Vlad Jr. to Indy Ball

[Spanky__99]

8 hours ago, Stangstag said:

I said this the moment the contract was signed and was called a fool. 

Vlad just isn’t on the same level as guys like Judge/Soto/Ohtani and he never deserved to get paid over 300m

Called a fool, get out everyone knew that was outlandish, same goes for Soto, Bo and No Chin. Anyone calling you a fool is projecting their acumen. 

[Spanky__99]

9 hours ago, HomeRunHomer said:

You gave Vlad too much credit. He's going to have to go on late season tear just to reach a 110 wRC+.

Damn, so depressing man.

[Spanky__99]

I remember when a lot of people were mad at 135 wRC+ Vlad, I'd give my left nut for that the rest of the season, hah!

Start helping this team already, Vladito.

[Olerud363.354]

3 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

I remember when a lot of people were mad at 135 wRC+ Vlad, I'd give my left nut for that the rest of the season, hah!

Start helping this team already, Vladito.

I mentioned a couple of months ago that if Vlad could be Yandy Diaz I'd take it.  I think anyone would now.  

I think you just need to, at age 27, start over, and put him with Edwin, Jose Bautista, Yandy Diaz, as a talented late bloomer, late 20s guy who hasn't figured it out, a project, a guy with a flawed swing that needs to be fixed.  All three did and had very good runs in their 30-35 years. 

Weird, weird situation, but still salvageable.  Just have to completely start over somehow. 

[Olerud363.354]

Just now, Olerud363.354 said:

Weird, weird situation, but still salvageable.  Just have to completely start over somehow. 

A a 27 year old man that is what Vlad is.  Jose Bautista with a weird swing,  Yandy Diaz with a sub .400 slugging, Edwin.   A 27 year old man in a weird place.    Vlad and these guys were different at 19, different at 22, different at 25, but have to accept now they are the same at 27.   A failure and wasted potential, but still time to turn it around with major changes. 

Question is  I guess

a) is he injured in a non-fixable way like Mattingly and Prince Fielder ? 

b) If no to a) and a major overhaul is needed, can it be done?  Jose Bautista and Yandy Diaz didn't have 500 million in the bank so were hungry, on the other hand 500 million in the bank might be such an embarrassment that Vlad will be hungry. 

 

[Olerud363.354]

John Olerud was my favourite player as a kid.  Never had 50 homer power, or even 30, but lost his 22 homer power in 1995 hitting only 8.    Still got 2.2 WAR and 2.5 WAR in 95 and 96 as a part time player, so-called failure, benched for Jacob Brumfield after winning a batting title. 

I'll never forgive this franchise for how they treated Olerud, and seeing how Vlad gets treated just bring back the bitterness.  

If John Olerud had been given the playing time and long term contract of Vlad he would have retired a career Blue Jay and as not just a hall of famer but a first ballot hall of famer.  

Like if they just did with Olerud, what they did with Vlad.  Fully playing time from the beginning, full playing time through thick and thin. 

 

[Olerud363.354]

3 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

If John Olerud had been given the playing time and long term contract of Vlad

Argument against this is if you just give him 100 at bats more a year in the platoon years, it bumps his career counting numbers a bit but doesn't get to hall of fame counting stats.  However there would be some second order effects from giving Olerud the Vlad 155 games a year age 20-40 opportunity.   More confidence, more exposure to lefties early in career, so might hit them better later.   Opportunity to work through down seasons in his 30s (as Springer was given).  

[BTS]

wRC+ of all players who have ever played on a 500M+ contact:

Shohei Ohtani - 169

Juan Soto - 157

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. - 95 

 

[Spanky__99]

5 minutes ago, BTS said:

wRC+ of all players who have ever played on a 500M+ contact:

Shohei Ohtani - 169

Juan Soto - 157

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. - 95 

 

Thanks, tips, lol.

[Terminator]

34 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

John Olerud was my favourite player as a kid.  Never had 50 homer power, or even 30, but lost his 22 homer power in 1995 hitting only 8.    Still got 2.2 WAR and 2.5 WAR in 95 and 96 as a part time player, so-called failure, benched for Jacob Brumfield after winning a batting title. 

I'll never forgive this franchise for how they treated Olerud, and seeing how Vlad gets treated just bring back the bitterness.  

If John Olerud had been given the playing time and long term contract of Vlad he would have retired a career Blue Jay and as not just a hall of famer but a first ballot hall of famer.  

Like if they just did with Olerud, what they did with Vlad.  Fully playing time from the beginning, full playing time through thick and thin. 

 

Olerud was the man. They should have let him pitch as well.

But I agree, lock that guy up long term and he becomes a Hall of Famer.

[glory]

1 hour ago, BTS said:

wRC+ of all players who have ever played on a 500M+ contact:

Shohei Ohtani - 169

Juan Soto - 157

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. - 95 

 

Free agent 1B after the 2025 season with their current numbers:

Pete Alonso: 142 wRC+
Munetaka Murkami: 141 wRC+
Josh Naylor: 104 wRC+
Ryan O'Hearn: 115 wRC+
Josh Bell: 107 wRC+
Paul Goldschmidt: 112 wRC+

When the Jays could have signed Josh Bell to replace 2026 Vlad and seen a marginal difference at best, that's sorta not good. 

[BTS]

20 minutes ago, glory said:

Free agent 1B after the 2025 season with their current numbers:

Pete Alonso: 142 wRC+
Munetaka Murkami: 141 wRC+
Josh Naylor: 104 wRC+
Ryan O'Hearn: 115 wRC+
Josh Bell: 107 wRC+
Paul Goldschmidt: 112 wRC+

When the Jays could have signed Josh Bell to replace 2026 Vlad and seen a marginal difference at best, that's sorta not good. 

Oh god this is brutal. 

The team will probably miss the playoffs by like 1-2 games with Vlad putting up a 1-WAR season and being paid to put up like 5-6. It's insane that this is happening in year 1 of his deal. 

[Laika]

And then in his season closing interview he will tell fans to "be patient" 

 

And Ross will just say "we are disappointed in ourselves that we weren't able to find the correct feedback loop to get him on track. we take full responsibility." 

[Forever92]

I wouldn't have gave Vlad the big contract. Traded him for big haul instead. Those big contracts are a risk. 

I think Tampa has right idea there. Good young player get 4-5 years out of him trade him for 3 good young players. Might lose some trades but averaged out you will do much better.