Does the StroShow blow?

[Cyborg]

You want a number, here's a number.

 

4.21 SwStr%.

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php?month=7&day=15&year=2016&game=gid_2016_07_15_tormlb_oakmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=573186&prevGame=gid_2016_07_15_tormlb_oakmlb_1%2F&prevDate=715&league=mlb

Yeah not great. Swing rate was low in general though. Only swung at a third of his fastballs.

[THANOS]

Yeah not great. Swing rate was low in general though. Only swung at a third of his fastballs.

 

Reflective in his poor command tonight. I didn't check tonight's pitch mix in comparison to the last 2 starts, but he was at 54% 2SM tonight and 74% FB overall.

[Daniel Labude]

Rusty from the vacation and bad defense along with a few hanging pitches hurt him tonight. Not nearly as bad as it looked.

[Spanky99]

Rusty from the vacation and bad defense along with a few hanging pitches hurt him tonight. Not nearly as bad as it looked.

 

He seemed to be getting hit hard, by the eye test.

[Boxcar]

3.12 xFIP tonight. You know better than this.

 

Black and white

[AdamLindsMom]

I'd love nothing more than to kick him in the face every time he swears into his glove like a 14 year old.

[Spanky99]

I'd love nothing more than to kick him in the face every time he swears into his glove like a 14 year old.

 

There's a s*** ton of pitchers, that do this. *just saying*

[Maahfaace]

I'd love nothing more than to kick him in the face every time he swears into his glove like a 14 year old.

 

I'll take the swearing in the glove over dickeys sourpuss long face any day.

[intentional wok]

Rusty from the vacation and bad defense along with a few hanging pitches hurt him tonight. Not nearly as bad as it looked.

 

How is rust separate from being bad? Maybe if you're trying not to read too much into one start, but this is like saying I'm not slow because I just woke up.

 

It's also that he had several two-strike counts and most of the real damage was done because he nothing he threw in the situations looked like it had any chance of legitimately getting by a major league hitter. It became pretty obvious early on during one sequence in which Martin framed the hell out of a second strike and Stroman immediately came back with a hit-me pitch. His secondary stuff wasn't working and even he knew it. He also benefited from getting two quick outs a few times, so his innings weren't long and stressful (just short and sloppy). Not to mention some very favourable K calls.

[BlueJayWay]

Reflective in his poor command tonight. I didn't check tonight's pitch mix in comparison to the last 2 starts, but he was at 54% 2SM tonight and 74% FB overall.

well, there's this

 

[Jimcanuck]

3.12 xFIP tonight. You know better than this.

 

When you allow 10 baserunners in 4.2 innings, you get more opportunities to K. The xFIP calculation does not take opportunity into account.

 

xFIP is nowhere near perfect, man.

[Cyborg]

When you allow 10 baserunners in 4.2 innings, you get more opportunities to K. The xFIP calculation does not take opportunity into account.

 

xFIP is nowhere near perfect, man.

 

I agree. Its nowhere near perfect. Its much better than ERA or hits or WHIP or FIP or HR though.

[GD]

When you allow 10 baserunners in 4.2 innings, you get more opportunities to K. The xFIP calculation does not take opportunity into account.

 

xFIP is nowhere near perfect, man.

 

Yup this is why SIERA is better. Uses percentages.

[nextyear]

How is rust separate from being bad? Maybe if you're trying not to read too much into one start, but this is like saying I'm not slow because I just woke up.

 

It's also that he had several two-strike counts and most of the real damage was done because he nothing he threw in the situations looked like it had any chance of legitimately getting by a major league hitter. It became pretty obvious early on during one sequence in which Martin framed the hell out of a second strike and Stroman immediately came back with a hit-me pitch. His secondary stuff wasn't working and even he knew it. He also benefited from getting two quick outs a few times, so his innings weren't long and stressful (just short and sloppy). Not to mention some very favourable K calls.

 

Thank you for giving a good description of his performance without using xFIP or SIERA.

[FrozenRopes]

The eye test stat said he was brutal and got a lot of help from the umpire and moved away from the routine that was better the last few starts.

[FrozenRopes]

How is rust separate from being bad? Maybe if you're trying not to read too much into one start, but this is like saying I'm not slow because I just woke up.

 

It's also that he had several two-strike counts and most of the real damage was done because he nothing he threw in the situations looked like it had any chance of legitimately getting by a major league hitter. It became pretty obvious early on during one sequence in which Martin framed the hell out of a second strike and Stroman immediately came back with a hit-me pitch. His secondary stuff wasn't working and even he knew it. He also benefited from getting two quick outs a few times, so his innings weren't long and stressful (just short and sloppy). Not to mention some very favourable K calls.

 

We have a winner...

[Krylian]

There's a s*** ton of pitchers, that do this. *just saying*

 

Don't be a bitch about it. Pitch better... Then you don't have to be a ****.

[Boxcar]

well, there's this

 

 

Lol of course.

[Krylian]

So why did he abandon the corrections? Stubborn prick thinks he knows best?

[fatcowxlive]

Well I was looking at his pitch usage from yesterday and I'm confused

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsd.aspx?playerid=13431&position=P&type=6&gds=&gde=&season=2016

 

Can someone help me make sense of this? His pitch selection was bad because it was exclusively fastball 73% and slider 21%, compared to his last 2 starts where he employed more sliders, more cutters and more curve (at least vs. Cleveland). However his pitch selection was pretty good vs. CWS and BAL and he gave up lots of runs. Anyone know a site I can see 2 strike usage?

[Boxcar]

So why did he abandon the corrections? Stubborn prick thinks he knows best?

 

Seems to be the case. If he's struggling in an honest fashion, it's fine but the fact that he keeps trying to make this pitch mix work is just infuriating. He just comes off as a cocky little prick tbh.

[Stangstag]

Seems to be the case. If he's struggling in an honest fashion, it's fine but the fact that he keeps trying to make this pitch mix work is just infuriating. He just comes off as a cocky little prick tbh.

 

Best way to give him an ego check would be to send him back to AAA (like Pillar a couple years ago)

[nextyear]

I PVR'ed the game and watched it in fast motion so I didn't pay close attention to how Stroman was pitching; did he abandon some of his pitches because he didn't have control or the required movement on some of his pitches? Or did he just decide to go with a different game plan, if so, then isn't most of the pitch selection decided by Russel Martin and the coaching staff?

[Boxcar]

I PVR'ed the game and watched it in fast motion so I didn't pay close attention to how Stroman was pitching; did he abandon some of his pitches because he didn't have control or the required movement on some of his pitches? Or did he just decide to go with a different game plan, if so then isn't some of that decided by Russel Martin and the coaching staff?

 

He didn't really seem to have control of even the pitch he decided to go with most frequently:

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/location.php-pitchSel=573186&game=gid_2016_07_15_tormlb_oakmlb_1&batterX=&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=2&league=mlb&pnf=&zlpo=&cache=1.gif

[Daniel Labude]

How is rust separate from being bad? Maybe if you're trying not to read too much into one start, but this is like saying I'm not slow because I just woke up.

 

It's also that he had several two-strike counts and most of the real damage was done because he nothing he threw in the situations looked like it had any chance of legitimately getting by a major league hitter. It became pretty obvious early on during one sequence in which Martin framed the hell out of a second strike and Stroman immediately came back with a hit-me pitch. His secondary stuff wasn't working and even he knew it. He also benefited from getting two quick outs a few times, so his innings weren't long and stressful (just short and sloppy). Not to mention some very favourable K calls.

 

Stroman wasn't good but he wasn't terrible either. His mechanics were off caused the 2 seam to be wild and the slider to be useless most of the night. But don't forget he pitched well enough to win the game. Hard hit gbdp right at Travis should have ended the 1st with 0 runs scoring but a bad bounce off Travis' shoulder leads to 1 run and another on a groundout. Martin's passed ball on a pitch over the middle of the plate moved a guy to 2nd who scored on a slow ground ball up the middle and the next batter got out so another run that shouldn't have scored. Carrera makes a horrible read on a routine flyball that 9/10 RFs catch and the ball just falls in, in front of Carrera (let's hope he never saw it cause if that was his read it was just beyond terrible). I think that runner scored on a homerun the next batter, so he should never had scored. That's 4 runs directly related to terrible defense or a horrible hop/luck. This is a team game and the team played horrible overall.

 

The 3 homeruns were bad but the first was just a horrible pitch selection. When the announcers are saying before the pitch....don't throw the breaking ball and then he does, someone screwed up that call (probably was Stroman), but it could have been avoided. The other 2 homeruns were just bad pitches.

 

Overall, Stroman wasn't good but he pitched ok enough for us to win easily. Throw in the fact that he just took a 4 day vacation and didn't pitch during that time (most likely), I would say rust in terms of mechanics is the major problem Stroman had last night and should improve going forward.

[Daniel Labude]

So why did he abandon the corrections? Stubborn prick thinks he knows best?

 

His mechanics were clearly off causing his fastballs to be wild so he was behind a lot of counts and couldn't us the slider, then when he used the slider they went everywhere, short, high, over the plate, 45 feet...just had no control of anything really

[THANOS]

Seems to be the case. If he's struggling in an honest fashion, it's fine but the fact that he keeps trying to make this pitch mix work is just infuriating. He just comes off as a cocky little prick tbh.

 

Probably. I wouldn't be surprised if he thought, "It's the A's, I shouldn't have to change my style to beat them".

 

Apparently the 2SM he used in 2014 is different than the grip he's used the past two seasons. Perhaps a change back to that would be better for him?

[burlingtonbandit]

His command was the biggest issue not pitch selection or whatever BS some people keep saying. Simply he was falling behind in the count so often so he had to throw his fastball a lot to get back into the count. You aren't going to throw 2-0 sliders for strikes.

 

When he was ahead in the count he used his breaking ball so lets not go all crazy. Whats with the personal attacks on him anyway. Guy has a ton of passion and shows it, you should embrace someone like that. Not be sound like some loser on the Fan590 and say he should play the game the "white way"

[Jimcanuck]

Am I alone in thinking there may be physical reasons for Stro's approach?

[BTS]

Am I alone in thinking there may be physical reasons for Stro's approach?

 

I've thought before that he might shy aware from his 4SM fastball because he's concerned about all three of a) the pitch's lack of movement, the lack of downward plane because of his height, and c) the decline in velo. We don't really know that it wouldn't get hit hard if he started using it often.