EE thread

[Slade]

but, you kind of expect a DH to be a not so good baserunner, right ?

 

Have you seen Morales run the bases? It's worst than Benji Molina.

[Jonn]

If the final offer was 4 years and 80m I'm content as a fan and looking forward to moving on. That offer is more than fair.

[flafson]

Morales played in one of the worst park for power hitters in the league. EE played in one of the best. Smart move by the FO

 

Smart move only if it works out.

[BallsDeep]

$20 mill a season really does seem fair.

[admin]

Sign Beltran $14M.

[Governator]

Sign Beltran $14M.

 

 

I think Beltran is better suited as a DH at this point in his career. He only started in 67/151 games on the field last season and hasn't been a plus defender in years.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Sign Beltran $14M.

 

Thames before him and cheaper too no doubt.

 

Poor man's Carlos Delgado???

[fatcowxlive]

Great offer by the FO imo

[G-Snarls]

If the final offer was 4 years and 80m I'm content as a fan and looking forward to moving on. That offer is more than fair.

 

Agreed

 

And this is info you actually want leaked if you're in the FO

 

Fans will know you offered a fair deal and reasonable ones won't blame you if the player walks

[Maico450]

Agreed

 

And this is info you actually want leaked if you're in the FO

 

Fans will know you offered a fair deal and reasonable ones won't blame you if the player walks

 

Shi Davidi confirmed this offer in his Sportsnet broadcast. Seems like the Jays made the effort.

[LGBJ29]

Agreed

 

And this is info you actually want leaked if you're in the FO

 

Fans will know you offered a fair deal and reasonable ones won't blame you if the player walks

 

the sad thing is, there are still so many casual idiots that will still say Rogers is too cheap

[Sammy225]

the sad thing is, there are still so many casual idiots that will still say Rogers is too cheap

 

Thats why i go on Sportsnet website and read the comment section and make myself feel smarter.... Apparently if we don't back a brinks truck up to EE it is a fail.....

[admin]

I think Beltran is better suited as a DH at this point in his career. He only started in 67/151 games on the field last season and hasn't been a plus defender in years.

 

That's what I meant. I'm sure he could handle 1B too.

[GD]

Most users here prefer to reference wRC+ when we talk about offensive production, it takes park factors into account. Any way you slice it, EE is a much better hitter and baserunner than Morales. The latter is especially being overlooked, Morales is one of the worst baserunners in the entire league.

 

Sure but it doesn't take batted ball profile into account. Is Coors more beneficial to Kevin Pillar or Mark Reynolds's adjusted stats? Does Safeco hurt Adeiny Hechavarria more than it does Evan Gattis? Kauf is, on average, a difficult park to score runs in, but the dimensions make it even worse for a FB hitter. It's really not that big an adjustment, but consider that Morales' projected wRC+ went up to 112 when he signed up.

[burlingtonbandit]

Sure but it doesn't take batted ball profile into account. Is Coors more beneficial to Kevin Pillar or Mark Reynolds's adjusted stats? Does Safeco hurt Adeiny Hechavarria more than it does Evan Gattis? Kauf is, on average, a difficult park to score runs in, but the dimensions make it even worse for a FB hitter. It's really not that big an adjustment, but consider that Morales' projected wRC+ went up to 112 when he signed up.

 

Morales isn't really a FB hitter though. 76th out 146 so he's even below the median. And with Donaldson presumably hitting in front of him, he's going to hit into a lot of DPs.

[John_Havok]

Have you seen Morales run the bases? It's worst than Benji Molina.

 

I don't think what he does on the bases can be called running

[Stangstag]

I don't think what he does on the bases can be called running

 

Can't be worse than Ortiz

[GD]

Morales isn't really a FB hitter though. 76th out 146 so he's even below the median. And with Donaldson presumably hitting in front of him, he's going to hit into a lot of DPs.

 

He was in the 92nd percentile of batted ball distance.

[BTS]

Morales isn't really a FB hitter though. 76th out 146 so he's even below the median. And with Donaldson presumably hitting in front of him, he's going to hit into a lot of DPs.

 

I'm not sure why you're arguing with GD. His Steamer wRC+ projection went from 109 to 112 after the signing.

[ensco]

Why is everyone so convinced that 4/80 is "fair", in a world where when Pablo Sandoval got 5/95, and Cespedes got 3/75 with an opt out.

 

He has averaged almost 40 HRs a year for 5 years. Even with the inevitable falloff as he ages, seems to me EE could get 5/125, if he gets an auction going. 6/150 is not out of the question.

[BTS]

Why is everyone so convinced that 4/80 is "fair", in a world where when Pablo Sandoval got 5/95, and Cespedes got 3/75 with an opt out.

 

He has averaged almost 40 HRs a year for 5 years. Even with the inevitable falloff as he ages, seems to me EE could get 5/125, if he gets an auction going. 6/150 is not out of the question.

 

Sandoval was entering his age-28 season. Cespedes was entering his age-30 season. Edwin is entering his age-34 season.

[Jimcanuck]

And Sandoval and Cespedes both play a higher value position reasonably well, at time of signing anyway......

[Dr. Dinger]

I'm gonna throw out a total shot in the dark and say the A's sign Encarnacion.

[BTS]

I'm gonna throw out a total shot in the dark and say the A's sign Encarnacion.

 

I'd love to see that. Oakland making a move designed to help them win baseball games in an upcoming season is pretty rare.

[Dr. Dinger]

I'd love to see that. Oakland making a move designed to help them win baseball games in an upcoming season is pretty rare.

 

They have less than $40M committed on the books this year after spending $86M last year. You could probably bump that up to $88-90M. They have a lot of money to spend and they're wide open at 1B/DH.

 

[intentional wok]

Wow. Ryan Madson, John Axford, and Jed Lowrie are their highest paid guys.

[Brownie19]

Why is everyone so convinced that 4/80 is "fair", in a world where when Pablo Sandoval got 5/95, and Cespedes got 3/75 with an opt out.

He has averaged almost 40 HRs a year for 5 years. Even with the inevitable falloff as he ages, seems to me EE could get 5/125, if he gets an auction going. 6/150 is not out of the question.

 

Pablo - yes. Terrible signing from the get go, but as BTS points out, he was only 28, still playing solid defense at 3rd base and the reigning WS MVP (not that it should have mattered).

 

But Cespedes isn't a good example to use. He was a beast, coming off a 6.7 WAR season, providing excellent defense in the OF. He was significantly younger and more valuable than EE is right now. It was pretty remarkable that he didn't get a $125 - $150M deal last year, considering Chris Davis did......there - Chris Davis should be the example you use - although he's younger and his peaks have been much better than EE's (so don't bother).

[burlingtonbandit]

They have less than $40M committed on the books this year after spending $86M last year. You could probably bump that up to $88-90M. They have a lot of money to spend and they're wide open at 1B/DH.

 

 

Why would they do that? They're in the middle of a rebuild. If I'm them I'm using that money towards player development where your ROI is wayy higher. Or take on a bad contract for a comp. balance pick/prosect.

 

If an international draft gets put in for next year you actually want to lose more too. Huge advantage to having the top few picks.

[Jimcanuck]

ya, hard to see EE going anywhere but to a team built to win now

 

still a sizable chance he is back in TO

[Slade]

His agent was pretty clear that he wants to go to a contender.