Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Ray]

Most here know this I'm sure, but a reminder:

 

Robbie Ray from 2017-2019

 

33-15 W/L

3.72 ERA

618 K's in 460 IP

12.1 K/9

4.4 BB/9

1.4 HR/9

 

Then whatever the f*** he tried to do to his delivery in 2020.

 

Hopefully they get him back to what he was before, then we can flush 2020 down the toilet and voila the Jays have a legit #2.

 

Guy is only 28, I'm sure they can get him back to form.

 

I know it's hard to picture though, because he was so s***** last year. But supposedly there is a legit, identifiable and fixable reason for the shittyness.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

Also, Pearson has the stuff to be an ace. We all know that.

 

The Jays top 3 SP's have a chance to be amazing. If that happens all they need is a couple more guys to just be average (Matz, Roark, Stripling, etc)

 

Same with Stripling. 3.51 career ERA prior to 2020. He could very easily bounce back.

 

Realistically, we need some good pitching stories to emerge next seasons anyways if we want to make a good run. All it takes is one of Pearson/Kay/Thornton/Hatch/Merryweather to break out for this rotation to look markedly better, albeit I’m still hoping we get one of Walker/Odorizzi just to bolster it. But I’m less worried than most about the rotation just because I think there’s a good combination of depth and bounce back potential for the rotation to be at least average, which paired with our expected offense and good bullpen should be good enough to make the playoffs.

[Brownie19]

Most here know this I'm sure, but a reminder:

 

Robbie Ray from 2017-2019

 

33-15 W/L

3.72 ERA

618 K's in 460 IP

12.1 K/9

4.4 BB/9

1.4 HR/9

 

Then whatever the f*** he tried to do to his delivery in 2020.

 

Hopefully they get him back to what he was before, then we can flush 2020 down the toilet and voila the Jays have a legit #2.

 

Guy is only 28, I'm sure they can get him back to form.

 

I know it's hard to picture though, because he was so s***** last year. But supposedly there is a legit, identifiable and fixable reason for the shittyness.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

Also, Pearson has the stuff to be an ace. We all know that.

 

The Jays top 3 SP's have a chance to be amazing. If that happens all they need is a couple more guys to just be average (Matz, Roark, Stripling, etc)

 

Ray tried to improve his control - which was pretty awful in 2018 and 2019. He tried to shorten his arm path ala Bieber and Giolitto. If he was successful, it probably would have made him one of baseball's elite pitchers.

 

It didn't work and he scrapped it mid season.

[Jays24]

Most here know this I'm sure, but a reminder:

 

Robbie Ray from 2017-2019

 

33-15 W/L

3.72 ERA

618 K's in 460 IP

12.1 K/9

4.4 BB/9

1.4 HR/9

 

Then whatever the f*** he tried to do to his delivery in 2020.

 

Hopefully they get him back to what he was before, then we can flush 2020 down the toilet and voila the Jays have a legit #2.

 

Guy is only 28, I'm sure they can get him back to form.

 

I know it's hard to picture though, because he was so s***** last year. But supposedly there is a legit, identifiable and fixable reason for the shittyness.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

Also, Pearson has the stuff to be an ace. We all know that.

 

The Jays top 3 SP's have a chance to be amazing. If that happens all they need is a couple more guys to just be average (Matz, Roark, Stripling, etc)

 

I understand what you're saying but you're hoping for the best scenario for all those guys. Reality usually doesn't work out that way because all teams can practically say the same for their guys too.

 

I think you have a good argument for Ray but Pearson is still a huge unproven commodity at the MLB level for 2021. Especially if you're banking on him being in the top 3 of a playoff contender.

 

We def need one more high end starter to slot our pitchers into a more realistic role.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I understand what you're saying but you're hoping for the best scenario for all those guys. Reality usually doesn't work out that way because all teams can practically say the same for their guys too.

 

I think you have a good argument for Ray but Pearson is still a huge unproven commodity at the MLB level for 2021. Especially if you're banking on him being in the top 3 of a playoff contender.

 

We def need one more high end starter to slot our pitchers into a more realistic role.

 

 

 

If they can find another legit high end starter (at the right price) then I'm all for it.

 

Going to have to be via trade now though in my opinion, because any of the free agents that are left will just get tossed onto the pile of hopefuls the Jays already have.

[Ray]

I understand what you're saying but you're hoping for the best scenario for all those guys. Reality usually doesn't work out that way because all teams can practically say the same for their guys too.

 

I think you have a good argument for Ray but Pearson is still a huge unproven commodity at the MLB level for 2021. Especially if you're banking on him being in the top 3 of a playoff contender.

 

We def need one more high end starter to slot our pitchers into a more realistic role.

 

Not really. Hoping they bounce back to career norms =/= best case scenario.

 

I doubt all of Ray, Stripling, Matz, Roark are going to be as bad as they were in 2020. These aren't the Jaime Garcia's, Clay Bucholz, and Clayton Richards of the world. All of those guys with the exception of Roark have had a very recent track record of being at least productive starters, and Matz/Ray actually throw hard with above average secondaries.

[Jays24]

Not really. Hoping they bounce back to career norms =/= best case scenario.

 

I doubt all of Ray, Stripling, Matz, Roark are going to be as bad as they were in 2020. These aren't the Jaime Garcia's, Clay Bucholz, and Clayton Richards of the world. All of those guys with the exception of Roark have had a very recent track record of being at least productive starters, and Matz/Ray actually throw hard with above average secondaries.

 

I meant you can speak to every fanbase and they most will be optimistic that they are getting the best version of all their players in the offseason. Then the season starts and reality hits.

 

Of course there's a chance but there's also a similar likelihood that the last version we saw of them can continue too. I'd prefer to hedge down the middle in those cases, which would still leave our rotation really weak in comparison to the elites of the league. And if we're trying to make the playoffs, those are the standards we need to adhere to.

[King]

How does Jeffress only get a minor league deal. Wild times we live in.

Probably because he's not very good and most major league bullpens are stacked to the brim with K/BB monkeys these days

 

No real reason to give a guy like him a major league deal. I am sure he got a lucrative contract by minor league contract standards

Edited February 22, 2021 by King

[jerb]

 

Arden Zwelling

@ArdenZwelling

 

Blue Jays lose right-hander Joel Payamps on outright waivers to the Boston Red Sox. Two weeks ago, the Blue Jays claimed Payamps off waivers from... the Red Sox.

 

Creates an opening on Toronto's 40-man roster.

[max silver]

 

Arden Zwelling

@ArdenZwelling

 

Blue Jays lose right-hander Joel Payamps on outright waivers to the Boston Red Sox. Two weeks ago, the Blue Jays claimed Payamps off waivers from... the Red Sox.

 

Creates an opening on Toronto's 40-man roster.

 

Hopefully Jake Odorizzi signing incoming...

[wilko]

 

Arden Zwelling

@ArdenZwelling

 

Blue Jays lose right-hander Joel Payamps on outright waivers to the Boston Red Sox. Two weeks ago, the Blue Jays claimed Payamps off waivers from... the Red Sox.

 

Creates an opening on Toronto's 40-man roster.

 

That didn't last long.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Probably end up putting Liriano or Mayza on the 40 man. They need another lefty reliever on the 40 man, unless they aren't going to stretch Kay out?

 

Speaking of lefty relievers, is Kirby Snead any good?

[G-Snarls]

That didn't last long.

 

The Payamps era is over

 

It is funny that he's right back with Boston

[Ray]

Hopefully Jake Odorizzi signing incoming...

 

I actually think there might be a decent shot for this? Doesn't seem like many teams are lining up to give him the multi year offer he wants. Best bet would be to take 1 year $10M or something and try again next offseason. In which case:

 

- He lives in Tampa, and we'll be playing most of the season in Dunedin. Gets to stay close to home

- Gets to train at the renovated Dunedin complex with all the nice bells and whistles

- Play for a competitive team that could have a shot at the playoffs

 

I think the staying close to home may be the biggest appeal to him. Either that, or I could see the Red Sox signing him

[RobinThicc]

I actually think there might be a decent shot for this? Doesn't seem like many teams are lining up to give him the multi year offer he wants. Best bet would be to take 1 year $10M or something and try again next offseason. In which case:

 

- He lives in Tampa, and we'll be playing most of the season in Dunedin. Gets to stay close to home

- Gets to train at the renovated Dunedin complex with all the nice bells and whistles

- Play for a competitive team that could have a shot at the playoffs

 

I think the staying close to home may be the biggest appeal to him.

 

Doesnt sound like they'll be playing most of the season at Dunedin. Seems like they'll be transitioning to Buffalo or Toronto (most likely Buffalo) in May or June.

[Brownie19]

I can't imagine JO will sign for less than Walker. I could see us offering like a 1 year $17.5M deal or something to entice him to settle on a 1 year deal.

 

Otherwise, I'm fine with giving him a 2 year $25M with some incentives (and hopefully a club option for year 3).

[Ryu In My House]

I can't imagine JO will sign for less than Walker. I could see us offering like a 1 year $17.5M deal or something to entice him to settle on a 1 year deal.

 

Otherwise, I'm fine with giving him a 2 year $25M with some incentives (and hopefully a club option for year 3).

 

If we get him this offseason is a complete success.

[Jays24]

I doubt Odorizzi makes less than Walker. He probably gets the 3 year deal he's looking for or at a minimum a big 2 year deal.

 

I have 0 faith at this stage we are going to another big signing. As much as I'd like him, it was a still a great offseason.

[Grant77]

The Payamps era is over

 

It is funny that he's right back with Boston

 

Still a good move for us. We basically forced them to use a roster spot.

[43211234]

I can't imagine JO will sign for less than Walker. I could see us offering like a 1 year $17.5M deal or something to entice him to settle on a 1 year deal.

 

Otherwise, I'm fine with giving him a 2 year $25M with some incentives (and hopefully a club option for year 3).

 

Guys like Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling are saying the Blue Jays don't have much payroll room left.

 

It doesn't sound like there's a chance to get Odorizzi.

[Spanky99]

Guys like Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling are saying the Blue Jays don't have much payroll room left.

 

It doesn't sound like there's a chance to get Odorizzi.

 

Yeah, from the quotes recently from Ross Atkins, sounds like their done for now. They'll get a rental far better at the deadline.

[connorp]

Yeah, from the quotes recently from Ross Atkins, sounds like their done for now. They'll get a rental far better at the deadline.

 

Far better at the deadline. Easy peasy. They’ll prob give him to us

[Spanky99]

Far better at the deadline. Easy peasy. They’ll prob give him to us

 

lol... get f***ed, minion.

[Man of Steal]

I agree that there will be more options, and better options, to upgrade starting pitching at the trade deadline, and since they should be in the hunt for a playoff spot all season long, I think that's a reasonable approach to take.

 

It's always a balance between signing a lesser option now that might help you be more competitive early in the season and perhaps get you closer to a playoff spot at the trade deadline, vs trusting the group that's there now, and rewarding them with an upgrade closer to the playoffs. Of course anything can happen, but I think it will be between the Blue Jays and Tampa Bay for the wild card spot, and honestly, I like the Blue Jays.

 

So I think if the team is done for now that's just fine. Allows them to add later and load up for a run. I like the group they have enough to think they will be in the mix all season.

 

Great off-season. Now LFG!

[connorp]

Jake Odorizzi (or less) will be the type of guy available at the deadline. Anyone “far better” as Spank-off suggests will be someone every team wants to get their hands on, which would make it unlikely such a deal is made by the Jays. Not something you’d want to bank on.

 

That said, doesn’t make it a reason to overpay now.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Hopefully the Jays are in contention and swing a deal for a guy like Luis Castillo or German Marquez mid season.

[Spanky99]

Jake Odorizzi (or less) will be the type of guy available at the deadline. Anyone “far better” as Spank-off suggests will be someone every team wants to get their hands on, which would make it unlikely such a deal is made by the Jays. Not something you’d want to bank on.

 

That said, doesn’t make it a reason to overpay now.

 

Far better options at the deadline, meat.

[Jays24]

Far better options at the deadline, meat.

 

But that will probably cost you a lot more from your prospect capital when you only need to use money for Odorizzi.

[Spanky99]

But that will probably cost you a lot more from your prospect capital when you only need to use money for Odorizzi.

 

Right, does that seem like it's happening?

[The Cats Ass]

I think the Jays should pass on Odorizzi. He’s only a minimal upgrade, and wouldn’t be a difference maker in the playoffs. They should roll with what they got, see who steps up, and if an actual good arm becomes available at the deadline trade for him if we need help.

 

There’s a wide range of outcomes for the guys we have in house. If Pearson pitches like he’s supposed to be able to, Ray returns to 2019 Ray; that fills out our top 3. SWR is another guy I feel we’ll see this year, and might not miss a beat when called up; reports say he’s pretty much a finished project.

[Jays24]

I think the Jays should pass on Odorizzi. He’s only a minimal upgrade, and wouldn’t be a difference maker in the playoffs. They should roll with what they got, see who steps up, and if an actual good arm becomes available at the deadline trade for him if we need help.

 

There’s a wide range of outcomes for the guys we have in house. If Pearson pitches like he’s supposed to be able to, Ray returns to 2019 Ray; that fills out our top 3. SWR is another guy I feel we’ll see this year, and might not miss a beat when called up; reports say he’s pretty much a finished project.

 

A lot of "ifs" with our starting rotation. Odorizzi would be the 2nd/3rd best pitcher on the staff so he'd definitely make a difference in a playoff setting, assuming we get there.