General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[spittin]

Time to trade Stro, dude is flapping his lips too much.

[WryNGinger]

As much as it would suck to have the Jays lose, I would love for the Stro' Show to fall flat on his face to start the season. Nothing but meatballs and having him get his ass rocked... Maybe then he would stfu and learn some humility. Can't stand him as a person.

[Spanky99]

Yeah... I don't get that line of thinking, sorry. ^^^^

[Rusty_Savage]

As much as it would suck to have the Jays lose, I would love for the Stro' Show to fall flat on his face to start the season. Nothing but meatballs and having him get his ass rocked... Maybe then he would stfu and learn some humility. Can't stand him as a person.

 

I can't stand him as a person either and don't want someone who's continually negative around the young guys. I hope he pitches well enough to get a solid return....then falls on his face

[Pendleton]

As much as it would suck to have the Jays lose, I would love for the Stro' Show to fall flat on his face to start the season. Nothing but meatballs and having him get his ass rocked... Maybe then he would stfu and learn some humility. Can't stand him as a person.

 

So you're a fan of a team, yet would prefer to see one of its potentially most valuable assets completely diminish his value.... seems sensible.

Edited February 20, 2019 by Pendleton

[John_Havok]

Eh, just try to look at it from the athlete's perspective. I doubt he's the only guy in there with these thoughts. You spend a whole off-season grinding so you can play well. And for what? Your team is not trying to win! Imagine experiencing our playoff runs and then being like, "You know what.. I don't really need to feel that again, thanks. I'd rather Rogers just saves some money."

 

From his perspective it probably doesn't make sense that we weren't in on Harper/Machado considering how low our payroll is and how we have almost literally zero future obligations. But he might sigh and let that go. Then you have mid-tier FAs signing for nothing and that's pretty incomprehensible to him. And then you have a prodigy just laying waste to the minors, and at that point Stroman is flipping over tables probably.

 

I honestly don't even mind these comments. Even though I'm on board with Shatkins sitting this off-season out, I'm in favour of applying pressure because we gotta get going soon when Vlad comes up.

 

There are many ways to say what he said without sounding like an egocentric douchecanoe.

 

"As long as everyone knows how I feel, that's all I care about."

 

Nevermind that alot of stuff that he said could be interpreted as insulting towards his current teammates. Just as long as everyone knows how Marcus Stroman feels, that's all that matters.

[Brownie19]

There are many ways to say what he said without sounding like an egocentric douchecanoe.

 

"As long as everyone knows how I feel, that's all I care about."

 

Nevermind that alot of stuff that he said could be interpreted as insulting towards his current teammates. Just as long as everyone knows how Marcus Stroman feels, that's all that matters.

 

yeah - nothing like insinuating your teammates are s*** right before you start a 162 game journey with them.

[Carlos Danger]

This team is better than last years. If Stroman does his job better then he did last year, it definitely is.

 

All the veterans we have replaced, have been replaced or will be replaced by better players.

 

So, suck it Stroman.

[Dick_Pole]

The best we can hope for is that he twists this hole that he dug for himself into some kind of adversity that he has to overcome and pitches well enough to get a good return in a trade.

 

No reason to hope he does poorly now, or ever (except when facing the Jays in the future). He's not some dirtbag wife beater, he's just some stupid guy that mouths off too much and he has worn out his welcome for many of us, management probably included.

[WryNGinger]

I can't stand him as a person either and don't want someone who's continually negative around the young guys. I hope he pitches well enough to get a solid return....then falls on his face

 

I get that. As a fan of the team I agree that would be best for the team but I really want all his excuses taken away and him have to face the fact that he is a blowhard douche bag with a 80 tool mouth, a 20 head and a 40 arm.

[Rusty_Savage]

I get that. As a fan of the team I agree that would be best for the team but I really want all his excuses taken away and him have to face the fact that he is a blowhard douche bag with a 80 tool mouth, a 20 head and a 40 arm.

 

His excuses can be taken away on another team

[Krylian]

I get that. As a fan of the team I agree that would be best for the team but I really want all his excuses taken away and him have to face the fact that he is a blowhard douche bag with a 80 tool mouth, a 20 head and a 40 arm.

 

I agree with the first two grades. Hope the arm is a 60 though so we can get a nice return.

[The Iceman]

Stro will re establish himself as a top of the rotation starter and be in demand at the trade deadline...BOOK-IT

[Acemeister79]

Stroman has watched Jerry McGuire too many times - he thinks he's Rod Tidwell / Cuba Gooding Jr with his 'look at me' antics. Most of the greatest athletes are content to let others proclaim their greatness (hello Wayne) - Stro must have missed that lesson somewhere.

[John_Havok]

Stroman has watched Jerry McGuire too many times - he thinks he's Rod Tidwell / Cuba Gooding Jr with his 'look at me' antics. Most of the greatest athletes are content to let others proclaim their greatness (hello Wayne) - Stro must have missed that lesson somewhere.

 

Difference being Stroman is nowhere near that level of greatness. Stroman is like the Oilers early 80s version of Kenny Linseman

[Grant77]

Hi guys, off topic, but I'm bummed out today. Just caught up on the MLB network's top 100 players show, and the Jays don't have one player on it. I understand that Vlad Jr. will be on it next year. But this is a break down of the top teams:

 

Red Sox - 6

Indians - 6

Nationals - 5

Astros - 7

Yankees - 8

Braves - 4

Dodgers - 7

 

And they all have good/great farm systems with players to step in. Like Astros with Whitley and Tucker.

 

We can't compete in the forseeable future. It's simple math. We currently have 0 and those teams have 5, 6, 7. Our current best player, Smoakie, is on the wrong side of 30 and probably won't re-sign, so he can be on a winner.

 

Vlad has said to have Miggy comparisons. But Miggy can't bring a championship on his own. Look at the Tigers record the past couple of years.

 

Hypothetically speaking, even if we broke the bank to get Harper and Machado, we'd only have 3 in the top 100. Still wouldn't cut it. I dunno. Maybe I'm overthinking things. I would just hate another 20 year drought.

 

One of those teams has the consensus worst farm system in the league.

[Acemeister79]

Quite right...

[metafour]

Stroman has watched Jerry McGuire too many times - he thinks he's Rod Tidwell / Cuba Gooding Jr with his 'look at me' antics. Most of the greatest athletes are content to let others proclaim their greatness (hello Wayne) - Stro must have missed that lesson somewhere.

 

This. He's a complete fake. Its obvious that he's trying to emulate someone like Michael Jordan. The problem is that athletes of that nature aren't putting on a front - their aura/projection is a result of their actions and is thus natural because it is validated by OTHERS. Stroman is like the guy who reads Jordan's autobiography and then thinks he can just "become" that persona if he talks enough. Michael Jordan wasn't a badass because he made sure to tell everyone every day that he was a badass.

[saskjayfan]

I get that. As a fan of the team I agree that would be best for the team but I really want all his excuses taken away and him have to face the fact that he is a blowhard douche bag with a 80 tool mouth, a 20 head and a 40 arm.

 

He's got a career 3.62 FIP and he definitely dealt with pitching without 100% health last year. That's not a 40 arm. People are downgrading his talent because of personal bias.

 

He's an extremely important asset at this point. We need to trade him for no less than what he's worth. If we can't trade him for what he's worth because of all the background noise, we should consider the alternative of extending him at a discount because of the background noise. I tend to think the latter is better route to entertain, but I haven't seen his medical reports. I'm not sure how much injury risk is there. His ego could prevent a reasonable extension as well. It may be a rock and a hard place. The longer it goes the more difficult it will become. Management should at least be engaging his agent on extension talks to see where the numbers are.

[Bobthe4th]

He's got a career 3.62 FIP and he definitely dealt with pitching without 100% health last year. That's not a 40 arm. People are downgrading his talent because of personal bias.

 

He's an extremely important asset at this point. We need to trade him for no less than what he's worth. If we can't trade him for what he's worth because of all the background noise, we should consider the alternative of extending him at a discount because of the background noise. I tend to think the latter is better route to entertain, but I haven't seen his medical reports. I'm not sure how much injury risk is there. His ego could prevent a reasonable extension as well. It may be a rock and a hard place. The longer it goes the more difficult it will become. Management should at least be engaging his agent on extension talks to see where the numbers are.

 

The only thing I'd add is that from Atkins' comments about "lengthy discussions" it appears they have at least had that initial conversation (which they'd be negligent if they hadn't TBH). I suspect the front office and Stroman's belief on what an extension should look like are too different to enter into serious discussions at this point, but no one really knows.

Edited February 21, 2019 by Bobthe4th

[Dick_Pole]

He's got a career 3.62 FIP and he definitely dealt with pitching without 100% health last year. That's not a 40 arm. People are downgrading his talent because of personal bias.

 

He's an extremely important asset at this point. We need to trade him for no less than what he's worth. If we can't trade him for what he's worth because of all the background noise, we should consider the alternative of extending him at a discount because of the background noise. I tend to think the latter is better route to entertain, but I haven't seen his medical reports. I'm not sure how much injury risk is there. His ego could prevent a reasonable extension as well. It may be a rock and a hard place. The longer it goes the more difficult it will become. Management should at least be engaging his agent on extension talks to see where the numbers are.

 

When somebody retweets nonsense in a kind of protest, management's ability to extend his contract at favourable terms isn't impacted by their dislike for the guy. It's impacted by the fact that he's a moron and likely making moronic requests behind the scenes like pushing to sign Carlos Gomez. You said it yourself - ego.

 

It doesn't help matters that, sadly, Stroman is one of the top and most tenured players on this team. That means he feels like he should take on a leadership role. If he's traded to a team with several veterans who are clearly better than he is, that might encourage him to take a dose of STFU.

[Laika]

Was Marcus' plea for veteran leadership an unintentional admission of his own immaturity?

 

Hmmm...

[tercet]

Stroman is an egotistical maniac like Spanky but he is a good pitcher, I think last year is an anomaly, he will bounce back.

[Ray]

Stroman is an egotistical maniac like Spanky but he is a good pitcher, I think last year is an anomaly, he will bounce back.

 

Have you talked to his mom, though?

[P2F]

[Captain Adama]

First I've ever heard someone using the muscles in their fingertips to throw harder.

[TheHurl]

Jays forcing LGJ to cut his hair.

[TheHurl]

 

Matt Harvey (JPA's Matt Harvey, not Angels Matt Harvey) is pissed.

[Abomination]

Jays forcing LGJ to cut his hair.

 

There has to be more to this story.

[Laika]

He has lice

 

Apparently he picked them up in the aptly named Licey