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[Jimcanuck]

A historian could prob name 50 quickly

 

I was responding to your comment about character as a criterion being dumb. The marketing arm of MLB would disagree.

[connorp]

I was responding to your comment about character as a criterion being dumb. The marketing arm of MLB would disagree.

 

I believe it should be a factor. Just that it shouldn’t keep a first-ish ballot HOF out.

[Jimcanuck]

I believe it should be a factor. Just that it shouldn’t keep a first-ish ballot HOF out.

 

You should be proud of your flexibility to change your position so quickly.

[connorp]

You should be proud of your flexibility to change your position so quickly.

 

No. I just apparently misstated my opinion earlier. I mentioned that Omar prob needed to score high on character as his on-field resume was meh....so clearly I acknowledge it as a factor

I didn’t mean to stay it shouldn’t be a factor on some level. Just don’t think it should be so huge as to nullify a clearly deserving resume.

[Deadpool]

From all objective reports, Schilling doesn’t hold a candle to Ty Cobb in that regard. I’m sure that’s not the only mega douchebag in the Hall either. That’s just crazy that being an ******* keeps you out of the HOF. It completely ignores precedent for no other good reason than current PC culture.

At least cheating I can understand to a certain degree, even if I don’t agree

 

Since there's no objewctive standard for what qualifies for the HOF, "current culture" is always going to be the criteria. There are a lot of guys in the hall that we look at now and think "man, that guy was not good..." but by the measures of the time, he was. There are also players we look at and say "how are they NOT in based on the numbers?", but at the time they weren't considered great.

[Brownie19]

I was responding to your comment about character as a criterion being dumb. The marketing arm of MLB would disagree.

 

MLB has a marketing arm?

[Grant77]

A historian could prob name 50 quickly

 

Pretty much everyone was racist back in the day, but Tom Yawkey, Cap Anson, and Ty Cobb stand out as some of the worst.

[Brownie19]

I was just looking at some HOF stuff and stumbled across a s***** article on 25 people who shouldn't be in the HOF. 2 things:

 

1. I never knew they used to host 2 All Star games back in the 50's and 60's, so when you look at the # of all star games someone played in, they might be getting credit for playing twice in one year.

2. Bill Mazeroski was f***ing terrible. WTF is wrong with the 2001 veteran's committee?

[Orgfiller]

I was just looking at some HOF stuff and stumbled across a s***** article on 25 people who shouldn't be in the HOF. 2 things:

 

1. I never knew they used to host 2 All Star games back in the 50's and 60's, so when you look at the # of all star games someone played in, they might be getting credit for playing twice in one year.

2. Bill Mazeroski was f***ing terrible. WTF is wrong with the 2001 veteran's committee?

 

In Mazeroski's case, he was basically the Ozzie Smith of second base. Ozzie was obviously significantly better at everything, but I have to imagine that's the reasoning for his induction.

[Grant77]

In Mazeroski's case, he was basically the Ozzie Smith of second base. Ozzie was obviously significantly better at everything, but I have to imagine that's the reasoning for his induction.

 

Along with Joe Carter, he also has the biggest hit in MLB history. That had to be a factor for the voters.

[connorp]

Along with Joe Carter, he also has the biggest hit in MLB history. That had to be a factor for the voters.

 

You’re prob right but those kind of things are best commemorated with a large display of the event at the HOF

[Brownie19]

In Mazeroski's case, he was basically the Ozzie Smith of second base. Ozzie was obviously significantly better at everything, but I have to imagine that's the reasoning for his induction.

 

Career 82 wRC+ hitter, 30.9 WAR. I don't care how good he was defensively. Imagine being Bobby Grich. 129 wRC+ hitter, 69.2 WAR and excellent defensively. What a crock of s***.

[connorp]

Career 82 wRC+ hitter, 30.9 WAR. I don't care how good he was defensively. Imagine being Bobby Grich. 129 wRC+ hitter, 69.2 WAR and excellent defensively. What a crock of s***.

 

I’d run with Laila’s idea of a separate wing of the Hall but that’s where the Veteran Committee inductees should go

[Laika]

Fourteen-year-old schoolboy Andy Jerpe retrieved the ball amid the cherry trees in Schenley Park, which was adjacent to the ballpark. Mazeroski signed the ball for him in the clubhouse, but the keepsake was lost during a neighborhood game a short time later.

 

^^ I guess the Sandlot plot is based on the Mazeroski ball?

[wamco]

From all objective reports, Schilling doesn’t hold a candle to Ty Cobb in that regard. I’m sure that’s not the only mega douchebag in the Hall either. That’s just crazy that being an ******* keeps you out of the HOF. It completely ignores precedent for no other good reason than current PC culture.

 

At least cheating I can understand to a certain degree, even if I don’t agree

 

Have you read

The new book on Cobb? A terrible beauty. Really good. Contradicts the 1st book quite a bit. The first one was written (and then movie made based on it ) by a guy who seemed to have quite a few character issues of his own

[Grant77]

I’d run with Laila’s idea of a separate wing of the Hall but that’s where the Veteran Committee inductees should go

 

I don't like that idea because it implies that players elected by the veterans committee are not as deserving, which isn't true.

 

Look at guys like Sam Crawford, Addie Joss, Ed Delahanty, Alan Trammell, and Old Hoss Radbourne.

 

They are all deserving by any standard and better than a great number of BBWAA inductees.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

I don't like that idea because it implies that players elected by the veterans committee are not as deserving, which isn't true.

 

Look at guys like Sam Crawford, Addie Joss, Ed Delahanty, Alan Trammell, and Old Hoss Radbourne.

 

They are all deserving by any standard and better than a great number of BBWAA inductees.

 

As Jays fans (or a vast majority) we think that Steib is deserving of full honours....just like Jack Morris, maybe even more so than Morris!

[Spanky99]

[jerb]

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

Right-handed Michael Wacha and the Tampa Bay Rays are in agreement on a one-year, $3 million contract, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN. @TBTimes_Rays said it was close.

[Orgfiller]

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

Right-handed Michael Wacha and the Tampa Bay Rays are in agreement on a one-year, $3 million contract, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN. @TBTimes_Rays said it was close.

 

Wacha has looked cooked for two seasons now but I fully expect him to get back to his 2017 self now that the Rays brought him in.

[Laika]

Wacha's K/BB was great in 2020.

[Carlos Danger]

Wacha Wacha - Because who doesn't love looking at Shakira

 

[G-Snarls]

Wacha Wacha - Because who doesn't love looking at Shakira

 

 

I will see your Shakira song and raise you one Fozzy Bear...

 

[BTS]

Wacha Wacha - Because who doesn't love looking at Shakira

 

 

[Grant77]

Eugenio Suarez might be available and is obviously a good fit. What kind of package would you give for him?

[Spanky99]

Eugenio Suarez might be available and is obviously a good fit. What kind of package would you give for him?

 

Not so sure, but Saurez has a great contract and controlled through '24, should be pricey. I still like Turner or Bryant as a short gap fill in at a far less price.

[King]

 

Amir Garrett educate yourself challenge

[Olerud363]

Eugenio Suarez might be available and is obviously a good fit. What kind of package would you give for him?

 

I'm really hesitant to give up anything in the top 7. Up to Orelvis Martinez.

 

Not sure if it's possible to make a package without one of them though. Say you packaged Moreno, Hiraldo, Kloffenstein and Pardinho. Enough? If not, what kind of player could you get with that package?

 

Am I over-rating the top 7? Seems like there is good reason to make each untouchable. It's really difficult with the missing minor league season. The top 7 all have good arguments that they could already be top 10 overall prospects. All 7 aren't because a team doesn't ever have 7 of the top 10 mlb prospects. Not every prospect develops. But which ones made the jump in 2020 and which ones didn't?

[G-Snarls]

Dec. 21: A Maricopa County judge has accepted Tony La Russa’s guilty plea for reckless driving, per Jon Seidel of the Chicago Sun-Times.

 

He’s been sentenced to a day of jail time, which has been commuted to home detention, and 20 hours of community service. He’ll be fined $1,383 as well. La Russa also recently went through alcohol counseling, according to his attorney.

[G-Snarls]

Let's go White Sox!!!