Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[G-Snarls]

Springer

Kim

Shoemaker/Walker/Wood

Archie Bradley

 

This is the type of offseason I'm expecting from the Jays. Things change if they don't get Kim, but I think he is a valuable piece that creates a bunch of depth and won't cost a fortune.

 

Replace Springer with Lindor and I agree. I think the Mets outbid the Jays for Springer and I think the Angels reach and get Bauer.

 

 

It just seems like Shapiro amd Atkins won't stop until they get a deal made for Lindor.

[Jimcanuck]

Replace Springer with Lindor and I agree. I think the Mets outbid the Jays for Springer and I think the Angels reach and get Bauer.

 

 

It just seems like Shapiro amd Atkins won't stop until they get a deal made for Lindor.

 

Yes, Lindor and Kim seems more likely, just going by media reports.

[Laika]

Yes, Lindor and Kim seems more likely, just going by media reports.

 

But why would you just go by media reports?

[glory]

I highly doubt they sign Springer and extend Lindor. It'll be one or the other, not both.

 

I'd prefer Springer at 5/125 than Lindor at 8/240

 

Between the two, I would agree Springer is the one to go for. Lindor is a MLBPA rep now. I'm not sure he "settles" for 8 years when he has the leverage of going to free agency next year instead. He knows if the Jays trade for him then they have to extend him. He doesn't have to do anything. Teams should have more money to spend next winter as well if revenue recovers in 2021 (it won't recover all the way but certainly more than 2020).

[Jimcanuck]

But why would you just go by media reports?

 

What else is there?

[Laika]

What else is there?

 

Common sense and reason.

 

Toronto brass are outspoken about not shooting down any rumours, so these things take on a life of their own. The organization has Bo Bichette. They have multiple very good infielders in the pipeline in Groshans, Martinez, and Hidalgo. No CF on the MLB team and not much in terms of great OF prospects. Springer will cost no prospects and less than half the money of Lindor.

 

Laika's brain cells say Springer is way more likely than Lindor.

 

Kim is a separate type of asset and is one of the likeliest free agents to land in Toronto, I think. Nice 3B fit for 2021 and then who cares after that, maybe one of him or Biggio go to the OF.

[L54]

Replace Springer with Lindor and I agree. I think the Mets outbid the Jays for Springer and I think the Angels reach and get Bauer.

 

 

It just seems like Shapiro amd Atkins won't stop until they get a deal made for Lindor.

 

Could be him too, I was just trying to rank them by tiers of FA they'll bring in. I don't expect them to hand out two long term deals. Archie Bradley could be any RP too.

[L54]

Not going to lie, I hate the idea of giving up good prospects for the privilege of paying Lindor $30M a year for the next decade when you could just do it next year if you really wanted to. Maybe he is extended wherever he is traded to - there are still four other top ten shortstops available to sign. I have no problem giving Bichette another year to develop and see if he can stay at the 6, because I guarantee playing that position means something to him.

 

The most obvious position other than SP to address is CF. Springer can play there for a couple of years and then sort it out after that.

[saskjayfan]

Replace Springer with Lindor and I agree. I think the Mets outbid the Jays for Springer and I think the Angels reach and get Bauer.

 

 

It just seems like Shapiro amd Atkins won't stop until they get a deal made for Lindor.

 

The Angels signing of Bauer would push into the luxury tax and they would still have a shoddy rotation and crap bullpen despite the nice pick up of Iglesias. I think the Angels would be better served signing Walker, Paxton and Bauer which would cost them the same amount as Bauer.

[z3r0s]

I've still got a soft spot for Pax. I hope we get him on a short deal to rebuild his value. Hell, get him AND Bauer. Staff made up almost entirely of guys who have at one point been top-flight pitchers

 

Bauer

Ryu

Pax

Ray

Pearson

[BTS]

I've still got a soft spot for Pax. I hope we get him on a short deal to rebuild his value. Hell, get him AND Bauer. Staff made up almost entirely of guys who have at one point been top-flight pitchers

 

Bauer

Ryu

Pax

Ray

Pearson

 

I know it's not an optimal way to build a team, for multiple reasons, but there's something that's so damn fun when the stars align and a team keeps a dominant rotation healthy for a full season.

[Brownie19]

The Angels signing of Bauer would push into the luxury tax and they would still have a shoddy rotation and crap bullpen despite the nice pick up of Iglesias. I think the Angels would be better served signing Walker, Paxton and Bauer which would cost them the same amount as Bauer.

 

[saskjayfan]

 

I'm just saying Bauer is going to cost 35 mil. Those 3 combined would cost 35 mil. I can't see them making the playoffs with just Bauer. The risk in those other 3 could result in a similar playoff miss, but the upside could put them in the playoffs and you have one year contract and can regroup next year when the starting free agency market is really strong and you are one year closer to losing a bunch of dead weight money. The Angels have a lot of warts. They gave up the 3rd most runs last year, and were 8th worst in the league in 2019.

[Jimcanuck]

Common sense and reason.

 

Toronto brass are outspoken about not shooting down any rumours, so these things take on a life of their own. The organization has Bo Bichette. They have multiple very good infielders in the pipeline in Groshans, Martinez, and Hidalgo. No CF on the MLB team and not much in terms of great OF prospects. Springer will cost no prospects and less than half the money of Lindor.

 

Laika's brain cells say Springer is way more likely than Lindor.

 

Kim is a separate type of asset and is one of the likeliest free agents to land in Toronto, I think. Nice 3B fit for 2021 and then who cares after that, maybe one of him or Biggio go to the OF.

 

Sure I guess. There's the Cleveland connection for Shatkins and prospects work themselves out.

 

Your guess is as good as mine.

[BTS]

I'm just saying Bauer is going to cost 35 mil. Those 3 combined would cost 35 mil. I can't see them making the playoffs with just Bauer. The risk in those other 3 could result in a similar playoff miss, but the upside could put them in the playoffs and you have one year contract and can regroup next year when the starting free agency market is really strong and you are one year closer to losing a bunch of dead weight money. The Angels have a lot of warts. They gave up the 3rd most runs last year, and were 8th worst in the league in 2019.

 

[Spanky99]

I'm just saying Bauer is going to cost 35 mil. Those 3 combined would cost 35 mil. I can't see them making the playoffs with just Bauer. The risk in those other 3 could result in a similar playoff miss, but the upside could put them in the playoffs and you have one year contract and can regroup next year when the starting free agency market is really strong and you are one year closer to losing a bunch of dead weight money. The Angels have a lot of warts. They gave up the 3rd most runs last year, and were 8th worst in the league in 2019.

 

[Jays24]

 

Sign me up for "Buy Bauer and get 2 pitchers free deal" lol

[connorp]

Sign me up for "Buy Bauer and get 2 pitchers free deal" lol

 

Word is it’s only an Xmas sale though. So there’s only few days left to get it done

[Orgfiller]

I'm just saying Bauer is going to cost 35 mil. Those 3 combined would cost 35 mil. I can't see them making the playoffs with just Bauer. The risk in those other 3 could result in a similar playoff miss, but the upside could put them in the playoffs and you have one year contract and can regroup next year when the starting free agency market is really strong and you are one year closer to losing a bunch of dead weight money. The Angels have a lot of warts. They gave up the 3rd most runs last year, and were 8th worst in the league in 2019.

 

Is there a Tyler Bauer I'm not aware of or something? Who is this third guy you're talking about lol. Tanaka?

[Laika]

Your guess is as good as mine.

 

Yours is worse

[saskjayfan]

Sign me up for "Buy Bauer and get 2 pitchers free deal" lol

 

What are you nerds talking about. Bauer on an AAV is 30 to 35 depending on length of term. MLB traderumors predicted kluber at 1 and 12, Paxton at one and 10 and Walker at an 8 mil AAV .

 

OK...I've been drinking....I meant to say Kluber not Bauer again......You can all f*** off. I realize I'm a dummy.

[BTS]

What are you nerds talking about. Bauer on an AAV is 30 to 35 depending on length of term. MLB traderumors predicted bauer at 1 and 12, Paxton at one and 10 and Walker at an 8 mil AAV .

 

[saskjayfan]

 

I said i was drinking...f*** off...yes I made the same mistake twice. Drinking, kids and posting is a delicate balance.

[Spanky99]

What are you nerds talking about. Bauer on an AAV is 30 to 35 depending on length of term. MLB traderumors predicted kluber at 1 and 12, Paxton at one and 10 and Walker at an 8 mil AAV .

 

OK...I've been drinking....I meant to say Kluber not Bauer again......You can all f*** off. I realize I'm a dummy.

 

3 damn times, lol.

[Spanky99]

I said i was drinking...f*** off...yes I made the same mistake twice. Drinking, kids and posting is a delicate balance.

 

[Jimcanuck]

Suspect we won't see much action until after there is more info / certainty about this variant.

[THANOS]

Common sense and reason.

 

Toronto brass are outspoken about not shooting down any rumours, so these things take on a life of their own. The organization has Bo Bichette. They have multiple very good infielders in the pipeline in Groshans, Martinez, and Hidalgo. No CF on the MLB team and not much in terms of great OF prospects. Springer will cost no prospects and less than half the money of Lindor.

 

Laika's brain cells say Springer is way more likely than Lindor.

 

Kim is a separate type of asset and is one of the likeliest free agents to land in Toronto, I think. Nice 3B fit for 2021 and then who cares after that, maybe one of him or Biggio go to the OF.

 

I agree with you. I'll just add that Martin is likely the CF of the future, and could be ready as soon as 2022. Then we can slide Springer over to a corner whenever Martin hits his way on to the team.

 

This would be my ideal offseason:

 

- Springer

- Kim

- Trade LGJ for Darvish

[Spanky99]

I agree with you. I'll just add that Martin is likely the CF of the future, and could be ready as soon as 2022. Then we can slide Springer over to a corner whenever Martin hits his way on to the team.

 

This would be my ideal offseason:

 

- Springer

- Kim

- Trade LGJ for Darvish

 

You have to stick a plus or 2 behind LGJ.

[THANOS]

You have to stick a plus or 2 behind LGJ.

 

Darvish is an odd one, he was the 2nd best pitcher in baseball according to fWAR in the shortened 2020 and was good after his adjustment in 2019 as well. That said, he is pretty old and has 3 expensive years left on his deal. He could fall off a cliff any year now given his age but maybe he's like Scherzer or Verlander?

 

I think I would add to LGJ, personally, but I guess the question would be, is 3 years of Darvish, at his age, and price, worth more than 1 year of Lindor?

 

If the answer is yes, then I'd probably offer below:

 

LGJ, Hiraldo, Kay & Adams

 

Hopefully that gets it done. I would hope, because of the factors I listed and the Cubs wanting to shed payroll, we could get it done without giving up any of our Top 8 prospects (Hiraldo is 9 btw), as I wouldn't part with any of below:

 

Pearson, Martin, Groshans, SWR, Kirk, Manoah, Martinez, Moreno

[Spanky99]

Darvish is an odd one, he was the 2nd best pitcher in baseball according to fWAR in the shortened 2020 and was good after his adjustment in 2019 as well. That said, he is pretty old and has 3 expensive years left on his deal. He could fall off a cliff any year now given his age but maybe he's like Scherzer or Verlander?

 

I think I would add to LGJ, personally, but I guess the question would be, is 3 years of Darvish, at his age, and price, worth more than 1 year of Lindor?

 

If the answer is yes, then I'd probably offer below:

 

LGJ, Hiraldo, Kay & Adams

 

Hopefully that gets it done. I would hope, because of the factors I listed and the Cubs wanting to shed payroll, we could get it done without giving up any of our Top 8 prospects (Hiraldo is 9 btw), as I wouldn't part with any of below:

 

Pearson, Martin, Groshans, SWR, Kirk, Manoah, Martinez, Moreno

 

Yes, that trade seems far more accurate. They'd be asking for one of those guys no doubt.