It is time to let Brook Jacoby go

[John_Havok]

Yeah but even in low leverage situations and a runner on they find a way to inherit him. Also as far as I know inherited runs don't effect their personal statistics like FIP and those numbers are still bad..

 

You definitely have a point, but I think this is more of an issue of Gibby leaving starters out just a bit too long.

 

I agree, I've been saying that consistently for weeks. Let the pen start innings before the starters leave a mess that needs peferction to get out of and you might see them get some confidence back.

 

Part of it is their relievers too, just not enough swing and miss out there.

[Nafro]

He's not wrong.

 

Its actually the worst sentence I've ever read. My three year old seems to have already grasped grammar better than "Not 2lo".

 

I will never get back the time I've lost reading this. For the same reason Brook Jacoby did not get a promotion for last year's results, he should not be fired for this year.

 

This thread would have been the same as starting a "Should Brook Jacoby be named greatest hitting coach ever" thread last year.

[G-Snarls]

Buck said during the game that Martin has been working along with Jacoby recently and that Jacoby was happy with what he's seen the last few days

 

He of course only mentioned if after Martin had hit the first HR tonight

[L54]

Buck said during the game that Martin has been working along with Jacoby recently and that Jacoby was happy with what he's seen the last few days

 

He of course only mentioned if after Martin had hit the first HR tonight

 

He also made sure to mention that Martin's BP rounds looked much better today after he hit his first home run.

[2lowitzki]

Well... I may need to bump up this thread again because they couldn't cash in some runs in RISP last night..

I started this thread after the Jays lost to the Yanks 6-0 back in May 24. Since I posted that thread, the Jays went 9-4 (including 0-2 in this series)

Hoping they can cash in some fxxxin runs..

[RealAccountant]

The offense has underperformed massively

[Rusty_Savage]

Anyone who thinks that letting Jacoby go will magically solve this team's hitting woes does not understand the minimal impact a hitting coach has

[RealAccountant]

If a hitting coach has no impact then don't have one in the first place

[Jonn]

What about his trusty side kick Eric Owens?

[Krylian]

Well... I may need to bump up this thread again because they couldn't cash in some runs in RISP last night..

I started this thread after the Jays lost to the Yanks 6-0 back in May 24. Since I posted that thread, the Jays went 9-4 (including 0-2 in this series)

Hoping they can cash in some fxxxin runs..

 

Damn. I must've have missed Jocoby's at bats. Did he really look that bad at tre plate?

[RealAccountant]

Damn. I must've have missed Jocoby's at bats. Did he really look that bad at tre plate?

 

Yeah for a decade he was a horrible hitter

[BigCecil]

We can bitch about Gibby and this and that. There is aways come legit complaining, but 2 runs in 19 innings isn't getting the job done. This is a veteran team that has a track record of performance they aren't meeting yet. It's ugly. Back end arms are thriving against us. It's really disappointing but it isn't Jacoby's fault anymore than 2015 wasn't to his credit.

[glory]

Or maybe a lot of the guys struggling are in their early to mid 30's and we're going to see a drop off regardless.

 

Being an old team sucks. This is why.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Or maybe a lot of the guys struggling are in their early to mid 30's and we're going to see a drop off regardless.

 

Being an old team sucks. This is why.

 

Cause the pitchers gonna...

Pitch pitch pitch!!!

And

our batters gotta learn to...

Hit hit hit!!!

 

Shake it off, shake it off

 

Rinse and Repeat !!!! Lol

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Also time to ditch this batting order!!!

 

I wanna see mine!

 

Barney

Batz

Saunders

JD

SMOAK

EE

Pillar

Travis/ Tulo

Martin/ Thole

 

Shake it up, Shake it up!!!

 

Plus not like it could be any worse

But but the potential ???

[BigCecil]

Or maybe a lot of the guys struggling are in their early to mid 30's and we're going to see a drop off regardless.

 

Being an old team sucks. This is why.

 

Cmon.... HanRam, Pedroia and Papi are all "old" and are all hitting better a year older than last. I understand aging curves but I don't think in a few months JD, Martin, Tulo, Edwin and Jose all became geriatrics. Even younger players like Goins and Pillar are hitting worse than 2015. Saunders is a year older...has been through endless injuries...and is putting up the best wRC+ of his career.

 

I think this is freakish anomaly(like Papi's 200 wRC+) and it should turn around in a big way. If it doesn't it still freakish and we are f***ed and this will be the lost season of the Jays.

[CHRIS]

Just because Jacoby isn't hitting for these guys doesn't mean he can't be held accountable for his job performance. I can't claim to know exactly what a hitting coaches job is, but I imagine it is largely to discuss hitting approach and identify and correct bad habits that the hitters get into.

 

Here are some plausible scenarios with respect to Jacoby and the team's hitting:

- last year's success has caused him to take a more hands off approach resulting in less analysis of hitting approach

- last year's success has caused some hitters to expect the results to just "turn around", without possibly examining what the core issue are that have led to these struggles

 

Regardless of the talent level of the player, everybody is capable of developing bad habits, and/or capable of feeling the pressure of struggling and trying too hard, thus abandoning the optimal approach at the plate based on the scenario. I believe it is at these times that a hitting coach can prove their worth.

 

These are human beings playing in the grind of a 162 game schedule. For some to say that a batter's struggles is entirely on them, and that they can't benefit from a proper diagnosis from a competent hitting coach's set of eyes doesn't hold water with me.

 

Firing Jacoby may help this team, and it may not. But to dismiss the idea outright that it can't help because "he's not the one swinging the bat", is a really lazy argument.

[BigCecil]

Just because Jacoby isn't hitting for these guys doesn't mean he can't be held accountable for his job performance. I can't claim to know exactly what a hitting coaches job is, but I imagine it is largely to discuss hitting approach and identify and correct bad habits that the hitters get into.

 

Here are some plausible scenarios with respect to Jacoby and the team's hitting:

- last year's success has caused him to take a more hands off approach resulting in less analysis of hitting approach

- last year's success has caused some hitters to expect the results to just "turn around", without possibly examining what the core issue are that have led to these struggles

 

Regardless of the talent level of the player, everybody is capable of developing bad habits, and/or capable of feeling the pressure of struggling and trying too hard, thus abandoning the optimal approach at the plate based on the scenario. I believe it is at these times that a hitting coach can prove their worth.

 

These are human beings playing in the grind of a 162 game schedule. For some to say that a batter's struggles is entirely on them, and that they can't benefit from a proper diagnosis from a competent hitting coach's set of eyes doesn't hold water with me.

 

Firing Jacoby may help this team, and it may not. But to dismiss the idea outright that it can't help because "he's not the one swinging the bat", is a really lazy argument.

 

BoSox mgm would have canned him by now. Look at last year for them. That doesn't make it the right decision. Personally Id be willing to try anything at this point and if canning him would help...or have a chance to help...I'm ok with it. I just don't think its going to make much difference. The players are vets and need to figure it out.

[Governator]

BoSox mgm would have canned him by now. Look at last year for them. That doesn't make it the right decision. Personally Id be willing to try anything at this point and if canning him would help...or have a chance to help...I'm ok with it. I just don't think its going to make much difference. The players are vets and need to figure it out.

 

They need to play Cabrera's game tieing hit on repeat in the clubhouse all day and force everyone to watch how a real hitter goes with a pitch and knocks in runs when it matters most.

[CHRIS]

The players are vets and need to figure it out.

 

I think if we wait for the vets to figure it out, then I think we're going to be in trouble. Of course the bulk of their performance at the plate is due to their talent level, but we're approaching mid-June. I think if it was simply a matter of things clicking, or hitters getting timing down, it would have happened by now.

 

I'm not smart enough to know what the problem is. Something is different though, whether the team is being pitched to differently (in response to last season's success), or whether overconfidence has caused hitters to prepare in a different manner, I really don't know. Could a different hitting coach help make the adjustments that haven't been yet to date? I certainly think it's worth considering.

[2lowitzki]

I know the Mariners batters became great after Edgar Martinez took over last year.

[thatoneguy]

I know the Mariners batters became great after Edgar Martinez took over last year.

 

I can't possibly see how him giving tips on hitting could hurt. The guy was just lethal in that batter's box.

[Krylian]

Quick. It's time to let Brooks Jacoby go.

[Grant77]

Quick. It's time to let Brooks Jacoby go.

 

Better bring in Bobby Tallet for pitching coach while we're at it.

[RealAccountant]

Poor Tallet

 

CITO ran him into the ground

[Krylian]

Better bring in Bobby Tallet for pitching coach while we're at it.

 

Brian's brother?

[Grant77]

Brian's brother?

 

I think that's Bruce....or Barry maybe.

[GD]

Brian's brother?

 

Bruce Tallet, the guy who played for the Jays from 06-10 and in 12

[Jonn]

Eric Owens started getting him his coffee on time and that's when things started to turn around.

[Atothe]

Eric Owens started getting him his coffee on time and that's when things started to turn around.

 

Nice lol