Trade Deadline Rumors and Discussion Thread 2021

[Ehjays]

I am open to it, for sure. But I would like a upgrade at 3B, probably a rental, before the Gallo upgrade. Both, and then Cruz would make this absolutely the best lineup the Jays have ever had.

 

I believe Gallo has played 3B before, so he cant be any worse than Biggio over there

[Eat My Shatkins]

I believe Gallo has played 3B before, so he cant be any worse than Biggio over there

 

Gallo played 72 games at 3B in 2017

 

That's somewhat intriguing. It was a while ago, but like you said, he can't be worse than Biggio really.

[max silver]

I believe Gallo has played 3B before, so he cant be any worse than Biggio over there

 

Gallo was better than Biggio at third base in his small sampling, but he still grades out as a very poor third base defender. It would pretty foolish to shoehorn him into the position when he's a plus defender in the outfield, and repeating the Biggio mistake of forcing a player into a position they aren't suited for.

[King]

Players with elite or even good command do NOT have the BB/9 and K/BB numbers that Pardinho has posted in the minors.

 

Look at what Chris Paddack did in the minors if you want an actual reference point for plus command down there.

IIRC when people used to talk about Pardinho as being "advanced" it was more of a reference to his feel for spin and the fact that he had multiple viable pitches at such a young age. Also people liked his mechanics and delivery. With decent command layered in. So more of a total package thing - he just ticked a lot of boxes.

 

Or Shane Bieber

[keggy]

You are undervaluing Gallo by quite a bit. Gallo's half season results in 2019 (he was injured to end 2019) and 2021 each basically match the WAR output for Gurriel's entire career. Gallo is a player capable of producing 140 WRC+ offense while providing plus defense in the outfield. Gurriel looks like one of baseballs best hitters when he goes on a hot streak, but he's frustratingly inconsistent to the point where he can quickly become a sub-replacement level player when he goes on one of his extended cold streaks. He's somehow gotten far worse in the outfield in 2021 than he displayed in 2020 to the point where he's become a defensive liability. Adding Gallo to the outfield is a massive upgrade, the defense is improved dramatically, and a much needed quality left handed bat is added to the lineup.

 

Gallo is absolutely one of the best OF in baseball this year. Gallo's profile is fascinating.

 

He's historically bad at the single most important tool for a position player (making contact), but he's average to elite at every other aspect of baseball.

 

I'm not optimistic about the long term outlook for someone with such an unstable profile, but for this year he's a game-changer in the short term.

[bronson44]

Add Kimbrel and Kennedy and this team is a serious World Series contender

[Sammy225]

I wanna know if Kyle Gibson is available. If so I would throw a nice package at him. 7m owed next year if we could get a deal around Gibson and Kennedy i would be game for that.

[jaysblue]

Focus on stacking up in the bullpen and add another big bat or two. Starting pitching likely will be too expensive.

 

In a short postseason series, having Ryu, Manoah, Ray and one of Matz, Pearson or Stripling as a No. 4 option isn't bad.

 

Focus on shortening the games by adding elite relievers. Go hard after one of Kimbrel, Ian Kennedy, Richard Rodriguez and some other elite late inning guys. Bring in a big bat like Gallo and/or Cruz. Would be awesome!

[Laika]

Focus on stacking up in the bullpen and add another big bat or two. Starting pitching likely will be too expensive.

 

In a short postseason series, having Ryu, Manoah, Ray and one of Matz, Pearson or Stripling as a No. 4 option isn't bad.

 

Focus on shortening the games by adding elite relievers. Go hard after one of Kimbrel, Ian Kennedy, Richard Rodriguez and some other elite late inning guys. Bring in a big bat like Gallo and/or Cruz. Would be awesome!

 

Yeah I don't see Toronto being able to reasonably acquire a SP who will be a big enough upgrade. Bullpen heroes are needed but that's about it.

[Benito]

Saw this random tweet:

 

 

Jansen for Bellinger. lol.

[RustyTrombone]

Still would love to see us go hard after Eduardo Escobar, although his price might be going up lately.

[connorp]

Does Bellinger still have options? Jesus. He’s so bad rn

[wilko]

Saw this random tweet:

 

 

Jansen for Bellinger. lol.

 

2019's starting to look like a fluke.

[JG34]

The Athletic had a round table sort of chat with the writers for the Rangers, Braves and Jays about trading for Gallo. This is the packages the Rangers writer suggested to the Jays.

 

Kaitlyn, as for the Blue Jays, I have three proposals for you:

 

Gallo, Kyle Gibson and Kennedy for Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Simeon Woods Richardson, Orelvis Martinez and Alejandro Kirk.

 

Gibson, Kennedy and Triple-A infielder Charles Leblanc (a Quebec native) for Woods Richardson and either Gurriel or Martinez.

 

Gibson and Leblanc for Woods Richardson and Kirk.

[Eat My Shatkins]

No to trading Kirk or Martinez

[z3r0s]

yeah those are all pretty bad packages.

[Abomination]

The Athletic had a round table sort of chat with the writers for the Rangers, Braves and Jays about trading for Gallo. This is the packages the Rangers writer suggested to the Jays.

 

Kaitlyn, as for the Blue Jays, I have three proposals for you:

 

Gallo, Kyle Gibson and Kennedy for Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Simeon Woods Richardson, Orelvis Martinez and Alejandro Kirk.

 

Gibson, Kennedy and Triple-A infielder Charles Leblanc (a Quebec native) for Woods Richardson and either Gurriel or Martinez.

 

Gibson and Leblanc for Woods Richardson and Kirk.

 

Very hard pass on all 3 of those!

[JG34]

Here’s Kaitlyn’s initial proposal:

 

Kaitlyn McGrath: The Blue Jays are in an interesting position, and there is potential for them to have a strong second half, and not just because they’re heading back to play in Toronto after nearly two years away.

 

Their offence is among the best in the majors but the left-handed Gallo would make it even better, plus it wouldn’t hurt to upgrade their outfield defence, either.

 

Pitching is a bigger need, particularly in the bullpen, where the team has faced injury challenges. They could use another closer type, where Kennedy factors in.

 

As for starting pitching, the Blue Jays need depth. Gibson has some red flags since he looks due for regression and Globe Life Field is playing like a pitchers’ park, which the Rogers Centre is not. But, the Blue Jays have had an interest in the right-hander before.

 

For Gallo and Kennedy, similarly, I’ll lay out options as DOB did, and we can go from there. Maybe if that doesn’t work, we can pivot to a Gibson deal.

 

One of the MLB outfielders, Randal Grichuk, who can play all three spots, but mostly centre or right field, or Lourdes Gurriel Jr., who is a left fielder who can play first base.

Jordan Groshans, a first-round pick in 2018, is listed as the team’s No. 6 prospect, per Keith Law, and is currently at the Double-A level.

One of infielder Otto Lopez, a super-utility type in Double A, or Leo Jimenez, a second baseman/shortstop having a strong season in Low A.

Trent Palmer, a 2020 third-round draft pick. He’s a 22-year-old right-hander who could project as a starter or reliever and is pitching in Low A this season.

Do any of those names excite you?

 

Newberg’s response:

The problem with Grichuk is he’ll be 30 when next season begins and he’s locked up through 2023 at a little over $10 million a year for what’s been relatively average production. I’m not sure that helps Texas the next two seasons, given the state of the team. Even though pitcher Cole Winn and infielder Josh Jung have taken huge steps and first-round pick Jack Leiter should sign by Aug. 1, the Rangers are still at least two years away. Grichuk’s financial commitment — for a player they wouldn’t be building around — would create a new problem. Gurriel is the better option for Texas.

 

With Groshans, the fit wouldn’t be obvious unless they’re convinced he can stick at shortstop. The pitcher-shortstop idea could keep the Rangers in a conversation, but for Gallo and Kennedy, they need more potential impact. I know better than to ask for Nate Pearson, but I still have the audacity to check in on Alek Manoah before turning to Simeon Woods Richardson. I won’t bring up Austin Martin, either, but rather than Groshans, can we talk about Orelvis Martinez (also a shortstop who has seen time at third base)? Martinez is two years younger and that’s a plus for where the Rangers are.

 

Palmer is walking more than a batter an inning and that probably wards the Rangers off.

 

So think about Gurriel, Manoah (or Woods Richardson) and Martinez. If that package is on the table, we can flesh things out further.

[JG34]

Second proposal:

 

McGrath: I really thought I could entice you with Groshans, a good ol’ Texas boy, who’s having a fine season in Double A, with a .794 OPS before Tuesday, playing shortstop and third base. I understand why you’re asking about Martinez, but where it gets complicated is he may be on his way to becoming their best overall prospect — he went on a tear last week, hitting .500/.563/1.357 with seven home runs — and making himself untouchable.

 

There’s another impasse with the arms you’re requesting. The Blue Jays need more pitching, not less, and Manoah is a key part of their rotation this year. He’s not going anywhere. If we’re going to talk about moving a pitcher of Woods Richardson’s calibre, I think we need to involve Gibson in the deal. But what if instead of Woods Richardson or Manoah, we involve the 6-foot-5 righty Adam Kloffenstein instead? And what about the offensively talented 22-year-old catcher Alejandro Kirk? Does that pique your interest? The Blue Jays have a surplus of catchers and could manage to move one.

 

Newberg: Why are you so determined to break Groshans and Kloffenstein up, Kaitlyn? They were teammates in high school and who knows how long before that!

 

Kloffenstein’s walk numbers, like Palmer’s, are concerning. Definitely a prospect, but two pennant races of Gibson, especially at his pay rate (a little over $4 million left this year and then $7 million for 2022), are going to cost you more.

[gruber92]

The Rangers can f*** right off.

[Ray]

Those packages are pretty ridiculous for 1.5 years of Joey Gallo.

 

Teams don't generally trade good prospects anymore unless they get more control than that these days. Especially this front office. My guess is no one from our Top 10 gets moved and we end up buying low on some starter with control ala Stripling. Maybe a rental like Jon Gray who should come cheap.

[Deadpool]

Those packages are pretty ridiculous for 1.5 years of Joey Gallo.

 

Teams don't generally trade good prospects anymore unless they get more control than that these days. Especially this front office. My guess is no one from our Top 10 gets moved and we end up buying low on some starter with control ala Stripling. Maybe a rental like Jon Gray who should come cheap.

 

I'd be furious if they traded Groshans for Gallo, so he can GTFO with that "the fit wouldn't be obvious" garbage. I am really not interested in making a performative run this year, or moving viable pieces for that. The only way I'm moving any of our top 10 prospects is for a controllable starting pitcher, and a good one at that.

[Daniel Labude]

Those packages are pretty ridiculous for 1.5 years of Joey Gallo.

 

Teams don't generally trade good prospects anymore unless they get more control than that these days. Especially this front office. My guess is no one from our Top 10 gets moved and we end up buying low on some starter with control ala Stripling. Maybe a rental like Jon Gray who should come cheap.

 

Or they trade Biggio

[LGBJ29]

 

So think about Gurriel, Manoah (or Woods Richardson) and Martinez. If that package is on the table, we can flesh things out further.

 

It was this line that did it for me. Are you f***ing high lmao

[Laika]

The Athletic had a round table sort of chat with the writers for the Rangers, Braves and Jays about trading for Gallo. This is the packages the Rangers writer suggested to the Jays.

 

Kaitlyn, as for the Blue Jays, I have three proposals for you:

 

Gallo, Kyle Gibson and Kennedy for Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Simeon Woods Richardson, Orelvis Martinez and Alejandro Kirk.

 

Gibson, Kennedy and Triple-A infielder Charles Leblanc (a Quebec native) for Woods Richardson and either Gurriel or Martinez.

 

Gibson and Leblanc for Woods Richardson and Kirk.

 

The return in his third deal (Kirk and SWR) would actually be fair for the whole crop (Gallo + Gibson + Kennedy) but it's still probably not the type of deal Toronto should be doing at the start of their competitive window.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I am firmly in the "don't trade any of our top position player prospects" camp

 

I think we have several that are going to play and be as good as or better than Bo, and there is room for all of them on the roster too.

 

I am fine trading starting pitching prospects + for starting pitchers who are high end and have control, but their teams have no use for them right now because they are on the way down or just starting to rebuild.

 

Jays are ready to compete now. They could use a Castillo, Berrios or Marquez right now and for the next few years much more than Cincinnati, Minnesota or Colorado could.

[Laika]

I am firmly in the "don't trade any of our top position player prospects" camp

I think we have several that are going to play and be as good as or better than Bo, and there is room for all of them on the roster too.

 

I am fine trading starting pitching prospects + for starting pitchers who are high end and have control, but their teams have no use for them right now because they are on the way down or just starting to rebuild.

 

Jays are ready to compete now. They could use a Castillo, Berrios or Marquez right now and for the next few years much more than Cincinnati, Minnesota or Colorado could.

 

Very unlikely that any will be better than Bo Bichette. Moreno has a realistic chance to be better but it's a pipe dream for all the others.

 

Bo is a super stud. Top 20 asset in baseball right now.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Very unlikely that any will be better than Bo Bichette. Moreno has a realistic chance to be better but it's a pipe dream for all the others.

 

Bo is a super stud. Top 20 asset in baseball right now.

 

Top 20?

 

I'm a big fan, but that seems a stretch to me.

 

He currently doesn't crack the top 30 in WAR or wRC+

 

I'm probably being a touch to optimistic though, but I do believe Kirk/Moreno/Martin/Groshans/Martinez will all play and excel at the MLB level.

[BlueRocky]

So think about Gurriel, Manoah (or Woods Richardson) and Martinez. If that package is on the table, we can flesh things out further.

 

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[Spanky99]

The Athletic had a round table sort of chat with the writers for the Rangers, Braves and Jays about trading for Gallo. This is the packages the Rangers writer suggested to the Jays.

 

Kaitlyn, as for the Blue Jays, I have three proposals for you:

 

Gallo, Kyle Gibson and Kennedy for Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Simeon Woods Richardson, Orelvis Martinez and Alejandro Kirk.

 

Gibson, Kennedy and Triple-A infielder Charles Leblanc (a Quebec native) for Woods Richardson and either Gurriel or Martinez.

 

Gibson and Leblanc for Woods Richardson and Kirk.

 

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Edited July 22, 2021 by Spanky99