Jays Acquire Harold Ramirez, Reese McGuire, Francisco Liriano for Hutch

[Jimcanuck]

That's a pretty useless comparison.

 

Yes. McGuire could end up being nothing.

 

I laugh at the posts saying Jays are set at the catching position after Martin.

[G-Snarls]

martin will help him...plus prospects...

 

ps i like hutch and he might turn it around in Pitts

 

They fixed Happ for us

 

We could do the same with Hutch. JS....

[Sorrow]

Thole had a significant skill change / decline. When he came into the league he actually hit for AVG and had real OBP skills - he was basically a viable starting catcher and league average talent.

 

Not sure what happened to him. Maybe once he started catching the knuckleball it f***ed him up completely.

 

He's been bad since that concussion he had in 2011 I think it was.

[vilifyingforce]

I was referring to his batting profile from when he was that age. Obviously I know he's garbage now.

[Stangstag]

I think he meant the only way Sanchez would pitch game 7 of the World Series is if he's in the pen because he wouldn't be able to throw the 240 IP necessary to be starting that game.

 

Not that he would literally be saving him for game 7 as a starter.

 

Oh... Yeah maybe I misunderstood.

[Jonzo]

Atkins is talking about moving Sanchez to the pen very soon, and then possibly having him start again when the playoffs roll around.

 

No he's not. I don't know how you came up with that. Sid Seixero misunderstood him and was corrected immediately.

[gruber92]

Atkins is talking about moving Sanchez to the pen very soon, and then possibly having him start again when the playoffs roll around.

 

I'm not sure that will work out well. Pitchers need routine, especially SP.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Yes. McGuire could end up being nothing.

 

I laugh at the posts saying Jays are set at the catching position after Martin.

 

True. He could end up being nothing.

 

But I'd rather have him than someone who's s***.

[TheHurl]

IIRC you were the biggest Hutch fanboy.

 

that would likely be me.

[TheHurl]

I really want to see Hutch succeed, so hopefully Searge can spin his magic on him. Even if he's successful, there is nothing but love coming from me about this deal. JJ Cooper said it best, dump Liriano tomorrow and I still like this deal.

[Grant77]

I really want to see Hutch succeed, so hopefully Searge can spin his magic on him. Even if he's successful, there is nothing but love coming from me about this deal. JJ Cooper said it best, dump Liriano tomorrow and I still like this deal.

 

I'm very confident that Hutch will find success in Pittsburgh. They were obviously extremely convinced of that as well.

[Seanie]

Hutch ERA in Pitts? 3.65

[admin]

Hutch will succeed.

[admin]

I really hope all the stupid bandwagon retards who hated Shapiro before ever giving him a chance actually realize how f***ing stupid they are. This was an amazing deadline.

 

You guys were all over AA's balls when he made minor moves like this when he was first GM as well.

[John_Havok]

You guys were all over AA's balls when he made minor moves like this when he was first GM as well.

 

Some differences on where the team was at the time. One was rebuilding and grabbing all kinds of youth was a definite positive.

 

This team is in the thick of contention, and still the GM manages to acquire prospects and arguably improve the current roster (not by alot mind you). It's a pretty ninja move that I would liken to when AA picked up Olivo and all those Type B pen arms, just to offer an arbitration deal and take extra picks.

 

Simplistically, Atkins just bought two prospects for 17 million dollars less any actual value that Liriano provides between now and the end of next year.

[sdyment]

FWIW mlb.com has updated the Jays' top 30 and McGuire and Ramirez are #4 & #5.

[Grant77]

Some differences on where the team was at the time. One was rebuilding and grabbing all kinds of youth was a definite positive.

 

This team is in the thick of contention, and still the GM manages to acquire prospects and arguably improve the current roster (not by alot mind you). It's a pretty ninja move that I would liken to when AA picked up Olivo and all those Type B pen arms, just to offer an arbitration deal and take extra picks.

 

Simplistically, Atkins just bought two prospects for 17 million dollars less any actual value that Liriano provides between now and the end of next year.

 

I wouldn't be so quick to discount the chance that Hutch provides a lot of value to Pittsburgh. I like the gamble, but we we are a long way away from seeing who wins this.

[John_Havok]

I wouldn't be so quick to discount the chance that Hutch provides a lot of value to Pittsburgh. I like the gamble, but we we are a long way away from seeing who wins this.

 

Very true. I wasn't trying to suggest a winner of the trade, more so that the deal realy just amounts to a purchase of prospects for a bad contract and a depth SP.

 

If Hutch works out for the Pirates, then its likely a win/win

[admin]

Some differences on where the team was at the time. One was rebuilding and grabbing all kinds of youth was a definite positive.

 

This team is in the thick of contention, and still the GM manages to acquire prospects and arguably improve the current roster (not by alot mind you). It's a pretty ninja move that I would liken to when AA picked up Olivo and all those Type B pen arms, just to offer an arbitration deal and take extra picks.

 

Simplistically, Atkins just bought two prospects for 17 million dollars less any actual value that Liriano provides between now and the end of next year.

 

And got rid of Hutch. We're in contention and all we've done all year is acquire guy on terrible years. No realy upgrade to this roster for the playoffs. This team, probably the best team we will have, assuming Jose and/or EE leave. And everyone says "Amazing". Morales luckily didn't stick around too long, but partially cost us a game in his one appearance. I'm a Liriano fan but he's been terrible. If we were a middle of the pack team, sure it would be nice to give him a chance. But we're a contending team, not a team looking for gems as we race for first place. How big of a leash do you give him? How big of a leash do you give Feldman? How many games do you let them blow before you say 'Okay, maybe our magic touch won't work on them?'

 

$17M for two okay prospects. I'd rather put that towards international prospects who could be elite.

[Grant77]

Very true. I wasn't trying to suggest a winner of the trade, more so that the deal realy just amounts to a purchase of prospects for a bad contract and a depth SP.

 

If Hutch works out for the Pirates, then its likely a win/win

 

I agree with all of that.

[Laika]

$17M for two okay prospects. I'd rather put that towards international prospects who could be elite.

 

???

 

How little do you think Liriano would get if he was a free agent right now?

 

The guy has like 9 WAR in the last three years and he's lost none of his stuff.

[Governator]

"Blue Jay's need a run"

 

Thanks for the insight Pat

[admin]

???

 

How little do you think Liriano would get if he was a free agent right now?

 

The guy has like 9 WAR in the last three years and he's lost none of his stuff.

 

Ignoring the rest of what I said. It's still a gamble. If he's terrible how many bad starts do you give him before you go elsewhere?

[Governator]

We've struck out 18 times. Lmao

[King]

"Blue Jay's need a run"

 

Thanks for the insight Pat

 

We've struck out 18 times. Lmao

 

Specific threads do not apply to the Governator.

[Grant77]

And got rid of Hutch. We're in contention and all we've done all year is acquire guy on terrible years. No realy upgrade to this roster for the playoffs. This team, probably the best team we will have, assuming Jose and/or EE leave. And everyone says "Amazing". Morales luckily didn't stick around too long, but partially cost us a game in his one appearance. I'm a Liriano fan but he's been terrible. If we were a middle of the pack team, sure it would be nice to give him a chance. But we're a contending team, not a team looking for gems as we race for first place. How big of a leash do you give him? How big of a leash do you give Feldman? How many games do you let them blow before you say 'Okay, maybe our magic touch won't work on them?'

 

$17M for two okay prospects. I'd rather put that towards international prospects who could be elite.

 

I don't understand this post. Upton and Feldman are both having good years and are clear upgrades. Benoit's ERA isn't pretty, but he's looked real good with us. I'd honestly prefer him to a smoke and mirrors guy with a good ERA like Fernando Abad.

 

I'm not convinced that Liriano is the answer either, but the F.O. sure is. Let's give him a chance, he's probably better than the guys he is replacing (Tepera etc.).

[Governator]

Specific threads do not apply to the Governator.

 

Haha oops.

[admin]

I don't understand this post. Upton and Feldman are both having good years and are clear upgrades. Benoit's ERA isn't pretty, but he's looked real good with us. I'd honestly prefer him to a smoke and mirrors guy with a good ERA like Fernando Abad.

 

I'm not convinced that Liriano is the answer either, but the F.O. sure is. Let's give him a chance, he's probably better than the guys he is replacing (Tepera etc.).

 

Feldman's 4.22 FIP. Benoit has looked good, but he's the same as the rest, guys having poor years hoping they can turn them around. Some will work out, some won't. How many games do they blow before you decide one didn't work out?

[Laika]

Ignoring the rest of what I said.

 

I didn't ignore anything. It was simply vapid and boring, and warranted no response.

[GD]

Feldman's 4.22 FIP.

 

3.5 xFIP as RP