Around Baseball 2019

[Laika]

That’s so bad that you have to assume Kluber’s medicals are not good

[Stangstag]

Wow how the hell did Texas get him for NOTHING. Gotta think at least 20 other teams would have offered something better

[glory]

[Ray]

nope that's it...salary dump. Where were the Jays in all of this.

 

There’s more, according to Levi Weaver on Twitter

[saskjayfan]

That’s so bad that you have to assume Kluber’s medicals are not good

 

he had a fracture forearm. How did Pearson bounce back from a fractured forearm? Prior to that Kluber averaged over 200 innings and a 2.84 FIP from 2014 to 2018. This deal make me sick to my stomach.

Edited December 15, 2019 by saskjayfan

[Orgfiller]

Some guy just said that's not the whole deal. Obviously if that's all there is to it, it's a historically poor return.

[saskjayfan]

There’s more, according to Levi Weaver on Twitter

 

There better be, Deschields who isn't very good is a free agent in 2022.

[Nofunatall]

There better be, Deschields who isn't very good is a free agent in 2022.

 

Texas taking on all of Kluber's salary in the deal.

[saskjayfan]

Texas taking on all of Kluber's salary in the deal.

 

so for an extra 6 mil and spare parts we could have had kluber at the top of the rotation instead of Roark. That's hilarious.

[Barkerfan23]

so we signed Roark for 2 years 24 instead getting Kluber for 2 years 35 and spare parts. We gave Cleveland Josh Donaldson for nothing. Did they not owe us?

 

Nah baldo got Merryweather

 

He has no influence with anybody it seems

[Barkerfan23]

f*** you Shapiro

 

Where my ball club gone

[Pendleton]

[glory]

 

Rosenthal just retweeted this, so looks like it might be just the 2-for-1 originally reported.

[saskjayfan]

 

Rosenthal just retweeted this, so looks like it might be just the 2-for-1 originally reported.

 

I'm sure the Jays were in on Kluber, but they couldn't bring themselves to part with Fisher..lol

[BTS]

Would, like, Alford and Giles have landed him?

[glory]

Kluber on a 1+1 deal seems more sensible than overpaying someone in free agency, especially if the cost was minimal. I don't know who the Jays have that Cleveland would perceive as equal or better than Clase, but I'm sure something could have gotten done without having it hurt the Jays farm system. A minor league reliever and an arb elible replacement level OF doesn't seem like a price that would be hard to beat.

[Abomination]

Kluber on a 1+1 deal seems more sensible than overpaying someone in free agency, especially if the cost was minimal. I don't know who the Jays have that Cleveland would perceive as equal or better than Clase, but I'm sure something could have gotten done without having it hurt the Jays farm system. A minor league reliever and an arb elible replacement level OF doesn't seem like a price that would be hard to beat.

 

I assume this is all about Clase. They must feel like Kluber won't regain his form. Maybe they've spotted something with Deshields and think they can fix him. Who knows. I don't think we have an equivalent pitcher to Clase, but Teoscar probably beats out Deshields.

[saskjayfan]

Kluber on a 1+1 deal seems more sensible than overpaying someone in free agency, especially if the cost was minimal. I don't know who the Jays have that Cleveland would perceive as equal or better than Clase, but I'm sure something could have gotten done without having it hurt the Jays farm system. A minor league reliever and an arb elible replacement level OF doesn't seem like a price that would be hard to beat.

 

have no fear. We're not going to overpay anyone in free agency either. We're optimistically targeting 2022 and if that doesn't work out 2023 will surely be our year.

[saskjayfan]

I assume this is all about Clase. They must feel like Kluber won't regain his form. Maybe they've spotted something with Deshields and think they can fix him. Who knows. I don't think we have an equivalent pitcher to Clase, but Teoscar probably beats out Deshields.

 

Deshields has 2 years of control left. Kluber had a broken forearm. Pearson bounced back nice from a broken forearm. It's not like Kluber was crap for an extended period. He basically didn't pitch last year due to injury. He was one of the most reliable starters in baseball from 2014 to 2018.

[Barkerfan23]

Please stop defending this front office

 

On multiple times Jay's helped out the Indians and got garbage in return

[Abomination]

Deshields has 2 years of control left. Kluber had a broken forearm. Pearson bounced back nice from a broken forearm. It's not like Kluber was crap for an extended period. He basically didn't pitch last year due to injury. He was one of the most reliable starters in baseball from 2014 to 2018.

 

Kluber wasn't exactly stellar in his starts prior to the broken arm, and then had some other injuries after while rehabbing. He's also 34 this year. It's certainly possible they know something we don't. That said, I think they got fleeced too. I was just trying to find some justification from their end.

 

Maybe they'll even try to start Clase.

[keggy]

Would, like, Alford and Giles have landed him?

 

I'm thinking something like Gurriel and Kay.

[Grant77]

Would, like, Alford and Giles have landed him?

 

Given what Texas gave up, we probably could have done Alford and SRF. It was a pure salary dump for Cleveland from what I see.

[TheHurl]

he had a fracture forearm. How did Pearson bounce back from a fractured forearm? Prior to that Kluber averaged over 200 innings and a 2.84 FIP from 2014 to 2018. This deal make me sick to my stomach.

 

you can't compare a 20 year old to a 34 year old when it comes to injury recovery.

 

The 2021 option now vests at 160 IP assuming he is not on the DL at the end of the season.

[Bobthe4th]

[TheHurl]

More important than Cleveland thinking Kluber won't recover...there were obviously not a lot of teams willing to give up much for him. Clase is a 21 year old who has already looked good relieving in the majors and has 6 full years of control. He is essentially Jordan Hicks prior to the injury.

[Ray]

Yeah, I’m thinking there might be something really off with Klubers medicals if teams didn’t step up and beat that.

 

I mean, the Yankees could’ve easily beaten that package. So could the Padres and Angels who both have significantly better farm systems than the Rangers. Seems a little odd.

[Maico450]

The Indians pulled off a good trade. They picked up a good defensive centerfielder, and a potential future closer with 6 years of control. They dumped 15 mill off the books, which will allow them to sign a replacement for Kluber. Or go in another direction as desired.

I cant see the Jays FO willing to part with a Clase quality prospect, to get a SP with questionable health issues.

[Spanky__99]

so we signed Roark for 2 years 24 instead getting Kluber for 2 years 35 and spare parts. We gave Cleveland Josh Donaldson for nothing. Did they not owe us?

 

lol... what on earth are you talking about, owe us?

[saskjayfan]

The Indians pulled off a good trade. They picked up a good defensive centerfielder, and a potential future closer with 6 years of control. They dumped 15 mill off the books, which will allow them to sign a replacement for Kluber. Or go in another direction as desired.

I cant see the Jays FO willing to part with a Clase quality prospect, to get a SP with questionable health issues.

 

More prospect love. Nothing in his numbers suggests Clase is the 2nd coming of Aroldis Chapman. Deshields is a free agent in 2 years. They wanted to get rid of salary and got a pitcher in return. It may be a good trade for them if they're waiving the white flag and looking to rebuild. Kluber comes with risk and he could very well be a top 5 cy young candidate next year. His injuries weren't one's that players typically can't fully recover from.