The Cardinals want Josh

[Kelly Gruber]

We could look at playing Martin 1/2 time at 3rd if necessary. It would probably improve his bat quite a bit and keep him healthy, and the other half of catcher could be easier to fill this offseason than other positions. I don't think Gyorko would be absolutely necessary.

 

Speaking of 3B, what the hell happened with Lawrie? He's practically dropped off the planet it seems.

 

Jose Bautista 1 year, 2 million. His lack of range doesn't show up as much at 3rd and he could have bounce back year at plate. If doesn't 2 million isn't much to DFA

[Spanky99]

Jose Bautista 1 year, 2 million. His lack of range doesn't show up as much at 3rd and he could have bounce back year at plate. If doesn't 2 million isn't much to DFA

 

No.

[Olerud363]

You do realize how good JD is right? The guy's a f***ing baseball Cyborg, if he had stayed healthy early on, he's in the MVP talks again, or walks away with it.

 

People have short memories. Remember the Halladay deal. Roy Halladay for three guys that never amounted to much. And the Jays spun around for 4 years... until deciding to collect players like Halladay, instead of trading them.

 

In 2010, the Jays won 85. If they kept Halladay they might of been in the 90s and won a wild card.

 

What if we Trade JD and Tulo and Travis and Sanchez come back healthy... and they win 85?

 

Or what if we Trade JD, and win 77 again next year, but the Wild Card is weak again??

 

I'm not against trading him... just I agree with Spanky. You keep in mind that you may be trading a playoff spot, so you tell everyone your keepings, and you keep him unless someone absolutely blows you away with an offer.

[Jimcanuck]

Some unrealistic expectations of what 1 yr of JD will bring.

 

Gyorko for sure (Cards would no longer need him or his $), Reyes, and low minors high upside guy is likely fair value

[Krylian]

Because it's been made public Josh is not going to the Cards. If he is moved it'll be to a team we haven't heard from.

[John_Havok]

We could look at playing Martin 1/2 time at 3rd if necessary. It would probably improve his bat quite a bit and keep him healthy, and the other half of catcher could be easier to fill this offseason than other positions. I don't think Gyorko would be absolutely necessary.

 

Speaking of 3B, what the hell happened with Lawrie? He's practically dropped off the planet it seems.

 

Lawrie couldn't make the adjustments that he needed to make after the pitchers adjusted to him. That's what separates the guys who are good enough to make if to MLB, from those that are good enough to stay

[Abomination]

Lawrie couldn't make the adjustments that he needed to make after the pitchers adjusted to him. That's what separates the guys who are good enough to make if to MLB, from those that are good enough to stay

 

I don't know if I buy that. He still put up 1 WAR in a little over 1/2 season of PA in 2016. Maybe his leg injury was a lot more significant than thought.

[TheHurl]

Kelly and Gomber in the deal please. Obviously not as the main piece.

[FrozenRopes]

Alex, Tyler and Dakota

[GreekFatAss]

Alex, Tyler and Dakota

 

Gyrko + Weaver + Hudson I think would be my lowest offer I would take.

[Pendleton]

Not sure about Tommy, seems like a flash in the Pham to me.

 

I'm sorry.

 

Phamtastic pun

[John_Havok]

I don't know if I buy that. He still put up 1 WAR in a little over 1/2 season of PA in 2016. Maybe his leg injury was a lot more significant than thought.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/is-there-hope-for-brett-lawrie/

[FrozenRopes]

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/is-there-hope-for-brett-lawrie/

 

People still talk about Brett outside of the context of the worst trade in MLB history?

[Laika]

Brett Lawrie's year off is endlessly fascinating.

 

I assume that he just didn't want to play, the same way that some 14 year old might get sick of rep sports and quit randomly.

 

I legit think he just preferred to do nothing.

 

I wonder if he'll play next year.

 

Hope Toronto signs him. Neeja

[Abomination]

Brett Lawrie's year off is endlessly fascinating.

 

I assume that he just didn't want to play, the same way that some 14 year old might get sick of rep sports and quit randomly.

 

I legit think he just preferred to do nothing.

 

I wonder if he'll play next year.

 

Hope Toronto signs him. Neeja

 

Yeah, it is interesting. I took a peek at his Twitter feed though (always dangerous to do), and there's hints that he's still rehabbing. Whatever the injury was, I think it may have been a lot more serious than assumed.

[Laika]

Yeah, it is interesting. I took a peek at his Twitter feed though (always dangerous to do), and there's hints that he's still rehabbing. Whatever the injury was, I think it may have been a lot more serious than assumed.

 

If you check out his Instagram, he was doing box jumps and s*** months ago. He could have been playing baseball all year... maybe it's a mental health thing actually.

[BlueJayWay]

[L54]

Then sign an extension and don't test free agency

[BlueJayWay]

[P2F]

That's awesome to hear. I wonder if he'd be willing to sign a team-friendly extension to stay. 4 years/$100M would be perfect, and would keep him with the team through his age 36 season.

[mtljaysfan]

It's obvious JD wants to play with Vladitto lol

[jaysblue]

That's awesome to hear. I wonder if he'd be willing to sign a team-friendly extension to stay. 4 years/$100M would be perfect, and would keep him with the team through his age 36 season.

 

4 years/$120M would likely get it done. Probably would have to go with a higher AAV on a shorter term deal.

[Captain Adama]

4 years/$120M would likely get it done. Probably would have to go with a higher AAV on a shorter term deal.

 

If that actually gets it done I would be ecstatic.

[Cbert]

4 years/$120M would likely get it done. Probably would have to go with a higher AAV on a shorter term deal.

 

I'd love to see something around 5/125 that kicks in for 2018. I'm sure he wants more and someone may be willing to do it, but I think it's a fair deal for both sides if he actually wants to stay.

[Krylian]

Step 1. Don't trade him in offseason

 

Step 2. Insult him with lowball offer

 

Step 3. Be a bubble team at the deadline, don't trade him

 

Step 4. Miss playoffs.

 

Step 5. Lose him for a draft pick

[metafour]

4 years/$120M would likely get it done. Probably would have to go with a higher AAV on a shorter term deal.

 

Why would that get it done? Yoenis Cespedes, a vastly inferior player, just signed for 4 years $110 million a year ago.

 

Donaldson isn't signing for a discount. Please don't get David Price'd here (remember that? "Oh I totally wanna stay with the Jays!!").

[Rusty_Savage]

If you can't sign him this offseason I would explore trading him. Without knowing much about the cards farm would Gyorko, Bader, Flaherty, and Alcantara be sufficient?

[glory]

Step 1. Don't trade him in offseason

 

Step 2. Insult him with lowball offer

 

Step 3. Be a bubble team at the deadline, don't trade him

 

Step 4. Miss playoffs.

 

Step 5. Lose him for a draft pick

 

Yep.

 

Either sign him to an extension or trade him. Shapiro is too smart for this, he just has to convince Rogers.

[burlingtonbandit]

That's awesome to hear. I wonder if he'd be willing to sign a team-friendly extension to stay. 4 years/$100M would be perfect, and would keep him with the team through his age 36 season.

 

Assuming you mean 4/100 plus his next year of Arb. Even then you're going to have to give him more per year to appease the union.

[jaysblue]

Why would that get it done? Yoenis Cespedes, a vastly inferior player, just signed for 4 years $110 million a year ago.

 

Donaldson isn't signing for a discount. Please don't get David Price'd here (remember that? "Oh I totally wanna stay with the Jays!!").

 

Cespedes was 2 years younger when he signed that deal. Donaldson will be 33 come 2019. Donaldson is a better player yes, though I don't think many teams will be lining up with 7 year deals on the table. All I was suggesting was on a short term deal, you likely have to go higher on the AAV. Someone suggested 4/100M and I said it likely has to be 4/120M to even start the discussion. Likely JD will be $30M per season I think, nothing lower especially on only a 4 or 5 year deal.

 

I'd probably do a 5 years/$150M extension starting in 2018.