General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[Jays24]

Toronto is an expensive city. Between rising costs of food, gas and rent, no one within driving/walking distance can afford Blue Jays tickets anymore. I could with all my penny stock gains but I'm not allowed to attend for ***censored*** reasons.

 

Why can't you attend Jays games?

[RobinThicc]

Anyone feel it's weird that Biggio hasn't been called back up yet in a reserve role at least? I'm not his biggest supporter but he'd a great piece off the bench.

Other than him being left handed, what purpose would he have on this roster right now?

[BlueRocky]

Other than him being left handed, what purpose would he have on this roster right now?

 

Get on base?

[Stangstag]

Anyone feel it's weird that Biggio hasn't been called back up yet in a reserve role at least? I'm not his biggest supporter but he'd a great piece off the bench.

 

Yes I do find it odd he's been playing in AAA for several weeks now... maybe they feel he's "broken" and its something they want to worry about after the season

[jerb]

 

Toronto Blue Jays

@BlueJays

 

ROSTER MOVES:

 

INF Cavan Biggio reinstated from 10-day IL and will be active tonight

 

LHP Ryan Borucki optioned to Triple-A

[Masterbather]

 

Toronto Blue Jays

@BlueJays

 

ROSTER MOVES:

 

INF Cavan Biggio reinstated from 10-day IL and will be active tonight

 

LHP Ryan Borucki optioned to Triple-A

 

How do we use him? Pinch runner is obvious. If it came down to it, would we rather he have a key at bat or Dickerson? Cavan didn't exactly inspire confidence with his minor league rehab stats. Surely he can't see a minute on the field.

[Jays24]

Other than him being left handed, what purpose would he have on this roster right now?

 

He can fill in adequately in the field and pinch run in the worst case. I'd also feel better using his bat over Reese/Dyson.

[Jays24]

How do we use him? Pinch runner is obvious. If it came down to it, would we rather he have a key at bat or Dickerson? Cavan didn't exactly inspire confidence with his minor league rehab stats. Surely he can't see a minute on the field.

 

In situations where Dyson has to bat in late game situations.

[Stangstag]

Gurriel starting at DH tonight. Hope he stays hot.

 

Damn that's unexpected

[Brownie19]

Gurriel starting at DH tonight. Hope he stays hot.

 

Springer in CF?

[glory]

CF Springer

2B Semien

1B Guerrero

SS Bichette

RF Hernandez

DH Gurriel

LF Dickerson

3B Espinal

CA Jansen

[G-Snarls]

Gurriel starting at DH tonight. Hope he stays hot.

 

Damn that's awesome

 

Yes!!!

[Jimcanuck]

No Grich, thank God

[BCZ]

I think you can sum this season up in one picture:

 

Randal Grichuk blowing bubbles right after idiotically crushing Gurriel's hand.

 

[Stangstag]

I think you can sum this season up in one picture:

 

Randal Grichuk blowing bubbles right after idiotically crushing Gurriel's hand.

 

 

Gurriel was dumb for not getting out of the way

[Spanky99]

Wasn't his fault moron. Just GTFO bud...

[Spanky99]

According to the seat map looks like lots of seats still available. Im guessing mid-week short notice didnt give a lot of out of town fans a chance to book

 

Walk up is big, no need to worry.

[Spanky99]

Toronto is an expensive city. Between rising costs of food, gas and rent, no one within driving/walking distance can afford Blue Jays tickets anymore. I could with all my penny stock gains but I'm not allowed to attend for ***censored*** reasons.

 

lol... same. Had seats offered twice this week, cause they weren't. Sad.

[BCZ]

Wasn't his fault moron. Just GTFO bud...

 

You missed the part where I said he's blowing bubbles while his teammate is in pain on the ground. P.S.> I know the name calling is really just a reflection of yourself. And when you say things like that I just feel bad for you because I know you're just trying to deflect your own inadequacies =/

[connorp]

You missed the part where I said he's blowing bubbles while his teammate is in pain on the ground. P.S.> I know the name calling is really just a reflection of yourself. And when you say things like that I just feel bad for you because I know you're just trying to deflect your own inadequacies =/

 

I feel like that was just a more mature way of saying “I know your are but what am I” lol

Maybe there’s still a lot of pent up rage from getting picked on in school all these years?

Anyone can play nickel stand shrink bro

[CBlake]

More tickets have been opened up for the Jays, the last four sections in the 500 level outfield on one side. It appears they did not automatically put up all 30,000 seats at the start.

[intentional wok]

The narrative I keep seeing is that the bullpen is the single biggest reason that has limited the team's success this year.

 

So how many games do you actually think the bullpen has chucked this year? This can be anything from allowing a come-from-behind loss or letting a close game become a blowout. Would this be more than any other team's blown games? Are these offset by some of the miraculous victories the team has achieved this year?

 

The worst stretch I can remember: May 14-30 had eight terrible pen perfomances, and resulted in 1win-7 losses:

 

5/14 vs Phillies (Thorton, Mayza, Beasly allow a two-out 5-run inning, including four walks with a run walked in)

 

5/16 vs Phillies (Mayza, Romano, Beasly allow 4ER, 5H, 2BB over 2IP). Jays salvage a 10-8 win with a white-knuckled Beasly v Harper (probably hurt, couldn't even throw) AB.

 

5/20 vs Red Sox (Dolis 9th inning implosion for 4H, 1BB, 3ER). 7-5 lead in 9th becomes 8-7 loss.

 

5/21 vs TB (6 BP arms allow 3ER over 7IP because of a short Anthony Kay start. Beasly gives up 4ER in the 12th and the Jays lose despite getting two in bottom 12. What more could have been done here, really? Taxi squad guy is last man standing and gets pasted by AL's best team in 12th.)

 

5/22 vs TB (3-1 loss with winning run surrendered by BP. IMO, these losses happen, but with so many poor recent performances, it looks a bit worse.)

 

5/23 vs TB (Chatwood and Bergen combine for 1IP, 4ER, 5BB, 2H.) 4-2 lead in the 9th becomes a 6-4 loss.

 

5/24 vs TB (Extras. Castro, Payamps, Mayza combine for 2IP, 7ER, 3BB, 7H.)

 

5/30 @ CLE (infamous Chatwood walking the tying run around the bases in his second inning of work and no one warming)

 

You could probably find six or seven more of these heartbreakers through June and July too. So my question is if this number of avoidable losses is really more than other (good) teams face. Given the Jays' very positive run differential, it seems to suggest the miracle losses really are the big anchor.

Edited September 29, 2021 by intentional wok

[Stangstag]

The narrative I keep seeing is that the bullpen is the single biggest reason that has limited the team's success this year.

 

So how many games do you actually think the bullpen has chucked this year? This can be anything from allowing a come-from-behind loss or letting a close game become a blowout. Would this be more than any other team's blown games? Are these offset by some of the miraculous victories the team has achieved this year?

 

The worst stretch I can remember: May 14-30 had eight terrible pen perfomances, and resulted in 1win-7 losses:

 

5/14 vs Phillies (Thorton, Mayza, Beasly allow a two-out 5-run inning, including four walks with a run walked in)

 

5/16 vs Phillies (Mayza, Romano, Beasly allow 4ER, 5H, 2BB over 2IP). Jays salvage a 10-8 win with a white-knuckled Beasly v Harper (probably hurt, couldn't even throw) AB.

 

5/20 vs Red Sox (Dolis 9th inning implosion for 4H, 1BB, 3ER). 7-5 lead in 9th becomes 8-7 loss.

 

5/21 vs TB (6 BP arms allow 3ER over 7IP because of a short Anthony Kay start. Beasly gives up 4ER in the 12th and the Jays lose despite getting two in bottom 12. What more could have been done here, really? Taxi squad guy is last man standing and gets pasted by AL's best team in 12th.)

 

5/22 vs TB (3-1 loss with winning run surrendered by BP. IMO, these losses happen, but with so many poor recent performances, it looks a bit worse.)

 

5/23 vs TB (Chatwood and Bergen combine for 1IP, 4ER, 5BB, 2H.) 4-2 lead in the 9th becomes a 6-4 loss.

 

5/24 vs TB (Extras. Castro, Payamps, Mayza combine for 2IP, 7ER, 3BB, 7H.)

5/30 @ CLE (infamous Chatwood walking the tying run around the bases in his second inning of work and no one warming)

 

This was honestly the worst stretch of losses I think i've ever witnessed from the Jays. That week was so demoralizing.

 

As for your question, if you just compare something quick like Bullpen WAR here are the numbers:

 

Yankees: 7.2 WAR

Tampa: 7 WAR

Seattle: 7 WAR

Boston: 4.7 WAR

Oakland: 1.5 WAR

Toronto: 1.4 WAR (25th in all of baseball)

 

And that made the difference. Bullpen definitely sunk the season early on.

[intentional wok]

This was honestly the worst stretch of losses I think i've ever witnessed from the Jays. That week was so demoralizing.

 

As for your question, if you just compare something quick like Bullpen WAR here are the numbers:

 

Yankees: 7.2 WAR

Tampa: 7 WAR

Seattle: 7 WAR

Boston: 4.7 WAR

Oakland: 1.5 WAR

Toronto: 1.4 WAR (25th in all of baseball)

 

And that made the difference. Bullpen definitely sunk the season early on.

 

Glad I haven't eaten yet after reading those numbers.

 

Worst week ever and I still somehow remember the Cleveland loss being the most traumatic. Maybe because it honest to god felt like that game was being thrown rather than simply blown.

[glory]

Tonight's lineup is out. Anyone wanna guess who is catching? It's the catcher you would expect Buntoyo to start in a game where a loss could mean the end of the season.

[wilko]

Tonight's lineup is out. Anyone wanna guess who is catching? It's the catcher you would expect Buntoyo to start in a game where a loss could mean the end of the season.

 

[Jays24]

Tonight's lineup is out. Anyone wanna guess who is catching? It's the catcher you would expect Buntoyo to start in a game where a loss could mean the end of the season.

 

Just f***ing stupid. If Montoyo is back next year then I'm going anti Shatkins for the following season.

[Stangstag]

Tonight's lineup is out. Anyone wanna guess who is catching? It's the catcher you would expect Buntoyo to start in a game where a loss could mean the end of the season.

 

There’s no way the front office would tell him to start Reese over one of the other guys right??

 

Sometimes you can tell the lineup was constructed by the FO, but you can tell which ones Charlie does... I think

[bones10]

So f***ing stupid

[John_Havok]

There’s no way the front office would tell him to start Reese over one of the other guys right??

 

Sometimes you can tell the lineup was constructed by the FO, but you can tell which ones Charlie does... I think

 

Just so weird. Unless certain pitchers have told Montoyo they are more comfortable throwing to Reese, this is troubling.