Happ traded to NYY for Brandon Drury and Billy McKinney

[BTS]

Great so we don't even have this to look forward to anymore

 

Well, mikem said his xwOBA is 0.344. So his trackman profile is insane! (Given his results)

[Grant77]

I would have preferred getting a high level arm like Adams or Loaisiga in the trade, but I am pretty satisfied with Drury and McKinney.

 

The arms in Low A that everyone seems to be clamouring for are the type of return that a team with no leverage in the midst of a total rebuild will get. They are a good 5 years away and have maybe a 5% chance of ever making a meaningful contribution.

 

We already have a robust farm system at all levels and we're looking to build a core around Vlad and Bo. This deal will certainly help us in that regard. Shapiro and Atkins are perfectly capable of building a winner and maintaining a strong farm system without bottoming out and tanking.

[LGBJ29]

[BTS]

I would have preferred getting a high level arm like Adams or Loaisiga in the trade, but I am pretty satisfied with Drury and McKinney.

 

The arms in Low A that everyone seems to be clamouring for are the type of return that a team with no leverage in the midst of a total rebuild will get. They are a good 5 years away and have maybe a 5% chance of ever making a meaningful contribution.

 

We already have a robust farm system at all levels and we're looking to build a core around Vlad and Bo. This deal will certainly help us in that regard. Shapiro and Atkins are perfectly capable of building a winner and maintaining a strong farm system without bottoming out and tanking.

 

You like McKinney a lot more than a combo of Roancy Contreras and Gio Gallegos?

[Laika]

I would have preferred getting a high level arm like Adams or Loaisiga in the trade, but I am pretty satisfied with Drury and McKinney.

 

The arms in Low A that everyone seems to be clamouring for are the type of return that a team with no leverage in the midst of a total rebuild will get. They are a good 5 years away and have maybe a 5% chance of ever making a meaningful contribution.

 

We already have a robust farm system at all levels and we're looking to build a core around Vlad and Bo. This deal will certainly help us in that regard. Shapiro and Atkins are perfectly capable of building a winner and maintaining a strong farm system without bottoming out and tanking.

 

Chance Adams has had pedestrian numbers since he left A+.

 

Billy McKinney is also the type of return that a loser seller settles for.

[Captain Adama]

I predict SirBjay will be very very happy with this trade.

 

How on earth did you guess????

[Pulk_Pull]

I would have rather kept Happ than give him to the Yankees for nothing.

 

 

Thanks for your input Mr. Angelos

[jays4life19]

How on earth did you guess????

 

I keep notes on who likes certain prospects so I can make better trade offers and McKinney is under your name

[Pendleton]

I keep notes on who likes certain prospects so I can make better trade offers and McKinney is under your name

 

Who's under my name?

[Orgfiller]

I feel Rays got a better deal for Eovaldi, Rays picked up a starter with considerable upside.

 

I feel like the Rays got a way better prospect for a way lessor pitcher. Its like we are collecting these average hitters.

 

I think this is arguable. Yes Beeks has incredible numbers this year, but he's doing it as a 24 year old so it's not as impressive, and he's a pitcher. I think it's a comparable return for what ultimately are two comparable starters, with Happ being much safer and the better performer.

[Captain Adama]

To be fair, McKinney does have an intriguing offensive profile and he's been hitting for power since last year as a 23 year old in Triple A. That's not nothing.

 

Obviously I would have preferred a guy like Medina or their lower level pitchers, but it seems safe to say those guys were off the table.

[Brownie19]

 

23 hrs and about a 130 wRC+ in his last 450 PA's in AAA. His walk rate has plummeted though after posting a 10+ BB% in AA.

[Captain Adama]

23 hrs and about a 130 wRC+ in his last 450 PA's in AAA. His walk rate has plummeted though after posting a 10+ BB% in AA.

 

Inverse relationship between power and walk rate.

[Brownie19]

I feel Rays got a better deal for Eovaldi, Rays picked up a starter with considerable upside.

 

I feel like the Rays got a way better prospect for a way lessor pitcher. Its like we are collecting these average hitters.

 

They may have gotten a better return. Then again, Eovaldi's been pitching a lot better than Happ as of late. Happ's performance has decreased every month this season (outside of his xFIP in July)

[Grant77]

You like McKinney a lot more than a combo of Roancy Contreras and Gio Gallegos?

 

Value may be fairly close, but McKinney fits a lot better into our timeline for winning. Contreras has interesting stuff, but has no real track record of success outside of 5 starts in low A. He's the type of guy you can get as an IFA. As for Gallegos, I don't place much value on 26 year old relievers with home run problems.

[jays4life19]

Who's under my name?

 

I'll check when i'm home but you have a lot. lol

[Laika]

To be honest retooling is more fun than competing.

 

All of a sudden a bunch of guys who were kind of on the periphery of my fantasy baseball radar a couple of years ago are now Blue Jays!

[Bobthe4th]

Terminator said this in the other thread but I think he's right - Drury will actually have four years of control after this one. He'll certainly be under 3.000 years of service time after 2018. If Toronto keeps him down for a bit then maybe he'll even dodge Super 2 status? Not that that matters.

 

I'd be disappointed if Drury is here for four more years, he's not very good.

[Laika]

I'd be disappointed if Drury is here for four more years, he's not very good.

 

Thanks for the scouting report, Robert IV.

[Jonn]

Pretty much an industry consensus that Cashman stole Happ. I really would have liked to know what the Brewers were offering.

[Terminator]

Pretty much an industry consensus that Cashman stole Happ. I really would have liked to know what the Brewers were offering.

 

Most of the bluecheck people on twitter are saying the Jays got a good deal.

[bendera3]

Pretty much an industry consensus that Cashman stole Happ. I really would have liked to know what the Brewers were offering.

 

We got 1 guy who is versatile and a decent prospect. That's pretty much what I figured we'd get.

[LGBJ29]

Pretty much an industry consensus that Cashman stole Happ. I really would have liked to know what the Brewers were offering.

 

Kind of weird to see people say Cashman is a genius and Drury sucks at the same time. He traded his #8 and #14 prospects for him this past offseason

[Krylian]

Ross Atkins: “We’re at the point now where our position player talent is very, very strong, and it would be hard to really upgrade.”

 

The #BlueJays ranked 24th out of 30 teams in positional fWAR entering today. Nine teams have over double their positional WAR (7.6).

 

(Keegan Matheson tweet)

[BTS]

Ross Atkins: “We’re at the point now where our position player talent is very, very strong, and it would be hard to really upgrade.”

 

The #BlueJays ranked 24th out of 30 teams in positional fWAR entering today. Nine teams have over double their positional WAR (7.6).

 

(Keegan Matheson tweet)

 

Yikes

[King]

Woops

[TheRustler]

Ouch

[Jonn]

That quote doesn’t really inspire much confidence.

[John_Havok]

I would have rather kept Happ than give him to the Yankees for nothing.

 

9 years of control over position players that aren't trash is a pretty decent return on a pending UFA that isn't helping your team get to the playoffs.

 

Neither are likely to be stars, but if you squint you can see a few WAR combined over the next few seasons.

[BTS]

He's probably including the minor leaguers.

 

It’s still pretty much just Pillar, Smoak, and Vlad that a contending team would want starting in 2019, and a bunch of potentially good players you’d want in a reserve role until/unless they establish themselves (Gurriel, Drury, Grichuk, Diaz, Hernandez etc...

 

Weird comment to make.