JA Happ Signing: Good/Bad?

[L54]

Steamer has adjusted Zimmermann's projection post-signing: 4.07 FIP and 2.5 fWAR in 200 IP, with his K-rate dropping to 6.67/9.

 

Our resident accountant will be pleased.

[Frenchsoup]

If he starts 30 times he will face about 120 dh's vs 80-100 pitchers

 

 

Edit: might be less pitchers actually

[G-Snarls]

If he starts 30 times he will face about 120 dh's vs 80-100 pitchers

 

 

Edit: might be less pitchers actually

 

Yeah, it's probably a lot less since they always bat 9th instead of top 5 like most DH's, getting a lot fewer PA's because of that alone, and of course they get pinch hit for so much later in games

[Praxis]

My first reaction after hearing about this signing was disappointment, anger and some resentment. Emotionally I felt that we had hired a GM/President with a small market mentality making second rate moves that would be welcomed by parsiminious owners who had let down the fans again.

 

After calming down and giving it some thought however, I'm really pretty pleased with the signing. It has cost us nothing but money in compensation, it has made me feel a bit better about the Michael Saunders fiasco and most importantly Happ can be a significant part of a starting lineup that everyone was worried about when the season ended. We have gone from Stroman and Dickey to who-the-bloody-hell-knows, to Stroman, Dickey, Happ and Estrada and who-the-bloody-hell-knows with some flexibility remaining on the payroll. That's good business by anybody's standards.

[Brownie19]

My first reaction after hearing about this signing was disappointment, anger and some resentment. Emotionally I felt that we had hired a GM/President with a small market mentality making second rate moves that would be welcomed by parsiminious owners who had let down the fans again.

 

After calming down and giving it some thought however, I'm really pretty pleased with the signing. It has cost us nothing but money in compensation, it has made me feel a bit better about the Michael Saunders fiasco and most importantly Happ can be a significant part of a starting lineup that everyone was worried about when the season ended. We have gone from Stroman and Dickey to who-the-bloody-hell-knows, to Stroman, Dickey, Happ and Estrada and who-the-bloody-hell-knows with some flexibility remaining on the payroll. That's good business by anybody's standards.

 

+ Chavez and Hutch.

[Boxcar]

Wasn't he at 2.8 fWAR pre-trade? A half-win projected drop from 2015 is pretty reasonable given that he's 30 next year.

 

Thought it was at 3. A-Fag wrote an article on the contract (saying it was very fair) and he started 2016 @ 3 WAR.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/tigers-sign-perfectly-fine-zimmermann-to-perfectly-fine-deal/

 

E: That aging curve is far too gentle, though. Man, a lot has to go right for that contract to work out in the Tigers' favour. Lol @ Detroit.

[Cyborg]

Thought it was at 3. A-Fag wrote an article on the contract (saying it was very fair) and he started 2016 @ 3 WAR.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/tigers-sign-perfectly-fine-zimmermann-to-perfectly-fine-deal/

 

E: That aging curve is far too gentle, though. Man, a lot has to go right for that contract to work out in the Tigers' favour. Lol @ Detroit.

Better to use his RA9-WAR of 3.4 that encapsulates his elite D.

[Boxcar]

Better to use his RA9-WAR of 3.4 that encapsulates his elite D.

 

no stfu

[GD]

Cyborg loves elite D

[TRM]

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[GD]

Cyborg loves the D

 

thanks tips

[Laika]

Cyborg loves elite D

 

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[Maico450]

When I first saw this deal for Happ, I thought OK, we can use a #5 starter and win a good number of games with the offence in the current lineup. Happ keeps the team in the game more often than not.

Since then, I have come to think that Happ will improve simply because of how good our team Defence is now.

Happ had a career era of 4.12 as a SP. Which is slightly better than average.

Assuming that the great team defence could save half a run each game, we could be looking at 3.60 era from Happ.

Now combine that with MLB top scoring offence, we should see a ton of wins in games he starts.

Last year Happ pitched 7 innings 7 times, and 6+ innings 11 times. He has continued to keep his team in the game.

Happ is not David Price, but he could turnout to be a 15 to 16 game winner next year.

[BigRed]

My first reaction after hearing about this signing was disappointment, anger and some resentment. Emotionally I felt that we had hired a GM/President with a small market mentality making second rate moves that would be welcomed by parsiminious owners who had let down the fans again.

 

After calming down and giving it some thought however, I'm really pretty pleased with the signing. It has cost us nothing but money in compensation, it has made me feel a bit better about the Michael Saunders fiasco and most importantly Happ can be a significant part of a starting lineup that everyone was worried about when the season ended. We have gone from Stroman and Dickey to who-the-bloody-hell-knows, to Stroman, Dickey, Happ and Estrada and who-the-bloody-hell-knows with some flexibility remaining on the payroll. That's good business by anybody's standards.

 

Why do people keep saying this junk? Give your head a shake. Is it because they aren't spending Dodger or Yankee money?

 

Go look at the payroll in 2011. It was freaking 64.5M. It's over double that going into 2016. They are in the top 1/3 of the league in spending.

[Brownie19]

Why do people keep saying this junk? Give your head a shake. Is it because they aren't spending Dodger or Yankee money?

 

Go look at the payroll in 2011. It was freaking 64.5M. It's over double that going into 2016. They are in the top 1/3 of the league in spending.

 

It's because people are the worst.

[DerangedIdoit]

When I first saw this deal for Happ, I thought OK, we can use a #5 starter and win a good number of games with the offence in the current lineup. Happ keeps the team in the game more often than not.

Since then, I have come to think that Happ will improve simply because of how good our team Defence is now.

Happ had a career era of 4.12 as a SP. Which is slightly better than average.

Assuming that the great team defence could save half a run each game, we could be looking at 3.60 era from Happ.

Now combine that with MLB top scoring offence, we should see a ton of wins in games he starts.

Last year Happ pitched 7 innings 7 times, and 6+ innings 11 times. He has continued to keep his team in the game.

Happ is not David Price, but he could turnout to be a 15 to 16 game winner next year.

 

If Happ has a 3.80 ERA I will be happy

[JFD]

Why do people keep saying this junk? Give your head a shake. Is it because they aren't spending Dodger or Yankee money?

 

Go look at the payroll in 2011. It was freaking 64.5M. It's over double that going into 2016. They are in the top 1/3 of the league in spending.

 

top 5 payroll when you consider the Canadian dollar is s***.

[art_vandelay275]

interesting interview with searage on the tweaks he made with Happ while in Pitt; what little i've heard from walker, i can never imagine this coming from him...

 

actual interview starts at about the 27min mark

 

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/at_the_letters/atl_20151201_135500--At-The-Letters---December-1st.mp3?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=

[Ziggyy108]

interesting interview with searage on the tweaks he made with Happ while in Pitt; what little i've heard from walker, i can never imagine this coming from him...

 

actual interview starts at about the 27min mark

 

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/at_the_letters/atl_20151201_135500--At-The-Letters---December-1st.mp3?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=

 

 

If these "tweaks" really have drastically help Haap improve then why didn't the Pirates give him this contract. Would seem like a no brainer for them especially if they believed in themselves and the changes they helped Happ make.

[Spanky99]

If these "tweaks" really have drastically help Haap improve then why didn't the Pirates give him this contract. Would seem like a no brainer for them especially if they believed in themselves and the changes they helped Happ make.

 

Money, Jameson Taillon and Tyler Glasnow.

[Praxis]

Why do people keep saying this junk? Give your head a shake. Is it because they aren't spending Dodger or Yankee money?

 

Go look at the payroll in 2011. It was freaking 64.5M. It's over double that going into 2016. They are in the top 1/3 of the league in spending.

 

Did you even read my entire post? I said I had an initial emotional reaction after remembering the days of passing the hat around to try and sign Ervin Santana for 1 year last offseason, or failing to add a single player after leading the wild card by 3 games on July 31st last year.

 

However I then calmed down and realized that this was actually a smart bit of business and I agreed with it. I still do, even after Price has signed with Boston for $4 billion over 89 years (roughly).

Edited December 2, 2015 by Praxis

[ElNik2013]

Did you even read my entire post? I said I had an initial emotional reaction after remembering the days of passing the hat around to try and sign Ervin Santana for 1 year last offseason, or failing to add a single player after leading the wild card by 3 games on July 31st last year.

 

However I then calmed down and realized that this was actually a smart bit of business and I agreed with it. I still do, even after Price has signed with Boston for $4 billion over 89 years (roughly).

 

 

The hat was passed during the 2013 off season. Last off season, the F/O did a good job of improving the team without spending more.

[saskjayfan]

top 5 payroll when you consider the Canadian dollar is s***.

 

 

31% of all revenue of all teams is pooled together and divided up evenly. On top of this MLBs Central revenue fund(acquired from things like national broadcasts) is disproportionately distributed with lower revenue teams getting a bigger slice of the pie. These are all US dollars.

[Praxis]

The hat was passed during the 2013 off season. Last off season, the F/O did a good job of improving the team without spending more.

 

Sorry bud but this article seems to say you're incorrect. I think the confusion may be that we were discussing things with Santana in 2013 but for the 2014 season?

 

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2014/03/12/ervin_santana_passes_on_challenge_of_al_east_with_blue_jays_to_sign_with_braves_griffin.html

[SAAviour]

Any of the 26 Bad votes want to redo their choice seeing what free agent pitching is going for?

I'd take Happ for 3/36 over Shark 5/90 easy. Both have massive question marks.

[SAAviour]

Having said that, I should say I think Shark will rebound in San Fran.

[tpurewal97]

Any of the 26 Bad votes want to redo their choice seeing what free agent pitching is going for?

I'd take Happ for 3/36 over Shark 5/90 easy. Both have massive question marks.

 

I'd take Shark , simply because he's a proven #2 , 5/90 could turn out as a steal if he rebounds. A 1-2 punch of Stro/Shark followed by Estrada as a reliable #3 and we have ourselves a rotation that can compete for a championship with the offense we have.

[burlingtonbandit]

Jays should try to give Ray Searage 5-10 million to come to Toronto. He's had huge success with Happ, Liriano, Burnett to name a few.

[Boxcar]

I'd take Shark , simply because he's a proven #2 , 5/90 could turn out as a steal if he rebounds. A 1-2 punch of Stro/Shark followed by Estrada as a reliable #3 and we have ourselves a rotation that can compete for a championship with the offense we have.

 

So he's proven but you're depending on a rebound.

[tpurewal97]

So he's proven but you're depending on a rebound.

 

He had one bad season , I'm expecting him to be a lot better then he was last season.