Jays sign Travis Shaw

[Deadpool]

I’d like Espinal (who was protected from the rule 5 draft) to be the back up middle infielder ahead of Urena/Valera. But yeah we have enough infield players now.

 

I'm quite fine jettisoning Urena into the sun, I'm a LITTLE bit intrigued by Valera, but not enough to really care that much. I'm not really up on Espinal's fielding, but if he can capably backup SS, his bat would seem to play.

[Angrioter]

Shaw suck against lefties. We need a right smasher.... Bring back Edwin

[glory]

I think Edwin is still possible unless the team wants to keep DH open. The DH options right now (assuming Teoscar starts in the OF) are Fisher, Drury, backup catcher, McKinney, Alford, Davis, etc. I don’t think this move makes Edwin impossible though lessens the chances depending on what the payroll is. If anything they need a back IF who hits lefties and can platoon with Shaw, though that will probably end up being Drury because he hits from the right side (doesn’t hit lefties though). Edited December 22, 2019 by glory

[Pendleton]

Shaw suck against lefties. We need a right smasher.... Bring back Edwin

 

Wilmer Flores

[Grant77]

I would enjoy watching this lineup:

 

6 Bichette

4 Biggio

5 Guerrero

0 Encarnacion

3 Shaw

7 Gurriel

9 Grichuk

8 Hernandez

2 Jansen

[bones10]

Sign Ryu and some relievers as a filers and this was the best off-season in a long time.

[L54]

Good signing. Would still want Edwin here for 1/10.

[wamco]

I dig it

Punt urena

Option drury

Option rowdy

 

Sign Edwin

Sign ryu

 

Piggyback borucki and Thornton in 5 spot until Pearson comes up or shoemaker gets hurt, whichever happens first.

 

Kay/wags as multi inning rp or aaa depth

[Ray]

Pretty crazy to think that signing Ryu to a $20M AAV deal would still only put us at $106M opening day payroll, according to Cots.

 

We could realistically sign Ryu and Edwin.

[Ray]

Speaking of, what actually happened with Shaw last season? His BABIP was low, but not outrageously low. His barrel% was fine. His avg exit velo and Hard-Hit% was fine. BB% was fine. His just started striking out a lot all of sudden?

 

His avg launch angle was incredibly high too. Maybe the fly ball revolution philosophy didn’t resonate with him.

[Slade]

Love this signing. I don't think this eliminates EE in anyway but again I don't think EE serves much of a purpose on this team.

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Slade
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[saskjayfan]

Love this signing. I don't think this eliminates EE in anyway but again I don't think EE serves much of a purpose on this team.

 

 

Eddie on the cheap is a 25 percent above league average hitter who mentors the young guys and at a reasonable cost you can flip him for something at the deadline to a contender

[Maico450]

I like the deal. The fact that he is left handed hitter like Rowdy, is immaterial as Rowdy has shown to hit LHP very well. I think he sees the ball better against lefties. With the 26 man roster, there is certainly room for EE as well, it would be good to have a power guy on the bench for pinch hitting, and injury replacement.

There is a lot of upside to this deal, with no risk.

[Grant77]

Love this signing. I don't think this eliminates EE in anyway but again I don't think EE serves much of a purpose on this team.

 

 

The only purpose he serves is being an excellent hitter in a position of need, a good mentor to the young latino players, and a fan favourite. Other than that I don't know why we'd sign him to a zero risk deal.

[keggy]

Tellez is like 5 years younger and projected to outhit Shaw next year so I'm not entirely clear on why one needs to be banished over the other.

 

Where Shaw's true value comes is in his positional flexibility. Dump Drury finally, let Tellez fight for a 1B/DH position, and NRI some players who can hit LHP.

 

Also now Edwin makes no sense for this team at all. Guerrero is the worst defensive third baseman in baseball and takes days off on a regular basis. Unless we're serious about contending next year the roster spot and positional flexibility is more valuable than Edwin's bat.

[Laika]

3B - Vlad

1B - Shaw

DH - EE

BN - Tellez/Drury

AAA - Tellez/Drury

 

I don't see the problem. Tellez and Drury both have options IIRC so nobody is being cut or banished. People will get hurt or suck and there will be playing time for all. If Tellez performs he can earn a platoon role - he should not be just gifted a starting gig.

[keggy]

3B - Vlad

1B - Shaw

DH - EE

BN - Tellez/Drury

AAA - Tellez/Drury

 

I don't see the problem. Tellez and Drury both have options IIRC so nobody is being cut or banished. People will get hurt or suck and there will be playing time for all. If Tellez performs he can earn a platoon role - he should not be just gifted a starting gig.

 

Fair enough. Agreed 100% Tellez should earn a spot.

[wamco]

2 thoughts :

 

- with ee history with the jays, If you are Atkins, can you sign him and then trade him away at the deadline? In the public eye I mean. This wouldn’t be like signing cj cron.

 

- if starting from scratch, no emotion involved , wouldn’t it be best to put Shaw at 3b and vlad at 1b vs Rhp?

[Laika]

2 thoughts :

 

- with ee history with the jays, If you are Atkins, can you sign him and then trade him away at the deadline? In the public eye I mean. This wouldn’t be like signing cj cron.

 

- if starting from scratch, no emotion involved , wouldn’t it be best to put Shaw at 3b and vlad at 1b vs Rhp?

 

Edwin has played on 4 teams since 2016. He gets it and would probably HOPE to be traded to a contender at the deadline.

 

Shaw @ 3B and Vlad at DH is probably optimal for maximizing 2020 wins but they won't do it because Vlad's 3B development will take priority.

[wamco]

I dunno. I think ee would love a 1-2 year deal to end career in Toronto. Win or lose. He is loved here.

 

We are all in agreement that vlads “development “ ends when Groshans is ready for 3b right?

 

 

Imagine a scenario where Pearson and Groshans didn’t have a lost year of development and how that would look.

[Grant77]

With Shaw's positional flexibility and inability to hit LHP, I think you can have Edwing split time at 1B and still have half of the DH at-bats for guys like Fisher and/or rest days for regulars.

[Jonn]

I still want Edwin back. Shaw should only face right handed pitching. Tellez can play in AAA or be moved to any team that wants him no issues.

[The Iceman]

Given it's 1Y/4M, I'd guess it's more likely he could replace Drury eventually, but begin as Smoak's replacement. I wonder if this takes us out on Edwin? He would be a bit redundant after Shaw.

 

Lets sign EE and make Rowdy redundant.

roll me out a lineup of

Bo

Vladdy

Biggio

EE

Shaw

Lourdes

Randal

Catcher

Outfielder TBA

And bye-bye Drury, McKinney, back to Buffalo Rowdy

[The Iceman]

Love this signing. I don't think this eliminates EE in anyway but again I don't think EE serves much of a purpose on this team.

 

 

EE 34 HR in 109 games last season and you can't see him fitting in?

I will personally drive Rowdy-Drury-INSERT OTHER CRAPPY BJ NAMES HER to the airport.

 

Add that to a super big fan fav, likable team mate and WELCOME HOME EE

[Spanky99]

No link so you’ll have to trust me.

 

Noice!

[JaysAllMighty]

We might compete after all in 2020. Need more additions and we're in.

[G-Snarls]

We might compete after all in 2020. Need more additions and we're in.

 

Price

Bettances

Mitch Haniger

 

Then we're good to go

[Brownie19]

Price

Bettances

Mitch Haniger

 

Then we're good to go

 

How do we add Haniger? What's he cost us?

[Laika]

How do we add Haniger? What's he cost us?

 

Too much, lol

[spats]

We might compete after all in 2020. Need more additions and we're in.

 

Just signed one big addition to the pitching staff. Shatkins having a terrific off season.