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Looks like Donaldson has a girl in his life now.

 

Be prepared for the .250/.320/.450 slash line after this distraction

 

He'll go through three more before ST

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Shouldn't really surprise anyone. Weren't getting a deal for Cutch done with Urena, Harris and SRF.
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Is there more to this? Does "begin" mean that's what Pittsburgh asked before Shatkins hung up or is that where legitimate negotiations are starting?

 

I imagine talks stalled pretty quickly after that. I don't think Shapiro is actively trying to get a deal done for him.

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Is there more to this? Does "begin" mean that's what Pittsburgh asked before Shatkins hung up or is that where legitimate negotiations are starting?

 

I doubt negotiations are starting. I like McCutchen and if this was 2016 and the Jays were still riding those excellent Bautista and EE deals, I'd say go for it but sadly I don't think it makes sense now. Tulo and Martin will be a year further from their primes and the Red Sox stars will be deeper into theirs. Relatively smaller signings like Pearse and Morales and crossing your fingers makes a hell of a lot more sense for this team right now than going all Marlins/Dickey trade AA mode to try to prop open a window that may have already closed. The later cold haunt the team for years. If the team performs better than expected, you can always make a win now move at the deadline but it's way too risky right now. Obviously prospects never are sure thing and you never know which ones you'll regret trading but Vlad looks pretty excellent right now. It's not that hard to imagine him being to Atkins what Syndergaard was to AA.

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I really believe the Jays are fully waiting out Bautista at this point and will only sign him when they are 100% certain they aren't getting a comp pick for him in return and presumably still have the hole to fill. Maybe that's Feb. 1st or something but I'd reckon they have a timeline in mind. Honestly, if he waits it out until June I'll be disappointed that we didn't sign him. This talk about trading for Cutch as a bounceback candidate seems so redundant when we have Bautista available to us.
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Interpretation is a skill...

 

You're reaching... Blair's own ideas can be dumb as f*** but I'm pretty sure he's capable of relaying a rumor.

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I really believe the Jays are fully waiting out Bautista at this point and will only sign him when they are 100% certain they aren't getting a comp pick for him in return and presumably still have the hole to fill. Maybe that's Feb. 1st or something but I'd reckon they have a timeline in mind. Honestly, if he waits it out until June I'll be disappointed that we didn't sign him. This talk about trading for Cutch as a bounceback candidate seems so redundant when we have Bautista available to us.

 

If that's the case, shouldn't they insure themselves a bit against the possibility of Bautista going elsewhere? Angel Pagan is nobody's idea of a big signing but he can actually play the OF unlike Bautista these days. Pagan's a fit and he's just sitting there. Is it worth it to lift your nose at him just to wait out the possibility of signing Bautista?

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Andy Burns signs in the KBO freeing a spot on the 40 man roster and leaving is slightly less depthy on utility players.

 

 

I don't think the hit on infield depth is all that significant. He's not that good and the Jays some good backups in place and some good depth through the system and with Pearse they have a guy who can shift between the OF and IF if needed and that really helps lengthen the bench.

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I don't think the hit on infield depth is all that significant. He's not that good and the Jays some good backups in place and some good depth through the system and with Pearse they have a guy who can shift between the OF and IF if needed and that really helps lengthen the bench.

 

Yeah he was pathetic in AAA last year. I don't even think he's replacement level.

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You're reaching... Blair's own ideas can be dumb as f*** but I'm pretty sure he's capable of relaying a rumor.

 

Possibly. Let me hate on Blair in peace please.

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You wouldn't trade Vlad for Cutch?

 

It's fine in a vacuum but do you really want to trade a guy with Vlad's upside at this juncture? I think that's more likely to set the franchise back than pay off.

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Stangstag

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You wouldn't trade Vlad for Cutch?

 

I wouldn't. I'd rather sign one of the FA outfield options, or trade for a salary dump

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You wouldn't trade Vlad for Cutch?

 

Depends on what the goal is? If the goal is, field a competitive team in 2017 and be damned with the future, then I guess they would. But if they're looking to rebuild the core and have some young, controllable talent on the horizon, then no...you have to keep Junior and wait it out.

 

For me, I keep him. I'd like to see a young core (Cubs) get built, and then augment that with veteran talent. I've been saying it for more than a decade. Built internally, then when you have a nice core established, bring in veteran leadership and talent to fill in some outstanding holes and round out the roster.

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I don't think the hit on infield depth is all that significant. He's not that good and the Jays some good backups in place and some good depth through the system and with Pearse they have a guy who can shift between the OF and IF if needed and that really helps lengthen the bench.

 

*Pearce*

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