

[Grant77]

How bad is Montoyo compared to Cito and Farrell? With the recognition there may be some recency bias please rank those who managed at least a couple seasons in the last 30 years

 

Cito Gaston

Charlie Montoyo

John Gibbons

John Farrell

Jim Fregosi

Carlos Tosca

Buck Martinez

 

Gaston

Gibbons

Tosca

Fregosi

Martinez

Montoyo

Farrell

[Terminator]

Why is everyone not ranking Tim Johnson? He came after Cito so he is recent enough.

[Benito]

Why is everyone not ranking Tim Johnson? He came after Cito so he is recent enough.

 

I think original poster has a 2 season minimum criteria.

 

I was around from Cito to present. I only liked Gibby. Everyone else is pretty much forgettable. What a sad list of managers in the Jays history.

[Terminator]

I think original poster has a 2 season minimum criteria.

 

I was around from Cito to present. I only liked Gibby. Everyone else is pretty much forgettable. What a sad list of managers in the Jays history.

 

You're right. I can't read.

[Jimcanuck]

John Gibbons II

John Gibbons I

Cito Gaston I

Jim Fregosi

Carlos Tosca

Cito Gaston II

Chuckles Montoya

John Farrell

Buck Martinez

[Spanky99]

Gibbons

Farrell

Tosca

Gaston

Fregosi

Montoyo

Martinez

 

This, thanks.