Oh Traded to Colorado for Forrest Wall, Chad Spanberger, PTBNL

[BTS]

I had a request to start this thread to keep the other one for other rumours.

[Angrioter]

Nice

[Abomination]

Pretty decent return. Don't forget about the PTBNL too.

[BTS]

I hope Tepera is next. Clear out all the non-elite arms.

[TheHurl]

I'll move the BA most recent scouting reports

 

Wall

 

Ranked Colorado Rockies #18 prospect after the 2017 season

The Rockies drafted Wall 35th overall in 2014, making him the highest drafted prep second baseman since the draft was consolidated into one phase in 1987. Wall's play at second base proved inadequate, however, and he began a transition to center field at high Class A Lancaster in 2017. The effort was cut short when he separated his left shoulder diving for a ball in May and missed the rest of the season. Wall has struggled to live up to his draft pedigree as a gifted hitter. He has a solid feel for contact but little power and does not drive the ball. He has plus speed to make it work as a singles hitter with a lot of stolen bases, although the Rockies are optimistic he can grow into extra-base power as he gets stronger. Defensively, Wall was nearly unplayable at second base and labrum surgery on his right shoulder in high school sapped his arm strength. Wall has hope to make it as a contact and speed-type, but now has major surgery on both shoulders to deal with and needs to find a defensive home. He is expected to be healthy for the start of 2018.

 

Spanberger

 

Ranked Colorado Rockies #28 prospect after the 2017 season

Spanberger finally settled in at first base his junior year at Arkansas, and made more starts (58) in 2017 than the previous two years combined (55). A catcher/third basemen in high school in Granite City, Ill., he saw limited time as a DH his freshman year at Arkansas and played some outfield his sophomore year. He finally became a regular as a first baseman in 2017, and responded by becoming the sixth player in Arkansas history to hit 20 home runs. The Rockies drafted Spanberger in the sixth round in 2017, signed him for $260,200, and watched with glee as he hit 19 more home runs in 60 games at Rookie-level Grand Junction. Power is Spanberger's lone plus tool. He is physically imposing at 6-foot-3, 235 pounds and can turn around premium velocity and send it a long way. His below-average feel for hitting pushed him down draft boards despite his raw power, and that also showed up with 71 strikeouts in his pro debut. Spanberger is a work in progress defensively at first, but has embraced the challenge. He will head to low Class A Asheville in 2018 and keep rising as long as he gets to his power.

[P2F]

From FanGraphs:

 

7. Forrest Wall, CF

Drafted: 1st Round, 2014 from Orangewood Christian HS (FL)

Age

21

Height

6’0

Weight

176

Bat/Throw

L/R

Tool Grades (Present/Future)

Hit

Raw Power

Game Power

Run

Fielding

Throw

45/55

45/45

20/30

60/60

40/45

40/40

Wall has been hurt numerous times throughout his career, and the injuries have wreaked havoc on his development and arm strength. Despite his speed, a lack of arm strength could push him to left field instead of center (he’s already had to abandon second base), but Wall is so fast that he could be plus there. His combination of patience, bat control, and nearly average power don’t look terrible in left either. His range of potential outcomes starts with a bench outfield role on the low end and looks something like Brett Gardner on the other.

 

 

20. Chad Spanberger, 1B

Drafted: 6th Round, 2017 from Arkansas

Age

21

Height

6’3

Weight

235

Bat/Throw

L/R

Tool Grades (Present/Future)

Hit

Raw Power

Game Power

Run

Fielding

Throw

30/45

70/70

40/55

40/40

40/45

50/50

Spanberger went nuts during the SEC tournament with lots of scouts watching and his stock skyrocketed shortly before the draft. He has big raw power and hit 40% of his balls in play over 100 mph last year. He’s a stiff, first-base-only athlete, so he’ll have to hit all the way up the minor-league ladder. He’s off to a slow start in part because he has walked, as of publication time, in less than 2% of his 2018 plate appearances.

[DigitalRock]

Not bad for Oh.

[BTS]

BP from November 2018 had neither in their Rockeis top-10, but had this on Wall:

 

Forrest Wall 2B/OF, High-A Lancaster

There unfortunately isn’t much to write about here, as Wall dislocated his shoulder on an outfield dive after just 22 games and missed the remainder of the year. It was a tough break, as he’d shown flashes of improvement in the box early on. He added some bulk, and did well to barrel velocity he’d previously struggled to turn on with any authority in his first tour of the Cal League. The lost developmental time really hurt, however, in the form of lost centerfield reps after he converted to the grass full-time last off-season. He displayed every ounce of rawness you’d expect from a brand-new convert in April, and with speed for the position already borderline, it’s going to be a long slog for him to show he can hang at the position. Next season will be a gargantuan one for the former first-rounder’s standing in the organization, as he’ll require 40-man protection at its culmination. – Wilson Karaman

[Shart]

Uh oh!

 

Oh no!

 

Oh really.

 

Oh my God!

[BTS]

Physical/Health

Looks trim, athleticism intact after extended shoulder injury rehab last year, added strength to lower half, added explosiveness to stride, speed gains, has pretty well maxed physically

 

 

Evaluator Wilson Karaman

Report Date 05/31/2018

Dates Seen ~30x 2016-2018

Affiliate Lancaster JetHawks (High A, Rockies)

 

 

MLB ETA Risk Factor OFP Realistic Role Video

2019 Moderate 45 40/Nice versatile bench piece Yes

 

 

Makeup

Has successfully battled back from multiple catastrophic injuries

 

 

Tool Future Grade Report

Hit 50 Fluid trigger, strong hands, advanced ability to manipulate barrel, quality plate coverage, line-drive stroke with all-fields utility; gets big in leverage situations, some ugly ABs with runners on, old vulnerabilities to same-hand spin and elevated velo creep back in, will lose top hand and slice off pitches, higher rate of INF pops and weak fly-ball contact; spoils pitches well, extends ABs;

Power 30 Strength to generate some loud contact, best swing plane geared towards line drives; will look to separate in hitting counts, loses swing when he does, limited game utility of fringe-average raw

Baserunning/Speed 60 Has gained a step with improved physicality, aggressive baserunner, solid reads and releases on steal attempts, efficient cross-over, multiple clean bags on above-average pops

Glove 50 Still tentative in reading contact and tracking, raw in space going back, plus closing speed into the gaps mitigated by present rawness of route-running, some projection for improvement, potential to provide average defensive value through fringe-average glovework across multiple up-the-middle positions on top of above-average potential in left

Arm 40 Mechanics have streamlined some on the move, more efficient catch-and-release, well below-average carry, below-average velocity, stretched in center, liability in gaps

 

Overall

The odd first-round (CBA) pick as a prep second-baseman in 2014, Wall has worked his way back from myriad serious injuries to earn a recent promotion to Double-A. The makings of a solid-average hit tool remain apparent, though lost developmental time has handicapped his ability to stay focused situationally, and he still comes out of his game and his swing at times. He’s a good pure hitter, though, and has speed and aggressiveness to burn on the bases. Lancaster is a difficult place to learn outfield reads on the fly, so potential for significant development in that area in higher minors. There is a considerable gap to make up at present. He doesn’t show an especially natural feel for center, which leaves him with a likely destination in left, where his speed can help him play as a solid defender. The potential for fill-in utility at second and in center opens up a path to some bench versatility even if the hit tool doesn’t quite get all the way there.

[Pendleton]

I hope Tepera is next. Clear out all the non-elite arms.

 

Move them while they have value, try and buy low on some interesting blocked guys to replace them. Rinse and repeat.

[Orgfiller]

I hope Spanberger gets sent to Dunedin, Kacy Clemens is a total non-prospect.

 

70 raw power is legit.

[BTS]

I hope Spanberger gets sent to Dunedin, Kacy Clemens is a total non-prospect.

 

70 raw power is legit.

 

Yeah. If Spanberger starts hitting in Dunedin he starts to look pretty interesting.

[glory]

I hope Spanberger gets sent to Dunedin, Kacy Clemens is a total non-prospect.

 

70 raw power is legit.

 

I think I read he's starting in Lansing.

 

Yeah they need to move him up quick. Although if Noda is any indication, they will take their time.

[jerb]

 

Shi Davidi‏

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#BlueJays plan is to assign Forrest Wall to double-A New Hampshire and Chad Spanberger to low-A Lansing. Wall is switching clubhouses in Hartford, going from Yard Goats to Fisher Cats.

[Laika]

I hope Spanberger gets sent to Dunedin, Kacy Clemens is a total non-prospect.

 

70 raw power is legit.

 

I think someone on the twitter said he is going to Lansing, which might mean Noda is going up.

 

Or maybe they will salvage the useful parts from both Noda and Spangenberg and make one very useful Frankenstein player?

[Daniel Labude]

If Spanberger can repeat what he has done this year going up levels...or even 3/4 of it how can anyone be upset at this deal.

[glory]

Just put both Noda and Spanberger in Dunedin. Clemens is trash.

[TheHurl]

I think someone on the twitter said he is going to Lansing, which might mean Noda is going up.

 

Or maybe they will salvage the useful parts from both Noda and Spangenberg and make one very useful Frankenstein player?

 

IF Frankensteining was possible the Rays would have been all over it already

[Pendleton]

So if this is what Oh is worth, then Axford & Clippard must have zero value.

 

Wouldn't expect them to return much, but there are levels of value between this return and "zero".

[BTS]

So if this is what Oh is worth, then Axford & Clippard must have zero value.

 

Yeah. Why would a contender want John Axford?

[Brownie19]

Yeah. Why would a contender want John Axford?

 

Exactly. I imagine that Oh, Axford and Clippard were all signed as potential trade candidates if the season went sideways. We went 1 for 3, which is probably above average when you're picking off the scrap heap. I imagine F.Liriano has more value than Ax or Clippard right now simply because you can use him as a LOOGY (he's dominated lefties all year) out of the pen in the playoffs.

[Grant77]

Yeah. Why would a contender want John Axford?

 

Have you seen the Cardinals bullpen?

[TheRustler]

If Spanberger can repeat what he has done this year going up levels...or even 3/4 of it how can anyone be upset at this deal.

 

That’s a substantial ask of him.

[Boxcar]

Have you seen the Cardinals bullpen?

 

Didn't realize the choice was between nothing and Axford. This changes everything!

[Terminator]

Oh has been pretty damn good plus he's got another cheap year on top of this one. I'm glad we moved him, even for the package we got, but I think the Rockies did pretty well here.

[Grant77]

Didn't realize the choice was between nothing and Axford. This changes everything!

 

My point is that he'd be a clear upgrade to the Cardinals bullpen. They would likely be willing to give up something.

[Boxcar]

My point is that he'd be a clear upgrade to the Cardinals bullpen. They would likely be willing to give up something.

 

I got your point, and my point is why the hell would they go after Axford when they could trade next to nothing for guys who are a lot better?

[Jonn]

I can see a team taking Axford for a middle relief role. No sense keeping him around if you can move him anyway.

 

As for the Oh trade. I was honestly hoping for a bit more considering he has that option and isn't a pure rental. But the 2 guys we have are interesting at least. Spanberger has shown big time power albeit being old for the level still 70 raw power plays. And if he starts moving faster after this year he can catch up to his age group fast with that power.

 

Forrest Wall was a guy I was intrigued about when he was draft eligible. Apparently he was bad at second base but had the athleticism to play a decent CF. If he can get that bat going and continue show casing his speed and have potential position versatility as well. We may have something here.

 

Heres hoping we can send out all of these FA relief pitchers.

[Boxcar]

If Axford gets moved, I'd assume we're about to have a record number of deadline deals for s***** relievers.