Jays Acquire Harold Ramirez, Reese McGuire, Francisco Liriano for Hutch

[West Texas Forever]

On an average night at the dome Rogers makes between $5 - $6 million on ticket sales, merch, food, drinks... not including TV revenue.

[nmrch]

2nd prospect is Reese McGuire

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa737505&position=C

[sdyment]

SO/BB pretty impressive, but...

[fatcowxlive]

I think the guys in the front office knows more about where next year's budget is than you and I do.

 

They do

 

[nmrch]

Reese McGuire was ranked 49th overall in a purely stats based ranking

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/an-improved-katoh-top-100-list/

[King]

Sweet Reese McGuire. He is definitely not a throw in

[canadiansportsjunkie]

That's pretty irrelevant if they don't increase team spending.

 

Make the playoffs again and not increase team spending would be a shocker...have to improve your team when possible to ensure the best chances to make the playoffs...do you see how that works?

[John_Havok]

I think someone said the Pirates haven't been able to reach him yet, and they want to be the ones to notify him rather than him hearing it on social media. Probably is more filler than sexy though.

 

Kevin Newman would be nice but that's probably wishful thinking

 

Edit...

 

 

Wtf... Reese McGuire? This is amazing

[jaysguy44]

 

Arden Zwelling Verified account

‏@ArdenZwelling

Blue Jays confirm they've acquired Francisco Liriano, catcher Reese McGuire & outfielder Harold Ramirez from the Pirates for Drew Hutchison.

McGuire any good?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Liriano is throwing 41% of his pitches for balls. That's not great, thank god he still has his stuff and guys swing out of the zone at them.

 

Hutch is usually good for a bomb a game, so we know he's throwing strikes.

[West Texas Forever]

Sweet Reese McGuire. He is definitely not a throw in

 

I am tickled pink with this.

[West Texas Forever]

McGuire any good?

 

1st round draft pick good, waiting in the wings for when Martin is out of a Jays uniform.

[nmrch]

don't know anything about them other than my impressions based on stats but McGuire seems like a more valuable prospect than Ramirez. He's 6 months younger, plays the most premium position and is only a modest improvement in power away from being a good player because everything else looks solid

[vilifyingforce]

On an average night at the dome Rogers makes between $5 - $6 million on ticket sales, merch, food, drinks... not including TV revenue.

 

Well, the Dome takes IN that money. Jays don't keep it all.

[fatcowxlive]

Reese McGuire makes this a rape.

 

This is how you f***ing build for now and the future. My goodness this is more balanced and calculated of a deadline than last year where we were just splashing

[West Texas Forever]

Well, the Dome takes IN that money. Jays don't keep it all.

 

Rogers owns the building outright so it goes back to Rogers.

[vilifyingforce]

Make the playoffs again and not increase team spending would be a shocker...have to improve your team when possible to ensure the best chances to make the playoffs...do you see how that works?

 

Thanks boss, the whole world makes more sense now.

[Jonn]

Nice to have a legit catching prospect in the organization again. Pirates really wanted to dump Liriano. So this trade for the Jays is really about the prospects and if we can get anything out of Liriano lovely.

[vilifyingforce]

Rogers owns the building outright so it goes back to Rogers.

 

They sure do. First MLB takes their cut of merch splitting and then they pay staff, middlemen and upkeep. The rest goes back to the Rogers Corp which is publicly traded so a cut then goes to shareholders, then go pay taxes and then give a % to the Jays.

[nmrch]

Nice to have a legit catching prospect in the organization again. Pirates really wanted to dump Liriano. So this trade for the Jays is really about the prospects and if we can get anything out of Liriano lovely.

 

yup, its 2 decent prospects and a shot at Liriano turning it around at the expense of ~18 million in payroll(this year and next year combined) and Drew Hutchison

 

Looks like a good trade for us atleast

[vilifyingforce]

Nice to have a legit catching prospect in the organization again. Pirates really wanted to dump Liriano. So this trade for the Jays is really about the prospects and if we can get anything out of Liriano lovely.

 

If Liriano can get his s*** together this could be a huge trade for now and the future.

[RealAccountant]

Pirate fans are furious

[jerb]

 

JJ Cooper

‏@jjcoop36

Needless to say, I LOVE this deal for the Blue Jays. If they released Liriano tonight, I'd love it for them.

[John_Havok]

Scouting reports on the two picked up prospects from Dan Farnsworth of Fangraphs prior to 2016 season

 

Ramirez is a very unique hitter to watch at this stage of his career. His hit tool may already be above-average at the major-league level, but the way it works is awkward to see. To me, it looks like someone took one of the most athletic upper halves in baseball and plopped it on some sort of swiveling rocking chair. Not to downplay his overall athletic ability, since he does have plus raw speed and a (very?) outside chance at sticking in center field. Most likely he ends up a corner outfielder light on arm strength and power but with enough on-base ability to be a well above-average regular, hitting his way into a starting role.

 

As alluded to above, Ramirez’ legs and hands work on completely different wavelengths, making his raw power pretty untouchable and leaving him looking fooled on a lot of swings. The fun part is his hands and barrel awareness are so good that he can consistently dump balls in the outfield even when he has completely lost his balance over his legs.

 

In the video above, this manifests itself in a swing on which Ramirez appears to have been punched in the stomach by an invisible fist, hanging on for dear life to make contact, only to square it up and hit a sure single into left field. Major-league pitchers will be able to get him off balance more than he is now, but there’s a special place in the game for hitters with his ability to barrel the ball. Even if he is limited to left field defensively, his hit tool will carry him into a valued job in the big leagues.

 

Hit: 50/60+/70 Power: 30/35/40 Run: 55/50/55 Field: 50/50/50+ Throw: 45/45/45

Overall: 40/55/65

 

I was pleasantly surprised with the Reese McGuire that showed up in the Arizona Fall League; he finally showed some potential to use his plus bat speed to drive the ball with some authority instead of just making contact. It wasn’t just the numbers where he showed improvement either; his swing looked like it was meant to be doing some damage. He still has work to do on both his offense and defense, but the changes this fall were encouraging enough to project him closer to his offensive ceiling than I would have admitted at this time last year.

 

Prior to the fall, McGuire had the same bat speed and loose, athletic swing, but his swing plane was geared for low line drives and ground balls. To that end, he had delivered through the regular season last year, with few swings and misses but not much to show for it. His path in the fall looked good enough to tap into his above-average raw power given enough time to develop, making him a much more interesting prospect than the good-glove, questionable-hitting catcher he looked like before.

 

He has plus arm strength out of the crouch, but below-average footwork and transfers pull his current arm grade down to average. He gets great reviews for calling a game behind the plate, and present above-average receiving and average blocking ability give him plenty of skills to be a valuable backstop. Team sources swear by his receiving work as a whole, so I’m trusting their judgment by bumping his future grades up. With the emphasis the Pirates have placed on his defense, it’s reasonable to see future gains made in all his defensive tools, giving him upside as a true plus defender. His improved hitting forecast makes the total package look like an above-average regular at minimum.

 

Hit: 35/50/55 Power: 35/45/50+ Run: 45/40/45 Field: 55/60/60+ Throw: 50/55/60

Overall: 35/55-60/65

[West Texas Forever]

I bet against Liriano once in Vegas pretty big and he pitched a gem, f*** his streaky self.

[Terminator]

Reese McGuire and Harold Ramirez were the #3 and #5 ranked prospects for the Pirates this year according to Fangraphs.

[thatoneguy]

Goddamn that is fire.

[specialiste]

Hutchison for Liriano are they f***ed?

 

If they put Sanchez in the bullpen they are completely insane.

If they replace him in the rotation with Liriano, we won't make the post-season.

You read it here first.

[GD]

I hope the 2nd prospect is Nick Kingham. Just coming back from TJS could be a viable MLB starter as soon as next season.

 

But it will probably be someone lesser known.

 

I multi-quoted this so I could finish reading through the read and then say that I hope it's Reese McGuire coming back.

 

NO MORE DICKEY

 

NO MORE THOLE

 

WHEEEE

[RealAccountant]

This trade has me on a high right now. Can't believe how much value we are getting

 

Amazing!